The 4 Horseman of The Apocalypse are all Man Made Disasters

[The Original Tree]

They lived through that in the first century.

Sure, whatever you say Lucifer.

 

[norwegen]

Uniquely interesting among these horsemen is the white horse on which Christ presumably sat (Rv 6:2). Textual and historical context, however, should inform us that this horse, in fact, did not carry Jesus. In chapter 19 we read of a rider on a white horse waging war in righteousness (19:11-12). This is unquestionably the victorious Christ. Can the rider of the white horse in chapter 6 also represent Christ? In chapter 19, the rider is called Faithful and True, and he is accompanied by his armies, also riding white horses. In chapter 6, the rider on the white horse has no such designation, and he is accompanied not by righteous armies but by other horsemen who deliver to the land woe upon woe. Even to a layman, a horseman who is supposed to represent righteousness, faith, and truth must seem out of place among three horsemen who represent bloodshed, famine, and pestilence.

William Barclay compares these four horsemen to the four chariots pulled by four teams of horses of Zechariah 6 that represent God’s judgment. The white horses in Zechariah 6 and Revelation 6, like all the horses in those chapters, paint not a picture of the victorious Christ but of the terrors of the wrath of God. These horses were the victorious foreign powers that God used for His purposes. In Zechariah, that power referred to Israel’s foes in the north and in the south (v 6) – that is, Babylon, Assyria, and Persia to the north, and Egypt to the south. In Revelation, that victorious foreign power was Rome. The white horse merely represents conquest in combat, as Revelation 6:2 implies. Bloodshed, famine, and disease reign supreme in the Great Revolt, perpetrated more on the Jews than on the Romans. The Romans emerged victorious, and when a Roman general celebrated victory, he paraded through the streets of the Imperial City with his armies, captives, and spoils while drawn in his chariot by white horses.

In summary, the horses and their riders represent the war between the Romans and the Jews as well as the civil war in Judea among the Jews themselves. The horsemen connote the triumph of the victorious Romans and the misery of the defeated Judeans.

The white horse signifies victory for the Roman armies who came to conquer Judea. Rome defeated her adversary, and so wore the crown.

The red horse signifies bloodshed, its rider instigating the war in which Jewish combatants died by the sword. The horseman’s sword is an instrument of persecution and self-defeat that exacerbated the ability of the Jews to engage in commerce and sustain themselves.

The black horse signifies distress. Its rider carried a scale for rationing provisions, as scarcity debilitated the livelihood of Jerusalem’s inhabitants. Wheat and barley were at famine prices. A denarius, the daily wage of a laboring man, sufficed to buy a single measure of wheat or three times that quantity of inferior grain.

Josephus provides an explanation of the Revelator’s note about the oil and wine of the third seal, or the black horse. John of Giscala, one of the tyrannical Jewish leaders, committed an unthinkable act of sacrilege and waste with these sacred vessels of the temple:

[John] said to those that were with him, that it was proper for them to use divine things while they were fighting for the Divinity, without fear, and that such whose warfare is for the temple, should live of the temple, on which account he emptied the vessels of that sacred wine and oil, which the priests kept to be poured on the burnt offerings, and which lay in the inner court of the temple, and distributed it among the multitude, who, in their anointing themselves and drinking, used [each of them] above an hin of them: and here I cannot but speak my mind, and what the concern I am under dictates to me, and it is this: I suppose, that had the Romans made any longer delay in coming against these villains, the city would either have been swallowed up by the ground opening upon them, or been overflowed by water, or else been destroyed by such thunder as the country of Sodom perished by, for it had brought forth a generation of men much more atheistical than were those that suffered such punishments; for by their madness it was that all the people came to be destroyed (Wars 5.13.6).​

Lastly, the pale horse signifies death, and with it came hades. These partners in the grim task of annihilation wreaked finality to large segments of the population (a fourth of the land, as the Revelator relates it) by whatever means—combat, starvation, disease.

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Revelation 6 - Barclay's Daily Study Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[JustAGuy1]

Sure, whatever you say Lucifer.

She actually implied Jesus lied about Daniel being a Prophet.

 

[Cougarbear]

They lived through that in the first century.

Just more garbage from Surada. John possibly wrote Revelation at the end of the 1st century. So, no. This has nothing to do with his time period. It's future prophecy that coincides with Zechariah, Isaiah and other prophecies. There was no parting of the mount of Olives in the 1st century. The Lord did not stand in the middle of the parted valley. (Zechariah). There was no sealed book revealed in the 1st century (Isaiah 29). I could go on and on...

 

[surada]

Just more garbage from Surada. John possibly wrote Revelation at the end of the 1st century. So, no. This has nothing to do with his time period. It's future prophecy that coincides with Zechariah, Isaiah and other prophecies. There was no parting of the mount of Olives in the 1st century. The Lord did not stand in the middle of the parted valley. (Zechariah). There was no sealed book revealed in the 1st century (Isaiah 29). I could go on and on...

norwegen

Isaiah was all about Israel. Zechariah was writing about the restoration of Jerusalem after the return from the Babylonian exile. Christians changed things to strengthen their case just like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses changed things.

 

[JustAGuy1]

norwegen

Isaiah was all about Israel. Zechariah was writing about the restoration of Jerusalem after the return from the Babylonian exile. Christians changed things to strengthen their case just like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses changed things.

You are just a font bull Shyte aren't you.

 

[surada]

You are just a font bull Shyte aren't you.

Don't you ever read the Bible?

 

[sparky]

Discuss the possibilities of The Four Horseman of The Apocalypse curses being all man made orchestrated disasters.

~S~

 

[surada]

Before the Dispensationists most scholars thought that Zechariah 14 was fulfilled in the Maccabean wars. The Seleucid army was made up of Gentiles from many nations.

Zechariah 14 Fulfilled: A Preterist Commentary | Revelation Revolution

www.revelationrevolution.org

 

[norwegen]

norwegen

Isaiah was all about Israel. Zechariah was writing about the restoration of Jerusalem after the return from the Babylonian exile. Christians changed things to strengthen their case just like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses changed things.

Yes, Zechariah is about post-Babylon Israel, while under Persian authority. It also touches on Israel's anticipation of a Davidic king, and so is often quoted in the New Testament.

It says nothing about anything beyond the Messiah's coming.

 

[surada]

Yes, Zechariah is about post-Babylon Israel, while under Persian authority. It also touches on Israel's anticipation of a Davidic king, and so is often quoted in the New Testament.

It says nothing about anything beyond the Messiah's coming.

I looked for and read a Jewish commentary on Zechariah 14. Its much closer to the traditional interpretation before the Dispensationists.

 

[Cougarbear]

norwegen

Isaiah was all about Israel. Zechariah was writing about the restoration of Jerusalem after the return from the Babylonian exile. Christians changed things to strengthen their case just like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses changed things.

Babylonian exile was 587 BC. So, you are continually delusional with your comments. Again, the Mt. of Olives did not divide up into four parts with the Lord Jesus Christ standing in the middle stopping the enemies of Israel. Therefore, Christians didn't change a thing. You are making the changes. You haven't answered my challenge about the Mt. of Olives. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned the Lord being born of a virgin and the government of Heaven is on His shoulders. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned a book in the future that would come forth out of the ground by an unlearned person that would be a marvelous book and a wonder that would have the everlasting gospel of truth. Where is it if it isn't the Book of Mormon brought forth by an unlearned young man, Joseph Smith? Where's your book you say it is? And, who delivered it? The same book Ezekiel envisioned as the Book of Joseph? Where is it Surada?

 

[The Original Tree]

She actually implied Jesus lied about Daniel being a Prophet.

She-It is what Islam calls 'makr' which interestingly enough is what allah is also called.
"makr" means deceiver.

 

[The Original Tree]

Babylonian exile was 587 BC. So, you are continually delusional with your comments. Again, the Mt. of Olives did not divide up into four parts with the Lord Jesus Christ standing in the middle stopping the enemies of Israel. Therefore, Christians didn't change a thing. You are making the changes. You haven't answered my challenge about the Mt. of Olives. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned the Lord being born of a virgin and the government of Heaven is on His shoulders. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned a book in the future that would come forth out of the ground by an unlearned person that would be a marvelous book and a wonder that would have the everlasting gospel of truth. Where is it if it isn't the Book of Mormon brought forth by an unlearned young man, Joseph Smith? Where's your book you say it is? And, who delivered it? The same book Ezekiel envisioned as the Book of Joseph? Where is it Surada?

The book of Revelation declares that it is the FINAL Revelation of Christ until Christ returns. Any book written afterwards claiming to be scripture is a Fraud and anyone writing such a book will be subject to everlasting punishment.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Don't you ever read the Bible?

Obviously more than you do, you don't a thing about it.

 

[surada]

She-It is what Islam calls 'makr' which interestingly enough is what allah is also called.
"makr" means deceiver.

That's nonsense. I never heard of such a thing.

 

[surada]

Babylonian exile was 587 BC. So, you are continually delusional with your comments. Again, the Mt. of Olives did not divide up into four parts with the Lord Jesus Christ standing in the middle stopping the enemies of Israel. Therefore, Christians didn't change a thing. You are making the changes. You haven't answered my challenge about the Mt. of Olives. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned the Lord being born of a virgin and the government of Heaven is on His shoulders. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned a book in the future that would come forth out of the ground by an unlearned person that would be a marvelous book and a wonder that would have the everlasting gospel of truth. Where is it if it isn't the Book of Mormon brought forth by an unlearned young man, Joseph Smith? Where's your book you say it is? And, who delivered it? The same book Ezekiel envisioned as the Book of Joseph? Where is it Surada?

You should read Isaiah. It's about Israel, God's suffering servant.

 

[surada]

Babylonian exile was 587 BC. So, you are continually delusional with your comments. Again, the Mt. of Olives did not divide up into four parts with the Lord Jesus Christ standing in the middle stopping the enemies of Israel. Therefore, Christians didn't change a thing. You are making the changes. You haven't answered my challenge about the Mt. of Olives. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned the Lord being born of a virgin and the government of Heaven is on His shoulders. You haven't answered the challenge that Isaiah envisioned a book in the future that would come forth out of the ground by an unlearned person that would be a marvelous book and a wonder that would have the everlasting gospel of truth. Where is it if it isn't the Book of Mormon brought forth by an unlearned young man, Joseph Smith? Where's your book you say it is? And, who delivered it? The same book Ezekiel envisioned as the Book of Joseph? Where is it Surada?

Ezekiel | Hebrew prophet

Ezekiel, also spelled Ezechiel, Hebrew Yeḥezqel, (flourished 6th century bc), prophet-priest of ancient Israel and the subject and in part the author of an Old Testament book that bears his name. Ezekiel’s early oracles (from c. 592) in Jerusalem were pronouncements of violence and...

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[Cougarbear]

The book of Revelation declares that it is the FINAL Revelation of Christ until Christ returns. Any book written afterwards claiming to be scripture is a Fraud and anyone writing such a book will be subject to everlasting punishment.

Except other writings of John came after Revelation. Also, the Lord said the same thing in Deuteronomy. So, everything after Moses's 5 books is fraud? That would include the New Testament with Revelation as well. Oops! "Stupid is as stupid does."
So, let me enlighten you. Revelation 22:19, "And if any man shall take away from the words of THIS prophecy, God shall take away......" The clarification of this is in verse 18, "For i testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy OF THIS BOOK, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written IN THIS BOOK." The Book of Revelation, Einstein...Same is in Deuteronomy.

 

[surada]

She actually implied Jesus lied about Daniel being a Prophet.

You do know that Antiochus IV Epiphanies defiled the temple. He made it an abomination of desolation.

"The Virgin Shall Conceive": Why Isaiah 7:14 Confuses People - Jean E. Jones

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