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I estimate 1/7th of believers alive at the first rapture will be raptured alive because only one of the 7 churches was an overcomer church.I'm a lowly sinner saved by the grace of God. Pride is in all of us, no doubt but you still need to please answer my ? on the purpose of the trib. And I can show you why no Christian today (who is a living Believer today, before the rapture CANNOT be here for the trib.)
I estimate 1/7th of believers alive at the first rapture will be raptured alive because only one of the 7 churches was an overcomer church.I'm a lowly sinner saved by the grace of God. Pride is in all of us, no doubt but you still need to please answer my ? on the purpose of the trib. And I can show you why no Christian today (who is a living Believer today, before the rapture CANNOT be here for the trib.)
I estimate 1/7th of believers alive at the first rapture will be raptured alive because only one of the 7 churches was an overcomer church.I'm a lowly sinner saved by the grace of God. Pride is in all of us, no doubt but you still need to please answer my ? on the purpose of the trib. And I can show you why no Christian today (who is a living Believer today, before the rapture CANNOT be here for the trib.)
The Apostles and Elders are for today's church, so why are you so hostile to them? Eph. 4.11 is for today.
In the questions I gave you I already confessed Jesus as Lord and Savior, so you are being childish asking me again and again.
You have so much hostility why should Christian think you are saved with such a hostile spirit?
You also misuse the term Church, but the Church is not a website, but a locality of believers. Yet you agreed in those questions to that proper definition, but don't apply it in practice.
Don't be weird.
Anyone in the Church is saved. The Church is the assembly of the body of Christ per locality.I estimate 1/7th of believers alive at the first rapture will be raptured alive because only one of the 7 churches was an overcomer church.I'm a lowly sinner saved by the grace of God. Pride is in all of us, no doubt but you still need to please answer my ? on the purpose of the trib. And I can show you why no Christian today (who is a living Believer today, before the rapture CANNOT be here for the trib.)
the other 6 churches were not saved at all. the 1 church was true believers.
There is much overcoming to do once one gets saved. It is not as though you are never selfish again and never sin again. I never said salvation is conditional on readiness. I said the first rapture is conditional on readiness. What that means is you have a lot to overcome, but pridefully you don't think you do.When we get saved we are as ready as we will ever be. Salvation isn't conditional on readiness; whatever that means.
Please answer my two questions Parture
1. when were you saved?
Teddy is not a Christian because he says a Christian needs to be saved by a universalist.
Teddy is not a Christian because he says a Christian needs to be saved by a universalist.
Putting words into my mouth again? No. You are the seed of the great deceiver. I truly see you fro what you are here. You play with us and then twist our words to your design and then (try) to cast us all into your Hell.
Get thee hence Satan.
How do I know teddyearp (also at usmessageboard.com) is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [speaking of a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?
I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?
Are Universalists Christians
I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?
Are Apostles for Today?Teddy is not a Christian because he says a Christian needs to be saved by a universalist.
Putting words into my mouth again? No. You are the seed of the great deceiver. I truly see you fro what you are here. You play with us and then twist our words to your design and then (try) to cast us all into your Hell.
Get thee hence Satan.
How do I know teddyearp (also at usmessageboard.com) is not a Christian? He said to the universalist emilynghiem that "he [speaking of a Christian] is beyond your energy to try to save." Where in Christianity do universalists, who are not Christians, have the power or energy to save someone? Universalists are going to Hell. Christians are already saved. Why do we need to get saved by universalists?
I didn't even need to know teddy's doctrinal errors, because he has had nothing but hostility. What Christian would act that way towards a Christian? None would. This shows the hostility stemming from teddy is moved by the evil spirit in his spirit whom he follows. He rejects the Apostles and Elders for the Church. He redefines the term Church to a website rather than it being a locality of believers. The Apostles and Elders are for today. The Apostles work regionally to appoint Elders of a church locality. That's how it was done in the Bible, so why so hostile?
Are Universalists Christians
there are no apostles today, only elders.
The Apostles never left. Often they are called Missionaries today, but they are really Apostles though when Apostle goes to a region of churches, say the churches of Pakistan or the churches of Alaska, they should stay there. Why leave?
The Apostles never left. Often they are called Missionaries today, but they are really Apostles though when Apostle goes to a region of churches, say the churches of Pakistan or the churches of Alaska, they should stay there. Why leave?
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers" (Eph. 4.11).
Nowhere have these workers for the Church ended.
lol.....thank God you aren't God.....Calvinists and amillennialists are not saved. They still have time to give their lives to Christ before they die, but they would have to repent of Calvinism and amillennialism before being able to come to Christ.you said Calvinists could not be saved......thus you were specifically referring to me...I am both Calvinist and amillennial......you have said I cannot be saved and you have said I am saved.....you are obviously confused.....I actually wasn't responding to you; I was responding to that guy with a turban over his head. But if you believe Jesus is God, resurrected the 3rd day to save us from our sins that whoever believeth Him will not perish but have everlasting life, and you are not Calvinist, amillennial, nor non-OSAS they I have nothing against you.please make up your mind.....now you have told me I am not saved and that I am saved.....I'm glad God doesn't have that much trouble making up his mind......he knew it before I did.......If you accept Jesus then you are saved.therein lies my quandary.......I believe I have already been saved, but you have just told me I am not......
/shrugs....and millenialists will probably be saved as well....even if they think they aren't going back to heaven with Jesus when he gets here.....Calvinists and amillennialists are not saved. They still have time to give their lives to Christ before they die, but they would have to repent of Calvinism and amillennialism before being able to come to Christ.you said Calvinists could not be saved......thus you were specifically referring to me...I am both Calvinist and amillennial......you have said I cannot be saved and you have said I am saved.....you are obviously confused.....I actually wasn't responding to you; I was responding to that guy with a turban over his head. But if you believe Jesus is God, resurrected the 3rd day to save us from our sins that whoever believeth Him will not perish but have everlasting life, and you are not Calvinist, amillennial, nor non-OSAS they I have nothing against you.please make up your mind.....now you have told me I am not saved and that I am saved.....I'm glad God doesn't have that much trouble making up his mind......he knew it before I did.......If you accept Jesus then you are saved.
There are all kinds of Christians who are saved despite the teachings of their church. Calvinists are saved if they believe Jesus died for them, rose the 3rd day and is coming back in Glory. If they believe Jesus is their Lord and Savior they are saved, period. All these side issues are NOT SALVATION ISSUES.