The Decline Of Unions

[Deadstick]

That's because the UK isn't completely socialist yet.

Socialist countries control the means of production.

That means they control YOU.

No they don't, as usual you confuse Socialism with Communism.

 

[Deadstick]

Indeed. Post WWII the USA had hundreds of steamship companies.

Then, the merchant marine unions got powerful and one by one they killed them all off but one. Mattson is still US flagged because it's a requirement of Military Sealift Command.

All the rest....gone. Victims of the greed of the unions.

Killed them off how by asking them for good pay and conditions?

 

[westwall]

Killed them off how by asking them for good pay and conditions?

Yes, they priced themselves, and had so many work rules that the companies couldn't compete with foreign companies.

 

[Deadstick]

Yes, they priced themselves, and had so many work rules that the companies couldn't compete with foreign companies.

So a race to the bottom, work rules like health and safety and paying third world wages, without Unions you end up with a Regime like Pinochet in Chile trade Unionists were murdered.

 

[westwall]

So a race to the bottom, work rules like health and safety and paying third world wages, without Unions you end up with a Regime like Pinochet in Chile trade Unionists were murdered.

No, work rules that allowed almost 15% of the work force to sit around and do nothing.

The trucking industry was the same. My father was a truck driver, and a devout Teamster.

Till the union work rules, that allowed over 20% of the workforce to sit on their ass, killed his company. He was retired by the time that ot happened, but the result was the same. A good, midsized trucking company driven into bankruptcy.

 

[Deadstick]

No, work rules that allowed almost 15% of the work force to sit around and do nothing.

The trucking industry was the same. My father was a truck driver, and a devout Teamster.

Till the union work rules, that allowed over 20% of the workforce to sit on their ass, killed his company. He was retired by the time that ot happened, but the result was the same. A good, midsized trucking company driven into bankruptcy.

Why would there be a rule to allow drivers to sit around are you talking about zero hours contracts?

 

[westwall]

Why would there be a rule to allow drivers to sit around are you talking about zero hours contracts?

Because the union bosses had friends they took care of. A unionized shop caters to the friends of the union bosses. Have a worker that sucks, the union protects them. Have a worker that is outstanding? The union won't allow that worker to be promoted, or get a wage increase unless everyone gets one. So, productivity drops.

There are a host of work rules related problems that are not just harmful to the employers, but are harmful to good employee's as well.