The Quran is Hate Speech

[Sunni Man]

Christians do not live under the law or the 10 commandments. Jesus told us that all the commandements were summed up in one commandment. Do you know what jesus said that commandment was?

Again, Jack Fate,

As a Christian do you believe in the Ten Commandments?

As a Christian do you live according to the Ten Commandments?

A simple Yes or No would be nice.

You're confused. I'll try to explain it as simple as I can. The NT states that the law and the commandments were nailed to the cross with Jesus who took all our sins. All of our sins were judged on the cross. Jesus died for every sinner and that means you. I died when Jesus died. By having my faith in Jesus and his ressurection, I am free. No one has to try to live a perfect life to find eternal life. We still make mistakes and we still sin, but the penalty for sin was put on Jesus. That is bible teaching. You can accept that or not. It's your choice.

Here, I will narrow it down to just 1 question instead of 2

Yes or No

Do you Jack Fate "Believe" in the Ten Commandments???

(btw just about every Church seems to have a copy of them hanging on the wall or carved into their building)
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[Toro]

Where's the hate from Jack Fate?

Typical of the left, if they disagree with actual facts, it is deemed "hate speech". When there is no defense for the horrid acts committed by Muslims, they simple label it as hate in order to shut down debate. Notice there was no refutation of any facts presented. How can you defend the violence. I am sure the "but Christians did ...." will come in to play as it always does.

That sums it up perfectly. Don't forget that someone else will likely be along shortly to label anyone concerned about Islam an Islamophobe.

Well, first of all, I'm not of the left.

Second, I didn't say the OP was hate speech. I just merely wondered aloud who hates more, Jack Fate or Freeman? There is a pattern for both of them. Freeman is continuously denigrating Judaism and Jack Fate is continuously denigrating Islam. Both grossly distort each religion to advance their own religious ideology. See, I don't much like people who deliberately sow divisions based on garbage stereotypes and misperceptions, whether its blacks, or Jews, or homosexuals or Muslims or Christians or white people or Americans. And I've gone after Freeman much harder than I have Jack Fate.

Finally, I loathe hypocrisy, and Jack Fate and all the so-called Christians who explain away the OT and all its brutality while criticizing other religions are hypocritical apologists.

 

[Toro]

Again, Jack Fate,

As a Christian do you believe in the Ten Commandments?

As a Christian do you live according to the Ten Commandments?

A simple Yes or No would be nice.

You're confused. I'll try to explain it as simple as I can. The NT states that the law and the commandments were nailed to the cross with Jesus who took all our sins. All of our sins were judged on the cross. Jesus died for every sinner and that means you. I died when Jesus died. By having my faith in Jesus and his ressurection, I am free. No one has to try to live a perfect life to find eternal life. We still make mistakes and we still sin, but the penalty for sin was put on Jesus. That is bible teaching. You can accept that or not. It's your choice.

Here, I will narrow it down to just 1 question instead of 2

Yes or No

Do you Jack Fate "Believe" in the Ten Commandments???

(btw just about every Church seems to have a copy of them hanging on the wall or carved into their building)
__________________

I doubt he'll answer. He usually dodges.

Jesus said we should follow the Scriptures, i.e. the books of the Old Testament and live by the Ten Commandments.

Its also worth asking if the Bible is the literal word of God, why are all these awful things in the Old Testament in the first place? If the OT is to be ignored for the central message of Jesus, as Jack Fate is implying, why are all the books of the OT in the Bible?

 

[Sunni Man]

Jackie Boy seems to be a make it up as you go Christian.

 

[logical4u]

So you are saying the Christians don't believe in or live by the Ten Commandments that a found in the Old Testaments?

I said Christians live by the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles in the epistles of the New Testament.

This is real simple Jack Fate.

As a Christian do you believe in the Ten Commandments?

As a Christion do you live according to the Ten Commandments?

Sunni

Do you believe that the Lord switched His chosen people to the descendents of Ismael and deserted the descendents of Issac?

 

[logical4u]

Typical of the left, if they disagree with actual facts, it is deemed "hate speech". When there is no defense for the horrid acts committed by Muslims, they simple label it as hate in order to shut down debate. Notice there was no refutation of any facts presented. How can you defend the violence. I am sure the "but Christians did ...." will come in to play as it always does.

That sums it up perfectly. Don't forget that someone else will likely be along shortly to label anyone concerned about Islam an Islamophobe.

Well, first of all, I'm not of the left.

Second, I didn't say the OP was hate speech. I just merely wondered aloud who hates more, Jack Fate or Freeman? There is a pattern for both of them. Freeman is continuously denigrating Judaism and Jack Fate is continuously denigrating Islam. Both grossly distort each religion to advance their own religious ideology. See, I don't much like people who deliberately sow divisions based on garbage stereotypes and misperceptions, whether its blacks, or Jews, or homosexuals or Muslims or Christians or white people or Americans. And I've gone after Freeman much harder than I have Jack Fate.

Finally, I loathe hypocrisy, and Jack Fate and all the so-called Christians who explain away the OT and all its brutality while criticizing other religions are hypocritical apologists.

Hypocrisy: someone that is focused on the OTs lessons over two thousand years (plus), after it was written and condemning it while ignoring the Quarn's lessons that are WORSE, that are still being done today, not two thousand years (plus) ago.

 

[Sunni Man]

Sunni

Do you believe that the Lord switched His chosen people to the descendents of Ismael and deserted the descendents of Issac?

No muslim believes that they are now the "Chosen People"

The Quran refers only to the Jews as the "Chosen People" of God

Although, thru disobediance the Jews lost the chosen people status.

It was never transfered to any other group or nation.

In Islam, ALL people are equal in the sight of God

 

[logical4u]

Sunni

Do you believe that the Lord switched His chosen people to the descendents of Ismael and deserted the descendents of Issac?

No muslim believes that they are now the "Chosen People"

The Quran refers only to the Jews as the "Chosen People" of God

Although, thru disobediance the Jews lost the chosen people status.

It was never transfered to any other group or nation.

In Islam, ALL people are equal in the sight of God

"When" did the Hebrews loose the 'chosen people status'?

 

[Sunni Man]

"When" did the Hebrews loose the 'chosen people status'?

Although the Quran refers to the Jews as historically the "Chosen People".

They seem to have lost that status during the Prophethood od Muhammad.

 

[logical4u]

"When" did the Hebrews loose the 'chosen people status'?

Although the Quran refers to the Jews as historically the "Chosen People".

They seem to have lost that status during the Prophethood od Muhammad.

Did the Lord travel with Mohammed as a pillar of fire?

 

[Sunni Man]

Most Christians today believe that the Jews are still the Chosen People.

But because of this verse in the New Testament:

Romans 11:17-22 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith.


Now they as Gentiles (Christians) are now grafted into the tree of Israel.

And share the Chosen People status with the Jews.

 

[logical4u]

Most Christians today believe that the Jews are still the Chosen People.

But because of this verse in the New Testament:

Romans 11:17-22 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith.


Now they as Gentiles (Christians) are now grafted into the tree of Israel.

And share the Chosen People status with the Jews.

Did the Lord travel with Mohammed, visibly?

 

[Sunni Man]

"When" did the Hebrews loose the 'chosen people status'?

Although the Quran refers to the Jews as historically the "Chosen People".

They seem to have lost that status during the Prophethood od Muhammad.

Did the Lord travel with Mohammed as a pillar of fire?

Look, logical4u, I have been down this road with you before.

You ask a bunch of questions.

But in reality, have some sort of agenda that you want to hit me with.

Either tell me what you really want to say/ask.

Or just use Google and look up the answers to your questions yourself.

 

[Toro]

Hypocrisy: someone that is focused on the OTs lessons over two thousand years (plus), after it was written and condemning it while ignoring the Quarn's lessons that are WORSE, that are still being done today, not two thousand years (plus) ago.

I condemn all forms of violence and discrimination in all Holy books. Is the Koran worse than the Bible? Maybe. I think Christianity is better than Islam because I'm a Christian. But that's not the point. The point is these sanctimonious holy rollers who are quick to condemn parts of one religion as being indicative of the entire religion while being apologists for the same shit in their own religion. And I don't give a rat's ass what the religion is. Its just that here on USMB, 99% of it is directed by Christians towards others.

 

[logical4u]

Hypocrisy: someone that is focused on the OTs lessons over two thousand years (plus), after it was written and condemning it while ignoring the Quarn's lessons that are WORSE, that are still being done today, not two thousand years (plus) ago.

I condemn all forms of violence and discrimination in all Holy books. Is the Koran worse than the Bible? Maybe. I think Christianity is better than Islam because I'm a Christian. But that's not the point. The point is these sanctimonious holy rollers who are quick to condemn parts of one religion as being indicative of the entire religion while being apologists for the same shit in their own religion. And I don't give a rat's ass what the religion is. Its just that here on USMB, 99% of it is directed by Christians towards others.

What about the violence and discrimination that is done by muslims everyday (I did not say every muslim)? I didn't see the post as sanctimonious. I saw it as proof that islam is not just a religion. It is also a political movement of conquer and subjugate.
While I believe that most muslims are peaceful, and would not search out and murder those weaker than them (or betray their trust and then murder them), I do not see the muslims seperating the spiritual from the political.
Until that happens, you cannot predict which muslim is part of the 30 million extremists (1% of the muslim population).
I find it interesting when a conservative (Christian or otherwise) brings facts to the table, they are called names, and the facts ignored. History has showed us that ignoring the tendency for "groups" to subjugate, and "allowing/tolerating" them to do so, usually ends in a really messy stain.

 

[logical4u]

Although the Quran refers to the Jews as historically the "Chosen People".

They seem to have lost that status during the Prophethood od Muhammad.

Did the Lord travel with Mohammed as a pillar of fire?

Look, logical4u, I have been down this road with you before.

You ask a bunch of questions.

But in reality, have some sort of agenda that you want to hit me with.

Either tell me what you really want to say/ask.

Or just use Google and look up the answers to your questions yourself.

I have been down this road with you also. You will answer only what you want to, while demanding that others answer your agenda driven questions.
I am wondering why allah did not appear to the crusaders as Yeshua. If allah had done that, the world would be his.
I am wondering why Mohammed took civilization back to the OT, but there is no evidence allah appeared near him (as the Lord did when escorting the Hebrews out of Egypt). Why didn't allah give Mohammed the arc of the covenant, as a sign of his covenant with him?
I am wondering why muslims claim that Yeshua was one of "their" prophets when they disregard much of what He taught. I am wondering why Mohammed claimed that allah lied by making a covenant with the Hebrews, and then "broke" it. I am wondering why the Quran has such a different story for the Hebrews up until Abraham, and then basically when the Lord was demonstrating His power, the Quran stops its history lesson. The prophets of the OT had lives that had nothing in common with Mohammed, "the prophet". Why do muslims think that men of the Lord would be sooooo different?

 

[Sunni Man]

I have been down this road with you also. You will answer only what you want to, while demanding that others answer your agenda driven questions.
I am wondering why allah did not appear to the crusaders as Yeshua. If allah had done that, the world would be his.
I am wondering why Mohammed took civilization back to the OT, but there is no evidence allah appeared near him (as the Lord did when escorting the Hebrews out of Egypt). Why didn't allah give Mohammed the arc of the covenant, as a sign of his covenant with him?
I am wondering why muslims claim that Yeshua was one of "their" prophets when they disregard much of what He taught. I am wondering why Mohammed claimed that allah lied by making a covenant with the Hebrews, and then "broke" it. I am wondering why the Quran has such a different story for the Hebrews up until Abraham, and then basically when the Lord was demonstrating His power, the Quran stops its history lesson. The prophets of the OT had lives that had nothing in common with Mohammed, "the prophet". Why do muslims think that men of the Lord would be sooooo different?

Just like I thought.

You were being disingenuous with your line of agenda driven questions.

Looks like you and Google will be spend some time together.

 

[jeffrockit]

Typical of the left, if they disagree with actual facts, it is deemed "hate speech". When there is no defense for the horrid acts committed by Muslims, they simple label it as hate in order to shut down debate. Notice there was no refutation of any facts presented. How can you defend the violence. I am sure the "but Christians did ...." will come in to play as it always does.

That sums it up perfectly. Don't forget that someone else will likely be along shortly to label anyone concerned about Islam an Islamophobe.

Well, first of all, I'm not of the left.

Second, I didn't say the OP was hate speech. I just merely wondered aloud who hates more, Jack Fate or Freeman? There is a pattern for both of them. Freeman is continuously denigrating Judaism and Jack Fate is continuously denigrating Islam. Both grossly distort each religion to advance their own religious ideology. See, I don't much like people who deliberately sow divisions based on garbage stereotypes and misperceptions, whether its blacks, or Jews, or homosexuals or Muslims or Christians or white people or Americans. And I've gone after Freeman much harder than I have Jack Fate.

Finally, I loathe hypocrisy, and Jack Fate and all the so-called Christians who explain away the OT and all its brutality while criticizing other religions are hypocritical apologists.

The fact is that Christians are not committing the violence of the OT today. Muslims are committing the violence of the Koran. Pretty simple. And don't reference Timothy McVeigh or any other nuts as their actions were not following the teachings of Christ.
What is wrong with following the commandments? Our justice system seems to find them right for our laws.

 

[THE LIGHT]

I have been down this road with you also. You will answer only what you want to, while demanding that others answer your agenda driven questions.
I am wondering why allah did not appear to the crusaders as Yeshua. If allah had done that, the world would be his.
I am wondering why Mohammed took civilization back to the OT, but there is no evidence allah appeared near him (as the Lord did when escorting the Hebrews out of Egypt). Why didn't allah give Mohammed the arc of the covenant, as a sign of his covenant with him?
I am wondering why muslims claim that Yeshua was one of "their" prophets when they disregard much of what He taught. I am wondering why Mohammed claimed that allah lied by making a covenant with the Hebrews, and then "broke" it. I am wondering why the Quran has such a different story for the Hebrews up until Abraham, and then basically when the Lord was demonstrating His power, the Quran stops its history lesson. The prophets of the OT had lives that had nothing in common with Mohammed, "the prophet". Why do muslims think that men of the Lord would be sooooo different?

Just like I thought.

You were being disingenuous with your line of agenda driven questions.

Looks like you and Google will be spend some time together.

They are simple and valid questions that any genuine muslim should be able to answer.

 

[eots]

I'm not sure who hates more, Jack Fate hating Muslims or Freeman hating Jews.

Where's the hate from Jack Fate?

on youtube lol

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