The right will love this reasoning!

[ron4342]

Here is a thought the right will love. Rather than forcing young people who refuse to buy health insurance to buy insurance, let's pass a law that if a person refuses to insure themselves because of their not wanting to be forced to buy insurance and if they have a serious problem they can not pay for they should be thrown out on the street and allowed to die in the gutter. Is it fair for them to refuse to buy insurance and then to expect others to pay for them in the event of a catastrophic illness or accident. If they can buy insurance but refuse to they should be allowed to die rather than pulling others into bankrupcy to save their sorry asses. After all, what they are doing is betting they will not have a serious accident or illness. However, when you bet, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. If they don't want to buy insurance and they can't pay the hospital bill, let them pay with their lives. The right should really love this idea.

some of you live in the wrong country

when is it this FEDERAL governments job to FORCE something on the people of this country?

I bet you have your Obama brown shirts pressed and jack boots shined....now go out there and FORCE YOUNG to buy some stinking insurance

you govenment sheep will be the end of our freedoms

as for your spew, it was stupid and not one thing to love about it

Okay, I am agreeing with you. Government should NOT be allowed to force people to buy insurance. Now, with that said if a person does not buy health insurance and they get seriously ill or have a terrible accident they should just be ignored and allowed to die. Why should you, I or the government pay for their stupidity? Certainly you agree with that argument.
Oh, and about my "spew," I am just giving back to you what you are calling for.
You don't want to force people to buy insurance.
You don't want the government to spend tax money to help people out.
ERGO, let them die if they cannot afford to pay the medical bill. Isn't that the right wing belief.

 

[dblack]

Okay, I am agreeing with you. Government should NOT be allowed to force people to buy insurance. Now, with that said if a person does not buy health insurance and they get seriously ill or have a terrible accident they should just be ignored and allowed to die. Why should you, I or the government pay for their stupidity?

Basic human decency? People make mistakes, or simply don't have enough money to fend for themselves. It's not clear whether you're trying to present some cartoonish parody of what you *think* conservatives believe, or if you're really just that stingy. You really can't conceive of people helping each other out voluntarily?

You don't want to force people to buy insurance.
You don't want the government to spend tax money to help people out.
ERGO, let them die if they cannot afford to pay the medical bill. Isn't that the right wing belief.[/SIZE][/FONT]

No. Your 'ergo' is malfunctioning.

 

[Sunshine]

why would us righties need to do that. the aca is already doing that. Remember the little girl that needed the heart lung transplant and kalthleen the nazi sebelious turned her back on her and a federal judge had to overturn the aca supporters decision


you guys horror stories have about as much basis in fact as wmd's in iraq. amazing how the 2 parallel each other

Transplants are not free. No insurance I know of covers a transplant. Mine certainly does not. I did the research when I got this disease. If you opt to get a transplant, you have to find a way to pay for it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Here is a thought the right will love. Rather than forcing young people who refuse to buy health insurance to buy insurance, let's pass a law that if a person refuses to insure themselves because of their not wanting to be forced to buy insurance and if they have a serious problem they can not pay for they should be thrown out on the street and allowed to die in the gutter. Is it fair for them to refuse to buy insurance and then to expect others to pay for them in the event of a catastrophic illness or accident. If they can buy insurance but refuse to they should be allowed to die rather than pulling others into bankrupcy to save their sorry asses. After all, what they are doing is betting they will not have a serious accident or illness. However, when you bet, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. If they don't want to buy insurance and they can't pay the hospital bill, let them pay with their lives. The right should really love this idea.

some of you live in the wrong country

when is it this FEDERAL governments job to FORCE something on the people of this country?

I bet you have your Obama brown shirts pressed and jack boots shined....now go out there and FORCE YOUNG to buy some stinking insurance

you govenment sheep will be the end of our freedoms

as for your spew, it was stupid and not one thing to love about it

Okay, I am agreeing with you. Government should NOT be allowed to force people to buy insurance. Now, with that said if a person does not buy health insurance and they get seriously ill or have a terrible accident they should just be ignored and allowed to die. Why should you, I or the government pay for their stupidity? Certainly you agree with that argument.
Oh, and about my "spew," I am just giving back to you what you are calling for.
You don't want to force people to buy insurance.
You don't want the government to spend tax money to help people out.
ERGO, let them die if they cannot afford to pay the medical bill. Isn't that the right wing belief.

what the fuck is with the bold lettering?....

 

[ron4342]

Where did THIS troll come from?

Hey, I am just taking right wing talkiing points to their logical conclusion. The right does not feel it is right to force people to buy insurance. Also the right does not believe the government should assist those who need help. Put these two together and you come up with letting people die if they refuse to invest in health insurance. Isn't this what the right wants?

I'm not really sure what the 'right' wants, but your logic is faulty. There's quite a bit of leeway between the welfare state and social darwinism. We can take care of each other communally without resorting to coercion.

Hummmmmm...... A catastrophic illness or accident can cost $500K or more. So how much can I put you down to help pay for this one (1) incident? $5 or $10. I might point out that in big cities it is conceive able that there are two or more such patients. You are talking about a lot of money here and paying someone's medical bills can get old real fast. It can get especially old if the person chose NOT to buy insurance when they had the chance.
The right always screams people should be responsible. Deciding NOT to purchase insurance is irresponsible. Why do you want to reward a person who is being irresponsible?
Think about it this way, choosing NOT to purchase insurance is like placing a bet. They are betting that they will not need the insurance. But everyone who bets knows that sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Why do you want to pay for this scumbag (Democrat or republican) who is counting on you to spend YOUR money to save his cheap ass?
Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. The deadbeat should pay a price for taking money out of other peoples pockets.

 

[ron4342]

some of you live in the wrong country

when is it this FEDERAL governments job to FORCE something on the people of this country?

I bet you have your Obama brown shirts pressed and jack boots shined....now go out there and FORCE YOUNG to buy some stinking insurance

you govenment sheep will be the end of our freedoms

as for your spew, it was stupid and not one thing to love about it

Okay, I am agreeing with you. Government should NOT be allowed to force people to buy insurance. Now, with that said if a person does not buy health insurance and they get seriously ill or have a terrible accident they should just be ignored and allowed to die. Why should you, I or the government pay for their stupidity? Certainly you agree with that argument.
Oh, and about my "spew," I am just giving back to you what you are calling for.
You don't want to force people to buy insurance.
You don't want the government to spend tax money to help people out.
ERGO, let them die if they cannot afford to pay the medical bill. Isn't that the right wing belief.

what the fuck is with the bold lettering?....

Harry, the text on my screen is very small and difficult to read. I make the text larger to make it easier for me to answer. If there is a place in this where it allows you to adjust the text to a smaller font I can still read I will gladly make my font small. Oh, by the way, I have no idea how big my font is on your screen. I will consider any suggestions that make sense. Oh, and I am not using bold. This is bold.

 

[ron4342]

Okay, I am agreeing with you. Government should NOT be allowed to force people to buy insurance. Now, with that said if a person does not buy health insurance and they get seriously ill or have a terrible accident they should just be ignored and allowed to die. Why should you, I or the government pay for their stupidity?

Basic human decency? People make mistakes, or simply don't have enough money to fend for themselves. It's not clear whether you're trying to present some cartoonish parody of what you *think* conservatives believe, or if you're really just that stingy. You really can't conceive of people helping each other out voluntarily?

You don't want to force people to buy insurance.
You don't want the government to spend tax money to help people out.
ERGO, let them die if they cannot afford to pay the medical bill. Isn't that the right wing belief.[/SIZE][/FONT]

No. Your 'ergo' is malfunctioning.

Ok, dblack, time me how your are going to resolve this problem:
1) You do not believe the government should be able to force people to by health insurance. Okay, I get that. They don't have to buy health insurance.
2) You do not want the government to use its money to pay this deadbeats bill. You believe that would be socialism. Okay, I get that also. The government does not pay the medical bill.
3) A serious disease or accident can generate a bill up in the $300K to $500K range. You don't expect the doctors to work for free. The hospital cannot stay in business if it keeps getting stiffed. Someone has to pay the bill.
4) WHO DO YOU WANT TO PAY THE BILL?
I do not want to pay for anyone's medical bills, ESPECIALLY if they purposely chose NOT to act responsibly and buy insurance. Do you want to pay the bill for someone who chooses not to act in a responsible manner? I don't think so!
I ask again, WHO DO YOU WANT TO PAY THE BILL?

 

[Dragonlady]

Transplants are not free. No insurance I know of covers a transplant. Mine certainly does not. I did the research when I got this disease. If you opt to get a transplant, you have to find a way to pay for it.

My insurance covers transplants and there are no co-pays or pre-approvals but I'm a Canadian and we're forced to have government funded healthcare. So we have no freedom.

Gawd but you people are dumb!

 

[ron4342]

this thread is an example of the voters in Democratic base...if you don't agree with their view of government, then you want people to DIE die die

they spew hate about others assuming they know what they will love...and then goes on to show admiration for a Fascist FEDERAL government who DICTATES how you should LIVE YOUR LIVES

You people should move to a communist country

They would rather turn this country into a Communist Country.

That way they don't have to move.

You have added nothing to this debate. So far I have not seen you add anything to this board. Frankly I doubt if you add anything to this world.
I AM TAKING REPUBLICAN IDEAS AND BELIEFS TO THEIR LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS:
1) REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE.
2) REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF PAYING PEOPLES MEDICAL BILLS.
3) REPUBLICANS (AND MOST OTHER PEOPLE) DO NOT BELIEVE IN PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLES MEDICAL PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY COULD HAVE PURCHASED INSURANCE BUT CHOSE NOT TO DO SO.
4) SO, WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD PAY THE BILL FOR A PERSON WHO HAS BEHAVED IRRESPONSIBLY?

 

[Contumacious]

Here is a thought the right will love. Rather than forcing young people who refuse to buy health insurance to buy insurance, let's pass a law that if a person refuses to insure themselves because of their not wanting to be forced to buy insurance and if they have a serious problem they can not pay for they should be thrown out on the street and allowed to die in the gutter.

Here is a thought the left will love.

Enact Obama hellcare in order to create the ILLUSION that everyone is covered. Then begin to discreetly ration healthcare so that when the folks have a serious problem they will be thrown on the street and allowed to die in the gutter.............in the name of "national security" but of course.

.

.

 

[Dragonlady]

Health care is already rationed in the US by insurance companies who deny claims or refuse to pay for treatment.

 

[Contumacious]

Health care is already rationed in the US by insurance companies who deny claims or refuse to pay for treatment.

The UK's version of Obama hellcare:

Dying for a drink: Over 12,000 killed by dehydration in [British] hospitals every year

.

 

[Dragonlady]

Ah yes the Mirror - a British tabloid, not unlike the National Enquirer. Hardly a paper to be relied upon for facts.

 

[Contumacious]

Ah yes the Mirror - a British tabloid, not unlike the National Enquirer. Hardly a paper to be relied upon for facts.

Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year

Professor says doctors use 'death pathway' to euthenasia of the elderly
Around 29 per cent of patients that die in hospital are on controversial 'care pathway'
Pensioner admitted to hospital given treatment by doctor on weekend shift

.

 

[dblack]

WHO DO YOU WANT TO PAY THE BILL?

Whoever wants to.

I do not want to pay for anyone's medical bills, ESPECIALLY if they purposely chose NOT to act responsibly and buy insurance. Do you want to pay the bill for someone who chooses not to act in a responsible manner?

As I said earlier, yes. I generally do what I can to help people in need, especially in emergency situations. I get that you don't want to, and you shouldn't be forced to. It's sad that you have such a short-sighted, selfish disposition, but fortunately most people don't.

Regarding your font-size choices: I can understand difficulty reading small fonts - I have similar issues. On most web browsers it's a trivial matter to adjust text size to your preference as you read (try pressing ctrl +). This will allow you to read and post to the thread adequately without giving the impression that you think your ideas are more important than everyone else's. They're not.

 

[PredFan]

Here is a thought the right will love. Rather than forcing young people who refuse to buy health insurance to buy insurance, let's pass a law that if a person refuses to insure themselves because of their not wanting to be forced to buy insurance and if they have a serious problem they can not pay for they should be thrown out on the street and allowed to die in the gutter. Is it fair for them to refuse to buy insurance and then to expect others to pay for them in the event of a catastrophic illness or accident. If they can buy insurance but refuse to they should be allowed to die rather than pulling others into bankrupcy to save their sorry asses. After all, what they are doing is betting they will not have a serious accident or illness. However, when you bet, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. If they don't want to buy insurance and they can't pay the hospital bill, let them pay with their lives. The right should really love this idea.

Dumbass.

 

[PredFan]

This is a troll thread based on a strawman concept of epic stupidity.

Let the thread die people.

 

[dblack]

This is a troll thread based on a strawman concept of epic stupidity.

Let the thread die people.

There is some element of 'trollishness' here, but the thread does present a perspective that a lot of people share, one that was used as a principal argument for ACA. It seems worthwhile to show that this view is illogical and not a good foundation for federal policy.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Here is a thought the right will love. Rather than forcing young people who refuse to buy health insurance to buy insurance, let's pass a law that if a person refuses to insure themselves because of their not wanting to be forced to buy insurance and if they have a serious problem they can not pay for they should be thrown out on the street and allowed to die in the gutter. ...

How about we just leave it up to the people involved to decide what to do in that case? Is letting people think for themselves an alien concept these days?

Not if they end up at the ER and their problem ends up on your bill after the hospital and insurance companies pass those costs on to their policy holders. And THAT is EXACTLY how it works.

You think the Pentagon can inflate the cost of something? Docs and hospitals charge as much as 2000% (not a typo) over the retail, uninsured cost of a Rx drug if you just walked in the phucking pharmacy and bought it with a script.

So you want to force people to pay for a scam because it would be a little cheaper for you.

Do you have a clue as to how much it costs to manufacture a pill?

Have you ever taken a look at the cost of medical equipment?

How do you justify thousands of dollars a day to stay in a hospital room?

If you want affordable health care, let market forces at the health care industry.

 

[zeke]

this thread is an example of the voters in Democratic base...if you don't agree with their view of government, then you want people to DIE die die

they spew hate about others assuming they know what they will love...and then goes on to show admiration for a Fascist FEDERAL government who DICTATES how you should LIVE YOUR LIVES

You people should move to a communist country

They would rather turn this country into a Communist Country.

That way they don't have to move.

You have added nothing to this debate. So far I have not seen you add anything to this board. Frankly I doubt if you add anything to this world.
I AM TAKING REPUBLICAN IDEAS AND BELIEFS TO THEIR LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS:
1) REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO BUY INSURANCE.
2) REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF PAYING PEOPLES MEDICAL BILLS.
3) REPUBLICANS (AND MOST OTHER PEOPLE) DO NOT BELIEVE IN PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLES MEDICAL PROBLEMS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY COULD HAVE PURCHASED INSURANCE BUT CHOSE NOT TO DO SO.
4) SO, WHO DO YOU THINK SHOULD PAY THE BILL FOR A PERSON WHO HAS BEHAVED IRRESPONSIBLY?

Yea I have argued the same position. It's ok for the government to force hospitals to provide care to an injured person, and have others pay the bill.

But heaven fuking forbid that the government put together a health care plan so that everybody has some skin in their health care. Heaven forbid.

But to expect that these right wing assholes on here will engage in an honest debate on the topics you present, is not going to happen.

Hell they couldn't even address WHO should be paying for the health care provided at emergency rooms to the uninsured.

Then they think that a few people are gonna pool their funds to pay for someone they don't really know who needs 500k in medical care.

Of course this could have been happening all along. But it hasn't. Wonder why not?

Nah you bring up interesting points. But you won't get any "interesting" thoughts about your topics from these right wingers. Unfortunately.