The thread where I make Democrats angry- why we lost in 2024!

[Orangecat]

your future 2029

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Didn’t you predict a President Harris?

 

[Orangecat]

No, what cost us the election was Biden's failure to step aside because he was too old.

He did step aside. Pay attention.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

So it was a keep by the Dems?

the churched and unchurched population leaning center left outnumber the churched and unchurched right.

The white churched right made up nearly hslf of the Republicans who voted in 2024. Let’s say there are 38 million loyal Republican Christian voters who will never vote for a Democrat.

Churched Republicans self poll as if they are one big family.

If churched and unchurched Dem voters form an infrastucture organized through the liberal Christian church they will become unbeatable in every state.

They can self poll too whether secular or religious oriented.

The lef had the moral highground already.

The heathen asshole unchurched right and their white churched brethren will easily be voted out of power by 2028.

 

[martybegan]

the churched and unchurched population leaning center left outnumber the churched and unchurched right.

The white churched right made up nearly hslf of the Republicans who voted in 2024. Let’s say there are 38 million loyal Republican Christian voters who will never vote for a Democrat.

Churched Republicans self poll as if they are one big family.

If churched and unchurched Dem voters form an infrastucture organized through the liberal Christian church they will become unbeatable in every state.

They can self poll too whether secular or religious oriented.

The lef had the moral highground already.

The heathen asshole unchurched right and their white churched brethren will easily be voted out of power by 2028.

 

[JoeB131]

What does that mean? Their conditions have gotten better now so they don’t want to leave? The conditions in the US are now all of a sudden inferior to their home countries?

What has happened is that the gravy train has stopped, which slowed down the crossings. Yes, their friends telling them to come because they can get debit cards in NY, get on Medicaid and get a SS# enticed more illegal crossings. Go figure.

I mean exactly that... That there was a spike in 2021 because Covid had done a number on those economies as well, and there were country specific issues in Venezuela, Haiti, and Nicaragua.

It tapered off because Biden was making a last ditch effort to try to win the election. Had Harris been elected, it would have spiked right back up and probably even made worse.

Or not. I guess now that Trump is wrecking the economy, that's going to scare them off.

We didn’t know how many were sneaking in before either, so I don’t see the difference. Are you suggesting we remove the illegal component and allow anyone into the country? Open borders?

I mean we give these people the same chance your ancestors and my ancestors have when they immigrated from whatever European country they came from.

 

[DBA]

I mean exactly that... That there was a spike in 2021 because Covid had done a number on those economies as well, and there were country specific issues in Venezuela, Haiti, and Nicaragua.

At no time are any of those countries as attractive as the United States.

Or not. I guess now that Trump is wrecking the economy, that's going to scare them off.

He isn't wrecking the economy but you'll figure it out soon enough. You guys have always been kind of slow.

I mean we give these people the same chance your ancestors and my ancestors have when they immigrated from whatever European country they came from.

We didn't have Medicaid or debit cards or any of that stuff either. Also, aren't we are progressive country? Times have changed.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Do you live in a State and a Congressional District where the majority of eligible voters want this..?

Chauncey DeVega for Salon wrote …~… During his address to Congress last week, Donald Trump promised that he was “just getting started." Trump is America’s first elected autocrat. His “just getting started” means an escalation in his neofascist campaign to end America’s multiracial pluralistic democracy and turn the country into a version of Viktor Orbán’s Hungary or Vladimir Putin’s Russia, nullify the rule of law, ignore and stain the Constitution (and especially the Bill of Rights), make the country into a white Christian authoritarian state, betray America’s allies and friends, take even more of the American people’s money and give it to the richest corporations and individuals, and pull apart an already threadbare social safety net — which will include gutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[JoeB131]

He isn't wrecking the economy but you'll figure it out soon enough. You guys have always been kind of slow.

I'm already seeing the effect. My company already laid two people off. On the resume side of my world, I'm getting more people who are victims of layoffs and less looking for better jobs.

We didn't have Medicaid or debit cards or any of that stuff either. Also, aren't we are progressive country? Times have changed.

You think a 5K debit card is life-changing?

Medicaid is only an issue if you are sick. The sickly aren't the ones coming here to do jobs Americans don't want.

 

[DBA]

I'm already seeing the effect. My company already laid two people off. On the resume side of my world, I'm getting more people who are victims of layoffs and less looking for better jobs.

You are very confused if you think people are laying people off because of a threat of tariffs. If so, you work for a woke company full of knee jerk leftists. I wouldn’t be surprised in Chicago.

You think a 5K debit card is life-changing?

Medicaid is only an issue if you are sick. The sickly aren't the ones coming here to do jobs Americans don't want.

5k is quite a bit more money than most of these people have ever seen.

The security of having free world class medical care is quite a draw.

You also didn’t mention the housing.

You don’t seem to realized how much nicer the US is in most areas(inner cities aside), than most of the places these people come from. Yes, believe it or not, the country you seem to hate, isn’t as bad as you have been told.

 

[JoeB131]

You are very confused if you think people are laying people off because of a threat of tariffs. If so, you work for a woke company full of knee jerk leftists. I wouldn’t be surprised in Chicago.

Not hardly. They are trimming because there's been a decline in orders and they know components are going to be more expensive. Nothing to do with "woke" and everything to do with plain, simple economics.

When components become too expensive (either because you are paying a tariff or going to an American supplier you thought was too expensive the first time around), the first place you look to cut is workforce.

Watch for unemployment to jump up pretty soon in Trump Recession 2. Better start working on your excuses now why that "isn't his fault."

5k is quite a bit more money than most of these people have ever seen.

The security of having free world class medical care is quite a draw.

You also didn’t mention the housing.

Gee, are you advocating for socialized medicine now?

5K doesn't go far in THIS country.

No need to mention the housing. Most of these people were willing to work and did once they got green cards.

You don’t seem to realized how much nicer the US is in most areas(inner cities aside), than most of the places these people come from. Yes, believe it or not, the country you seem to hate, isn’t as bad as you have been told

Only one of us has a DD214.

Do you know where these people aren't coming from? Europe. It's much nicer there. Japan.

They are coming from poorer countries, usually the ones that we made poorer by years of imperialist policies.

take Venezuela. We've been waging economic war on them for 20 years because they picked a form of government we don't like. Then we wonder why all these Venezuelans start showing up as refugees.

 

[martybegan]

Do you live in a State and a Congressional District where the majority of eligible voters want this..?

Chauncey DeVega for Salon wrote …~… During his address to Congress last week, Donald Trump promised that he was “just getting started." Trump is America’s first elected autocrat. His “just getting started” means an escalation in his neofascist campaign to end America’s multiracial pluralistic democracy and turn the country into a version of Viktor Orbán’s Hungary or Vladimir Putin’s Russia, nullify the rule of law, ignore and stain the Constitution (and especially the Bill of Rights), make the country into a white Christian authoritarian state, betray America’s allies and friends, take even more of the American people’s money and give it to the richest corporations and individuals, and pull apart an already threadbare social safety net — which will include gutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[Dragonlady]

Since 99% of my posts make Republicans Angry, I thought I'd do a post where I antagonize Democrats with hard, cold truths. Because it seems to me most of the Democrat discussion is "We weren't radical enough!"

So here is my list, 11 reasons why Democrats got their asses handed to them in 2024.

1) Joe Biden – completely and utterly screwed his party. It should have been evident to everyone around him that, at 81, he didn’t have the acuity or stamina to wage a campaign against Trump. He maybe never did, but the unique nature of the 2020 election gave him a pass. In 2020, he promised to be a transitional president. A second term never should have been in the cards.

In any event, Biden should have withdrawn after the 2022 midterms, and the Democrats did better than they deserved to because Trump insisted on extreme MAGA candidates for winnable races. A vigorous primary campaign would have tempered the steel of the eventual nominee.


2) Kamala Harris – In one aspect, it’s easy to be sympathetic; she had to hop in and pick up a ball that had been fumbled. That said, she was a poor candidate. She was a weak candidate in 2020 when she dropped out before the primaries, and she did little to distinguish herself as Vice President. But the Democrats were painted into a corner. Passing over her to pick someone more electable would have been seen as an insult to women and minorities. Additionally, there was the issue of who could legally use the money that Biden had raised to that point.

Harris should have done a self-evaluation and realized that she probably wasn’t the best candidate. She didn’t. We got the result we should have expected.

3) Tim Walz- a lousy pick. He brought nothing to the table. Minnesota hasn’t gone Red since 1972. If the Democrats are seriously fighting for MN, they need to rethink their party. Shapiro, Warnock, anyone who could have helped in a Swing state would have been better.

4) The Corporate Media didn’t do its job- The Corporate Media has this weird symbiotic relationship with Trump. They know he’s repulsive, but he’s good for ratings. He’s reality TV incarnate, normalizing lousy behavior because it’s entertaining. Joe Biden could look a bit confused trying to find the exit, and you’d get speculation about his mental acuity. Trump could rant about Haitians eating cats and Arnold Palmer’s….er… attributes, and nope, nothing to see here.

5) Abortion wasn’t the magic bullet – The initial shock of Dobbs probably saved the Democrats from worse results in 2022, but it was a hand Harris overplayed. Most Americans are ambivalent about abortion. They don’t think it should be illegal, but they don’t like it much, either. Making it the centerpiece of your campaign was a bad idea.

6) Taking Asians and Hispanics for granted – This is the untold story of 2024. Trump didn’t improve his numbers with white voters. He lost a percentage point among them. He only slightly improved his standing with black voters. The two big groups that he gained were Hispanics (+14) and Asians (+6), despite the toxic and racist language coming from Trump on Immigration.

Part of the reason was that the Harris team took them for granted, whereas Trump made genuine outreach. The other part of the problem is that immigration is affecting these communities, and muddled messaging didn’t help.

7) Immigration – Immigration has become a significant crisis, which Biden and Harris did not effectively manage. Part of the problem is immigrants figured out the Asylum loophole and abused the heck out of it. The other part of the problem is that Biden did very little to discourage immigration. While they deported more people than Trump did during his first term, they didn’t like to talk about it because they thought it wouldn’t play well with the Hispanic Community.

8) It’s the economy, stupid. The Biden economy was pretty good. Record stock market growth, record job growth, and low unemployment. The fly in the ointment, of course, was high inflation, driven by global commodities, labor shortages, and, yes, the Trillions in Stimulus That both Trump and Biden pumped into the economy to keep it afloat during COVID-19. The problem was, the Democrats did a poor job talking up the good stuff, and really weren't proactive enough on inflation, other than "Just let the fed handle it by putting home prices out of reach".

9) Transgender rights - Failure to Communicate. Democrats let Republicans run the table with this one. Every time the Republicans dragged out some college girl whining how she didn’t get a trophy, the Democrats should have brought out a transgender girl who transphobic people have abused. They didn’t do this, and the GOP got away with dehumanization.

10) Not holding Trump to account for COVID (or anything else!) – It is MIND-BOGGLING to me how Democrats weren’t reminding people at every step about how Trump mismanaged the COVID crisis (and subsequent recession).

11) Israel and Palestine- trying to thread the needle. This is where they should have taken a stand. Instead, they tried to please both sides and ended up pleasing neither one. So now you have these Arab-Americans in Dearborn, MI, who stayed home. How are things better for you now? ,

You left out the biggest reason of all.

Trump lied about EVERYTHING and the right wing media parroted his lies - endlessly. The stolen election that wasn't stolen.

You have this vast propaganda machine that tells voters across the nation that Democrats are demons and Republicans are good for the economy - 24/7. And they parroted everything Trump said.

 

[JoeB131]

You left out the biggest reason of all.

Trump lied about EVERYTHING and the right wing media parroted his lies - endlessly. The stolen election that wasn't stolen.

You have this vast propaganda machine that tells voters across the nation that Democrats are demons and Republicans are good for the economy - 24/7. And they parroted everything Trump said.

Very True.

I really don't get how people believe Republicans are "good for the economy" when they were in charge when 10 of the last 11 recessions started.

Soon to be 11 of the last 12.

 

[Dragonlady]

You are very confused if you think people are laying people off because of a threat of tariffs. If so, you work for a woke company full of knee jerk leftists. I wouldn’t be surprised in Chicago.



5k is quite a bit more money than most of these people have ever seen.

The security of having free world class medical care is quite a draw.

You also didn’t mention the housing.

You don’t seem to realized how much nicer the US is in most areas(inner cities aside), than most of the places these people come from. Yes, believe it or not, the country you seem to hate, isn’t as bad as you have been told.

You are very gullible if you think people aren't being laid off because of the tariffs. The notion that only "woke" companies are laying people off shows what a Dumb Butthead American you truly are. Your ignorance and stupidity knows no bounds.

You think people are fleeing their countries for the health care?? You're even dumber than you seem. There is FREE health care for these people in their home countries, you idiot.

 

[Dragonlady]

Very True.

I really don't get how people believe Republicans are "good for the economy" when they were in charge when 10 of the last 11 recessions started.

Soon to be 11 of the last 12.

Because the MEDIA tells them so. If right wing media had called Biden's recovery the "best in the world", and endlessly touted how quickly he dealt with the shortages and getting everything running again, instead of endlessly whining about shortages, prices, and the border, Democrats would have been elected in a landslide.

Instead, all you heard was how unfairly Trump was treated. Border security 24/7, trans, trans, trans, and inflation.

 

[JoeB131]

Because the MEDIA tells them so. If right wing media had called Biden's recovery the "best in the world", and endlessly touted how quickly he dealt with the shortages and getting everything running again, instead of endlessly whining about shortages, prices, and the border, Democrats would have been elected in a landslide.

Instead, all you heard was how unfairly Trump was treated. Border security 24/7, trans, trans, trans, and inflation.

I agree, but that's largely the fault of Democrats for letting Trump dominate the debate.

Biden barely showed up, and Kamala had a very weak message.

More to the point, they should have been harping on Trump's mismanagement of COVID-19 and related issues in 2020, but they barely wanted to talk about it.

 

[DBA]

When components become too expensive (either because you are paying a tariff or going to an American supplier you thought was too expensive the first time around), the first place you look to cut is workforce.

For starters, that isn’t going to happen because trade deals will be made. You lived through Bidenflation, you most certainly can easily make it through a few months while new deals are negotiated.

Also, if non-essential products become more expensive, what do people do? You guessed it, they stop buying. If people stop buying, what do importers do? You guess it, they stop buying product. What happens when importers stop buying product from their suppliers? You guess it right again, they lower prices because ultimately they must sell their product to stay in business. They can’t sell enough to other countries because they don’t have the consumer base we do.

Watch for unemployment to jump up pretty soon in Trump Recession 2. Better start working on your excuses now why that "isn't his fault."

It has been talked about for quite a while, ever since Biden’s recession in 2022. You know, the one where there were two straight quarters of declining GDP and the left tried to claim that was no longer the definition.

If there is a downturn, it will quickly turn around if/when tax cuts pass and deregulation pass. This needs to get done before the midterms in case you lunatics elect a bunch of TDS folks and there is a stalemate in Congress.

Democrats want Trump to fail at ALL cost, including hurting the US. They don’t care. They only want power. I know you can’t see this(yet), but eventually you will catch on.

Gee, are you advocating for socialized medicine now?

No, just pointing out the obvious. Our healthcare system is far better than where these people come from and it is “free” for them. That is a draw.

5K doesn't go far in THIS country.

So? It is still in this country where we have far more amenities that are accessible to them. Also, free money is free money. They don’t get free money in their countries.

No need to mention the housing. Most of these people were willing to work and did once they got green cards.

And stay on Medicaid. 26 states have programs to feed and house them. You don’t think that is a draw? Yes, they can work, send money back to their families and live on our dime. You think that is net gain because you are clueless.

Only one of us has a DD214.

Cool. You served, but have a disdain for your country. Every other country is better in your mind. My multiple family members who served who were likely much higher ranked than you(LTC and COL), have the opposite opinion as you.

Do you know where these people aren't coming from? Europe. It's much nicer there. Japan.

See above. Europe is only nicer if you are accustomed to living in a shoebox. Some countries are nice, but, you guessed it, their immigration policies are very stringent.

They are coming from poorer countries, usually the ones that we made poorer by years of imperialist policies.

Once again, that disdain.

Anyway, who cares where they are coming from. They are(were) coming and we were supporting them. That was stupid. No country that wants to maintain their sovereignty does that.

 

[Dragonlady]

I agree, but that's largely the fault of Democrats for letting Trump dominate the debate.

Biden barely showed up, and Kamala had a very weak message.

More to the point, they should have been harping on Trump's mismanagement of COVID-19 and related issues in 2020, but they barely wanted to talk about it.

They SHOULD have been harping on his 6 bankruptcies, and his mismanagement of the economy the first time he was in office. Elections are about the FUTURE, not the past. What is Trump offering for the future????

Trump sold the idea of his GREAT economy, prior to covid, but that was also a lie, which the right breathlessly parroted because the owners of right wing media want the tax cuts.

His economy was NOT great compared to when Obama was in office, because everything was slowing down - employment, the stock market, exports. Manufacturing was in a recession in 2019, BECAUSE of his tariffs. All of which was obscured by the pandemic economy.

Your trade deficit increased by 40% because of Trump's first trade war, and it hasn't come down at all as a result of all of the deals Trump made in his first administration. That's why Trump is now tearing up all of these deal. The Great Negotiator BLEW IT.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Thankfully, democrats really believe they got it right in 2024 and will double down in 2026.

 

[JoeB131]

Thankfully, democrats really believe they got it right in 2024 and will double down in 2026.

Hardly.

The only reason why Democrats lost in 2024 was because of Biden's infirmities.

By 2026, Trump will have turned the economy into such a shit show that even the deepest red districts will be giving Republicans their walking papers.