The tory leadership contest to replace "dead duck" Sunak.

[Tommy Tainant]

The Tories got 8 constituency seats in the 2021 election. Then with that other system they got another 8.

The problem is that without proper democracy, you get problems. Even if you don't like the Tories and don't want them to have seats, if Labour think they can win, no matter what, you end up with parties like the Republicans and the Democrats.

And Welsh Labour aren't that good. Better than the Tories, but still....

Im not a labour supporter. But conservatism is a blight on society dragging us back to a bleak and bittter oast. A class of mine owners.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Im not a labour supporter. But conservatism is a blight on society dragging us back to a bleak and bittter oast. A class of mine owners.

Maybe, but a good society is one where everyone feels they get a say, and people's views are taken into account.

 

[Deadstick]

Maybe, but a good society is one where everyone feels they get a say, and people's views are taken into account.

The Tories all my life have never taken the peoples views into account, but it never ceases to amaze me how many of the herd have put those criminals into power time after time even when it's clear to anyone it's against their own best interests, i believe some of it comes down to inbred forloch tugging to clowns like Jacob Rees Smug who talks with a bag of spanners in his mouth and shows a sense of entitlement only his sort have, Bozo the clown Johnson was another, some of the herd think those morons are their betters because Daddy sent them to Eton.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Maybe, but a good society is one where everyone feels they get a say, and people's views are taken into account.

I sort of agree. But my class has a stake in this society that we worked hard for. But the tories maje decisions for their donors not for folk like me. We are better off without them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Tories all my life have never taken the peoples views into account, but it never ceases to amaze me how many of the herd have put those criminals into power time after time even when it's clear to anyone it's against their own best interests, i believe some of it comes down to inbred forloch tugging to clowns like Jacob Rees Smug who talks with a bag of spanners in his mouth and shows a sense of entitlement only his sort have, Bozo the clown Johnson was another, some of the herd think those morons are their betters because Daddy sent them to Eton.

Check out the election results about who put the Tories in place.

2010 the Tories got 10.7 million votes. Labour and the Lib Dems got 15.4 million votes.

2015 the Tories got 11.2 million, Labour and the Lib Dems got 11.7 million

2017 the Tories got 13.6 million, Labour and the Lib Dems got 15.1 million

2019 the Tories got less than 1,000 votes more than Labour and the Lib Dems.

It's not the people putting the Tories in, it's the system.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I sort of agree. But my class has a stake in this society that we worked hard for. But the tories maje decisions for their donors not for folk like me. We are better off without them.

Are you? If the Communists and Socialists took over, would it be a heaven on earth? No, it wouldn't. They'd bankrupt the country. They tried to do that before. The car industry died because they were giving huge subsidies, so the industry just wasn't profitable. It was costing the country money, rather than making money for the country, for example.

 

[Deadstick]

Check out the election results about who put the Tories in place.

2010 the Tories got 10.7 million votes. Labour and the Lib Dems got 15.4 million votes.

2015 the Tories got 11.2 million, Labour and the Lib Dems got 11.7 million

2017 the Tories got 13.6 million, Labour and the Lib Dems got 15.1 million

2019 the Tories got less than 1,000 votes more than Labour and the Lib Dems.

It's not the people putting the Tories in, it's the system.

Well that is a fair point, however i mean people like those idiots in 2019 in red wall seats, i remember two of those ignorant fools being interviewed by SKY in 2019 i forget which Town but it was i think in the North they said they are voting for change and were sick of things like police stations being closed down so they were voting Tory, the Tories had been in power for years yet those two imbeciles were blaming the Labour party that's the level of stupidity some have.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well that is a fair point, however i mean people like those idiots in 2019 in red wall seats, i remember two of those ignorant fools being interviewed by SKY in 2019 i forget which Town but it was i think in the North they said they are voting for change and were sick of things like police stations being closed down so they were voting Tory, the Tories had been in power for years yet those two imbeciles were blaming the Labour party that's the level of stupidity some have.

Yeah, it happens.

But having parties that people understand, having it easier to kick out those in power, means that people vote slightly better and politicians actually stand for decent-ish things.

Germany and Denmark function much better, their politics is less extreme. Not perfect, no system is, but better.