This Guy Is Ready To Go To Jail For His Rights

[IlarMeilyr]

The pull-over was based (presumably) on the officer's hearing of the loud music from a distance of 50 feet or more away. That does not constitute an arrest. THEN it appears that the officer asked for the DRIVER's ID. The DRIVER refused. THEN he got arrested.

See? Not that hard to follow.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I think the consensus is that any police officer arrests constitutes a "lawful arrest"

You "think" so DESPITE the lack of any credible evidence to support your preconceived silly notion.

But you seem to ignore the solid logical answer. He got pulled over. The cop demanded his license. The schmuck said "no." Of course he got arrested.

Well I asked directly several times and no one can answer...I think that counts for something

Your preconceived notion counts for more.

A lawful arrest is one based on probable cause to believe that the person has committed a crime or is in the midst of committing a crime.

An unlawful arrest is one not premised on a warrant or the aforementioned probable cause.

So, again...whenever a cop pulls you over alk they have to do is believe a crime is occuring?

Well that's just like saying whenever a cop pulls you over its lawful. Unless you thinka police officer is going to admit they had no reason. .. which is silly

 

[Katzndogz]

If you are driving a vehicle and an officer demands to see your license you are obligated to produce it upon any request. It is an obligation of the privilege of driving.

It's in all DMV handbooks.

Which came first the pull over or the demand to show license?

*I keep asking...is a lawful stop defined as whenever a police pulls you over?

So far no one has answered

Yes. It is presumed to be a lawful stop. It is up to you to rebut the presumption which you are entitled to do when you appear before a judge. What you are not entitled to do is challenge the presumption on the spot since ruling that the presumption has been successfully challenged is something only a judge can do.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I think the consensus is that any police officer arrests constitutes a "lawful arrest"

You "think" so DESPITE the lack of any credible evidence to support your preconceived silly notion.

But you seem to ignore the solid logical answer. He got pulled over. The cop demanded his license. The schmuck said "no." Of course he got arrested.

Well I asked directly several times and no one can answer...I think that counts for something

Your preconceived notion counts for more.

A lawful arrest is one based on probable cause to believe that the person has committed a crime or is in the midst of committing a crime.

An unlawful arrest is one not premised on a warrant or the aforementioned probable cause.

So, again...whenever a cop pulls you over alk they have to do is believe a crime is occuring?

Well that's just like saying whenever a cop pulls you over its lawful. Unless you thinka police officer is going to admit they had no reason. .. which is silly

Speaking of silly, everything you say is rather childish and asinine.

When a cop pulls you over, you can get a ticket or you might end up getting arrested or you might be sent on your way with none of the above happening.

The cop's subjective belief that he pulled you over for a good reason is not the same thing as a conviction, however. YOU get he benefit of a hearing or even a trial.

What is the alternative that you propose? No pulling you over before a trial or hearing? Are you seriously silly enough to think that THAT would make ANY sense?

 

[Katzndogz]

What to do when you are stopped by the police.

Police Stops What to Do If You Are Pulled Over Nolo.com

 

[IlarMeilyr]

What to do when you are stopped by the police.

Police Stops What to Do If You Are Pulled Over Nolo.com

What to do depends on what outcome you seek.

If you want to get arrested, refuse a command to produce your driver's license.

If you are content to challenge the issuance of a ticket sometime down the road, then try not to be a complete dick and instead simply produce your driver's license and insurance card and registration.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I challenge the word of cops on a regular basis. Objectively, cops can and do lie. Objectively, cops can and do also tell the truth.

The trick is to ascertain which they are doing when they testify.

I want cops to tell the truth. But I will challenge what they say without regret. That doesn't mean that cops are some kind of enemy.

When a gun gets fired, I guarantee I will try to run AWAY from it. Cops run toward it. They do that kind of stuff because -- why?

Anyone? Bueller?

 

[Katzndogz]

There are quite a few groups purporting to help people assert their rights. Except they are wrong.

 

[Godboy]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Driving without a license is not a mere traffic infraction. It is a violation in NY, for example. And you can certainly get a ticket, but WHO does the cop give the ticket to? Some guy named "anonymous?"

No no. To issue a ticket (instead of arresting a person) the officer has to be able to identify the person who will be required to show up in court to answer the allegations. But there's the rub. No identification = no mere ticket. Instead, the driver's imbecility EARNED him an arrest.

You could look it up.

When he gets the name from the driver, he can get the info over the radio and cross-reference it with the license plate.

 

[Nutz]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

EXACTLY....white people are killing their babies, shooting up schools and killing cops at an amazing rate. Why are cops worrying about jigaboos playing their music too loud...they can just shoot them and get away with it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

Since you said it. ..What is "evidence of racism"?

 

[Nutz]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

Since you said it. ..What is "evidence of racism"?

Don't ask fake Christians difficult questions.

 

[Godboy]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

Since you said it. ..What is "evidence of racism"?

Don't ask fake Christians difficult questions.

Im an atheist you moron. Do you ever get anything right?

 

[Godboy]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

Since you said it. ..What is "evidence of racism"?

The fact that you have to ask that question, clearly demonstrates that you are the last person who should be judging what is and isnt racism. You are clearly unqualified.

 

[Nutz]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

Since you said it. ..What is "evidence of racism"?

Don't ask fake Christians difficult questions.

Im an atheist you moron. Do you ever get anything right?

As an atheist....obviously you don't.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You don't have to Identify yourself just because a Police Officer asks.

You only have to identify yourself AFTER you've been LAWFULLY Arrested.

If that guy wasn't lawfully arrested then he's got a nice, juicy lawsuit against that officer.

Assuming he doesn't get quietly shanked first...

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Driving without a license is not a mere traffic infraction. It is a violation in NY, for example. And you can certainly get a ticket, but WHO does the cop give the ticket to? Some guy named "anonymous?"

No no. To issue a ticket (instead of arresting a person) the officer has to be able to identify the person who will be required to show up in court to answer the allegations. But there's the rub. No identification = no mere ticket. Instead, the driver's imbecility EARNED him an arrest.

You could look it up.

When he gets the name from the driver, he can get the info over the radio and cross-reference it with the license plate.

Because if the driver gives a name it must be his real name?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Just 'driving while brown and playing music' isn't enough

The fact that people like you cry racism, without any evidence to support such a vile accusation, is precisely why no one is buying that horseshit anymore. Youve made it much harder on people who are victims of REALracism in the process. Nice work fuckwad.

...and for the record, if cops were pulling people over all day for being brown and playing music, they wouldnt have time to do anything else.

Since you said it. ..What is "evidence of racism"?

The fact that you have to ask that question, clearly demonstrates that you are the last person who should be judging what is and isnt racism. You are clearly unqualified.

So enlighten me...What is "evidence of racism"?

Dont feel bad if you cant answer....you're not the first person to ask for evidence of racism and have no idea what that means.

And you wont be the last

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Driving without a license is not a mere traffic infraction. It is a violation in NY, for example. And you can certainly get a ticket, but WHO does the cop give the ticket to? Some guy named "anonymous?"

No no. To issue a ticket (instead of arresting a person) the officer has to be able to identify the person who will be required to show up in court to answer the allegations. But there's the rub. No identification = no mere ticket. Instead, the driver's imbecility EARNED him an arrest.

You could look it up.

When he gets the name from the driver, he can get the info over the radio and cross-reference it with the license plate.

Because if the driver gives a name it must be his real name?

Isn't it illegal to give a false name? Therefore I would assume he would give his real name which can be verified on the officer's laptop with a photo.