Thought Experiment

[Dogmaphobe]

That's easy.

It says you created this thread back on June 27th.

 

[Wuwei]

Grumblenuts
Speaking of proofs and non-proofs, I mentioned Gödel's Theorem. He proved that there are arithmetic theorems that are true but cannot be proven to be true. Some had thought Fermat's conjecture might be one of them. The proof of Gödel's theorem can be understood by those with experience in abstract thinking, but it is a real mind twister. Gödel went loony later in life.
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[Grumblenuts]

Even I'm not nuts enough to go beyond the surface of such abstractions. Sheer masochism! While I applaud their efforts.. better them than me! That said, limiting oneself, for example, to just arithmetic or to only using "natural numbers" seem like such a highly unnatural conditions that one should expect strange consequences like having to go beyond the set to prove what may hold within the set or something. Drawing parallels to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle might come in handy. Maybe not..

 

[Wuwei]

Even I'm not nuts enough to go beyond the surface of such abstractions. Sheer masochism! While I applaud their efforts.. better them than me! That said, limiting oneself, for example, to just arithmetic or to only using "natural numbers" seem like such a highly unnatural conditions that one should expect strange consequences like having to go beyond the set to prove what may hold within the set or something. Drawing parallels to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle might come in handy. Maybe not..

Some metaphysicists (metaphysicians? whatever.) went as far to say that all of science might never be able to be understood!! Others said, balderdash! ("Balderdash was a common explicative at that time.) But still there is the possibility that the future Theory Of Everything may not be approachable with known mathematical concepts. Maybe a Mathematical Uncertainty Principle?

 

[BreezeWood]

Some metaphysicists (metaphysicians? whatever.) went as far to say that all of science might never be able to be understood!! Others said, balderdash! ("Balderdash was a common explicative at that time.) But still there is the possibility that the future Theory Of Everything may not be approachable with known mathematical concepts. Maybe a Mathematical Uncertainty Principle?

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have they an equation for the first cellular organism, certainly not all mathematical - for any complex organism would be an equation to fill a 10000 page document.

the final frontier of science will be the understanding of the spiritual content of the metaphysical physiology that has evolved - forces as gravity and the creation of matter and energy will be involved and has yet to have barely begun - with any results.

regressive nut's as usual are the obstacle for understanding the life of the universe.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I've always been somewhat repulsed by the fact that metaphysics self-identifies as a branch of philosophy and not a part of physics. Speaking of abstraction, while I often find myself greatly admiring the clear genius of weirdos like Ken Wheeler, my eyes invariably glaze over the moment they start hyping metaphysics. This stab at a "thought experiment" serving as another example.

Our ability to fully comprehend much of anything is already limited by us being "only human" (mortal and prone to err). Some of our mistakes inevitably prove critical. For example, imo, folks should have taken Tesla's simple, disgusted critique of Einstein's "warped spacetime" notions far more seriously. "Balderdash!" But such cults of personality are never dismissed so easily, especially when the military's got their behind. "Theoretical" vs "experimental" physics indeed.

Having quickly trashed our old, reliable "electrical science" ball, we've been running around expecting miracles from this forced replacement marked "Team RT / QM" ever since, now cheering on stuff like "the LHC!", "gravity waves!", and "dark energy!" with apparent abandon while Tesla performs involuntary somersaults in his grave. Nope, no call for any "Mathematical Uncertainty Principle" now. We leaped straight out of the boat without our life jackets a long time ago. Freedom baby!

 

[Grumblenuts]

regressive nut's as usual are the obstacle for understanding the life of the universe.

(Thanks for that.)

 

[Wuwei]

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have they an equation for the first cellular organism, certainly not all mathematical - for any complex organism would be an equation to fill a 10000 page document.

the final frontier of science will be the understanding of the spiritual content of the metaphysical physiology that has evolved - forces as gravity and the creation of matter and energy will be involved and has yet to have barely begun - with any results.

regressive nut's as usual are the obstacle for understanding the life of the universe.

My comments were strictly limited to the mathematics of the hard sciences -- Quantum Electrodynamics, the Standard Model of particle physics, etc.

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[konradv]

In this experiment, there was no universe and therefore nothing existed 11 minutes ago. No matter, no energy, no physical space.

Then God created the universe 10 minutes ago, exactly as it is right now, with all the evidence it's billions of years old built-in, with the light from distant stars created in transit, and us with all our memories of a lifetime in place.

Now...how could you disprove this? NOTE: Emotions are not proof. Hostility to God and insistence He's not real is not proof.

You couldn’t tell, but what would be the point of lying to us about how things got started?

 

[BreezeWood]

(Thanks for that.)

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we'll see about that ...
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physiology is a metaphysical substance that will appear wherever conditions are conducive for its development and will disappear when its spiritual content is removed.
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nut's - I'm scared, no it's all from - not believing anything is possible - - it all started 11 minutes ago. from nothing.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Whatever..

 

[DELETED ACCOUNT]

I'm just going to exit the stage before I get banned!

p.s Jesus & God exist

 

[Blues Man]

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that is not correct - through visual observation alone -
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the cicada above transforms its metaphysical physiology including the brain from one being to another while maintaining its spiritual content in suspension while the process takes place -

evolution can not be understood without the recognition each being is composed of both a physical, metaphysical physiology not native to planet Earth but from the universe itself and the spiritual content required for the physiology to reproduce itself in accordance to its continued existence.

It's the same insect.

There is no magical transformation.

The butterfly and the caterpillar it came from have the exact same DNA

 

[BreezeWood]

It's the same insect.

There is no magical transformation.

The butterfly and the caterpillar it came from have the exact same DNA

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What we call spirit or soul or whatever is nothing but a function of the mind. The mind is of the brain and the brain is of the body.

There is no magical transformation.

the cicada above transforms its metaphysical physiology including the brain from one being into another while maintaining its spiritual content in suspension while the process takes place -

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that's your scenario - magical
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but no - the process for the physiology and its spiritual content exists and is an observable, real life occurrence and demonstrates both the physical, physiology as a metaphysical substance and the spiritual content necessary for the physiology to exist. - as an example of the mechanism for evolution and evolutionary progression.

there is no physical brain that remains the same during the transformation their entire physiology is reconfigured from solid to solution to solid - and is coordinated during the process by the spiritual content the physiology is dependent on throughout its existence or will perish to return to the atmosphere it came from.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Meanwhile, back in reality:

The 13- or 17-year lifespan of periodical cicadas is one of the longest of any insect, but only a tiny fraction of that time is spent above ground. The rest of a periodical cicada’s life is spent underground as a nymph feeding on liquid sucked from plant roots. Over their many years beneath the soil, the nymphs shed their exoskeletons, a process known as molting, five times.

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Once topside, the nymphs climb up into the trees where they proceed to plant themselves on a branch and transform into winged adults by once again shedding their exoskeletons. At first, the red-eyed adults are a ghostly white with soft, curled-up wings unfit for flight, but their bodies soon harden and turn black and the now rigid wings can finally float the chunky two-inch bug into the air.

Miraculously:

A Fungus Causes Cicadas to Mate Like Crazy, Even After Their Butts Fall Off

And now scientists think they know why

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Dadoalex]

In this experiment, there was no universe and therefore nothing existed 11 minutes ago. No matter, no energy, no physical space.

Then God created the universe 10 minutes ago, exactly as it is right now, with all the evidence it's billions of years old built-in, with the light from distant stars created in transit, and us with all our memories of a lifetime in place.

Now...how could you disprove this? NOTE: Emotions are not proof. Hostility to God and insistence He's not real is not proof.

You can't prove "it" so why do I have to disprove "it?"

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You're saying that "god" created the universe then lied about it.
Doesn't say much for your "God" does it?

 

[Blues Man]

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that's your scenario - magical
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but no - the process for the physiology and its spiritual content exists and is an observable, real life occurrence and demonstrates both the physical, physiology as a metaphysical substance and the spiritual content necessary for the physiology to exist. - as an example of the mechanism for evolution and evolutionary progression.

there is no physical brain that remains the same during the transformation their entire physiology is reconfigured from solid to solution to solid - and is coordinated during the process by the spiritual content the physiology is dependent on throughout its existence or will perish to return to the atmosphere it came from.

And has nothing to do with a bug.

The brain does what it does and in humans the brain doing what it does manifests in what we call the mind, consciousness, or whatever.

There is no spiritual thing that is in play at all because as we know a traumatic brain injury can permanently alter the function of the brain to the point where the higher functions of the brain no longer operate.

The physical is supposed to be separate from the spiritual and yet what we call spiritual functions can be permanently altered or even rendered extinct by a physical brain injury.

 

[BreezeWood]

Meanwhile, back in reality:

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Miraculously:

A Fungus Causes Cicadas to Mate Like Crazy, Even After Their Butts Fall Off

And now scientists think they know why

www.smithsonianmag.com

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... and transform into winged adults

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the transformation into an avian being is not molting which in the text by - blues man - would use the existing cns in the transformation - the cns (brain) itself in transformation is liquefied and reformed - by the beings spiritual content in control of the process during the transition.

and is the means employed for evolution and evolutionary progressions beyond the single being affecting the metaphysical physiology once established.
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There is no spiritual thing that is in play at all because as we know a traumatic brain injury can permanently alter the function of the brain to the point where the higher functions of the brain no longer operate.

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flora for one, half the species on planet Earth have no cns whatsoever - their physiology obviously has a spiritual content same as fauna as both are inseparable creating the individual living being.
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metaphysical physiology and its spiritual content are inseparable at its lowest level in a coma state they will persist when eventually the spiritual component perishes the physiology dissipates back into the atmosphere.

unless you doubt evolution occurs and progression of each species without that particular brand being in control of their own destiny. you then deny your own identity.

- lowlife, blues man, eats meat not a cow.

 

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the transformation into an avian being is not molting which in the text by - blues man - would use the existing cns in the transformation - the cns (brain) itself in transformation is liquefied and reformed - by the beings spiritual content in control of the process during the transition.

and is the means employed for evolution and evolutionary progressions beyond the single being affecting the metaphysical physiology once established.
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flora for one, half the species on planet Earth have no cns whatsoever - their physiology obviously has a spiritual content same as fauna as both are inseparable creating the individual living being.
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metaphysical physiology and its spiritual content are inseparable at its lowest level in a coma state they will persist when eventually the spiritual component perishes the physiology dissipates back into the atmosphere.

unless you doubt evolution occurs and progression of each species without that particular brand being in control of their own destiny. you then deny your own identity.

- lowlife, blues man, eats meat not a cow.

Assuming cns means consciousness… All living things by definition have some level of consciousness. They don’t necessarily all have a conscience.

But putting this aside is this stuff you have made up on your own or is this something you learned from someone else.

 

[BreezeWood]

Assuming cns means consciousness… All living things by definition have some level of consciousness. They don’t necessarily all have a conscience.

But putting this aside is this stuff you have made up on your own or is this something you learned from someone else.

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yes, all living being's have a conscience, a core value of their spiritual content.

central nervous system - brain and affiliates.

google - the inseparable metaphysical physiology and spiritual content particular for all life forms is universal - not restrictive nor native to planet Earth.

- not a widely held theory, presently.