Tropospheric Hot Spot- Why it does not exist...

[jc456]

Don't you think they would have said "heat" if they meant heat?...they certainly know the word since they used it in the first sentence...then in the second, they said energy so that some goofus like you couldn't say that heat is something other than energy....And once again...it is you who is interpreting...it is a straight forward, unambiguous sentence...it is you and yours who are trying to add ambiguity to it in an effort to support your beliefs.

If you want to be a troll and interpret that word out of context, so be it. You will find yourself disagreeing with all scientists over the last 100 years. But that's the sort of thing trolls do.

Troll? Words out of context?

project much?

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Do you see anything ambiguous there?...any thing in which the context isn't perfectly clear? In fact, I would say that those two are among the most straight forward, unambiguous sentences I have ever read...they simply are not open to misunderstanding...or taking them out of context in any way...

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't you think they would have said "heat" if they meant heat?...they certainly know the word since they used it in the first sentence...then in the second, they said energy so that some goofus like you couldn't say that heat is something other than energy....And once again...it is you who is interpreting...it is a straight forward, unambiguous sentence...it is you and yours who are trying to add ambiguity to it in an effort to support your beliefs.

If you want to be a troll and interpret that word out of context, so be it. You will find yourself disagreeing with all scientists over the last 100 years. But that's the sort of thing trolls do.

Troll? Words out of context?

project much?

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Do you see anything ambiguous there?...any thing in which the context isn't perfectly clear? In fact, I would say that those two are among the most straight forward, unambiguous sentences I have ever read...they simply are not open to misunderstanding...or taking them out of context in any way...

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

 

[jc456]

If you want to be a troll and interpret that word out of context, so be it. You will find yourself disagreeing with all scientists over the last 100 years. But that's the sort of thing trolls do.

Troll? Words out of context?

project much?

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Do you see anything ambiguous there?...any thing in which the context isn't perfectly clear? In fact, I would say that those two are among the most straight forward, unambiguous sentences I have ever read...they simply are not open to misunderstanding...or taking them out of context in any way...

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Troll? Words out of context?

project much?

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Do you see anything ambiguous there?...any thing in which the context isn't perfectly clear? In fact, I would say that those two are among the most straight forward, unambiguous sentences I have ever read...they simply are not open to misunderstanding...or taking them out of context in any way...

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

 

[jc456]

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Do you see anything ambiguous there?...any thing in which the context isn't perfectly clear? In fact, I would say that those two are among the most straight forward, unambiguous sentences I have ever read...they simply are not open to misunderstanding...or taking them out of context in any way...

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

where's the black body radiator?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

where's the black body radiator?

Everywhere you look.

 

[jc456]

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

where's the black body radiator?

Everywhere you look.

funny, don't see one.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

where's the black body radiator?

Everywhere you look.

funny, don't see one.

You're blind and stupid?
Now it all makes sense. LOL!

 

[jc456]

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

where's the black body radiator?

Everywhere you look.

funny, don't see one.

You're blind and stupid?
Now it all makes sense. LOL!

dude, I live here and no fking hot spot. So show me where it is.

 

[SSDD]

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Do you see anything ambiguous there?...any thing in which the context isn't perfectly clear? In fact, I would say that those two are among the most straight forward, unambiguous sentences I have ever read...they simply are not open to misunderstanding...or taking them out of context in any way...

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

The SB law applies to black bodies and gray bodies....is a CO2 molecule either?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Amazing...the lengths they will go to isn't it...look at these sentences...

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object.

Amazing, those sentences don't say anything about smart photons measuring the temperature of all matter.

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

The SB law applies to black bodies and gray bodies....is a CO2 molecule either?

Yes. Obviously.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

where's the black body radiator?

Everywhere you look.

funny, don't see one.

You're blind and stupid?
Now it all makes sense. LOL!

dude, I live here and no fking hot spot. So show me where it is.

None of the matter near you emits IR? Cool!

 

[SSDD]

again photons are energy and again:

"Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object."

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

The SB law applies to black bodies and gray bodies....is a CO2 molecule either?

Yes. Obviously.

Is it? You think a CO2 molecule is either a black body or a gray body?....got any support for your belief?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

again photons are energy and again:

Again, if you could find someone, anyone, who ever said the 2nd Law means photons don't travel from colder matter toward warmer matter, you might have a point. But you can't because you don't.

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

The SB law applies to black bodies and gray bodies....is a CO2 molecule either?

Yes. Obviously.

Is it? You think a CO2 molecule is either a black body or a gray body?....got any support for your belief?

Is it?

Isn't it?

All matter above 0K emits radiation, except CO2? You could get a Nobel if you could prove it.

 

[SSDD]

why don't you show us where they said they could.

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

The SB law applies to black bodies and gray bodies....is a CO2 molecule either?

Yes. Obviously.

Is it? You think a CO2 molecule is either a black body or a gray body?....got any support for your belief?

Is it?

Isn't it?

All matter above 0K emits radiation, except CO2? You could get a Nobel if you could prove it.

Didn't think so.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Right here:

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

For hot objects other than ideal radiators, the law is expressed in the form:

where e is the emissivity of the object (e = 1 for ideal radiator). If the hot object is radiating energy to its cooler surroundings at temperature Tc, the net radiation loss rate takes the form

The Stefan-Boltzmann relationship is also related to the energy density in the radiation in a given volume of space.

Stefan-Boltzmann Law

The SB law applies to black bodies and gray bodies....is a CO2 molecule either?

Yes. Obviously.

Is it? You think a CO2 molecule is either a black body or a gray body?....got any support for your belief?

Is it?

Isn't it?

All matter above 0K emits radiation, except CO2? You could get a Nobel if you could prove it.

Didn't think so.

You going to prove that CO2 is unique and doesn't emit radiation?
That's a disappointment.

 

[Wuwei]

the context is that energy won't move spontaneously from cool to warm...and it is more than clear that you are the one interpreting...altering...attempting to read something into the statement that isn't there....

Nope, The context was heat. Read it again.

And disagreeing with scientists is nothing new...nor unusual...and if one looks at history...and one disagrees with mainstream science...espeically science not grounded solidly in observation, then one has a better than average chance of being right...you have apparently elevated science to a position of religion in your mind...and have made the practitioners infallible....your zealotry has made it impossible to view science with anything like cold calculating rationality...any disagreement with your dogma brings on an instant attack...just as it is with all religious zealots.

My "zealotry" is supported by all scientists of the last 100 years.
Certainly, when well respected scientists disagree, that is one thing. But when your naive anti-science zealotry disagrees with science, it is meaningless.

 

[Wuwei]

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

etc...............

Finally you are talking language that JC will be able to understand.

 

[SSDD]

The thermal energy radiated by a blackbody radiator per second per unit area is proportional to the fourth power of the absolute temperature and is given by

etc...............

Finally you are talking language that JC will be able to understand.

Guess you are both unaware that that formula applies to a theoretical black body in a vacuum....take it out of the vacuum and put it in the presence of other matter and the formula changes to reflect the fact that in the presence of matter, the black body radiates according to its area, its emissivity, and the difference between its own temperature and the temperature of its surroundings...Make its own temperature and the temperature of its surroundings the same and P=0

 

[Crick]

All bodes radiate according to their area, their emissivity. Surely it must irk you to add complications to this scenario that accomplish nothing save to make you and your ideas look as stupid as stupid can be. Matter cannot control, throttle or aim its emissions. You cannot violate special relativity. You are a fool to think otherwise.