Trump Wants To Take Away Former Intelligence Agency Employees Security Clearances

[busybee01]

How is he in any legal jeopardy whatsoever? this is the first I have heard of this

How about lying to a FISA judge to get a surveillance warrant on an American citizen???? thought that libs were sickened by that kind of law enforcement corruption....guess not...

Never happened. The evidence clearly shows that they had sufficient grounds to obtain a FISA warrant,

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How is he in any legal jeopardy whatsoever? this is the first I have heard of this

How about lying to a FISA judge to get a surveillance warrant on an American citizen???? thought that libs were sickened by that kind of law enforcement corruption....guess not...

Never happened. The evi9dence clearly shows that they had sufficient grounds to obtain a FISA warrant,

Correct. And already republican lawmakers are affirming this as part of their ongoing, somewhat sheepish effort to rebuke the child president.

 

[JGalt]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

Those people whose security clearances he wants to revoke have abused their power and have done some very bad things, among which is failure to indict the Democratic candidate for the numerous felonies she committed, the attempted unseating of a standing President, and the overturning of a legal American presidential election.

They should not only have their clearances yanked, they should be behind bars. If you don't see this by now, you really don't understand what has happened in this country.

This is not a banana republic. They have not abused their power and there is no evidence of a crime. Innocent until proven guilty in court is the standard. They should not be behind bars. If you don't see this then you are a fascist pig.

The revocation of a security clearance does not require a jury. Any judge can deem a person ineligible to posses a security clearance...

"There is, however, no jury and the judge will make a recommendation to the agency based on the evidence presented."

Security Clearance Revocation Hearings - The Law Office of Eric Roper, P.A.

 

[busybee01]

How about lying to a FISA judge to get a surveillance warrant on an American citizen????

How about... no such jeopardy exists, and you just made that up? Seems like my version is aligned with reality, unlike your fantasy...

Of course they lied to get the FISA Warrant.

"In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts," Nunes wrote. "However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted."

Nunes has been thoroughly discredited. That has been proven by looking at the information that Trump made public.

 

[JGalt]

''bout damn time

He's getting ready to Wag the Dog. The closer Trump gets to being impeached, the closer Trump will get to put our military into harms way.

More "The sky is falling" nonsense. President Trump has done more for the military and the security of this country, than Obama ever dreamed of.

 

[busybee01]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

For the slow and STUPID, a Clearance does not of and in itself grant access to classified information. Nor does having one or not effect ones 1st Amendment rights. When you leave a Job with a clearance the clearance is put on hold until a certain amount of time has passed and is then eliminated. One only keeps a clearance if they get another job that requires one.

Isn't it convenient that one can claim to know something with out any ACTUAL evidence? When a conservative does that you claim they are lying, when a liberal does it you claim they denied the right to share their "proof". Rather hypocritical and also convenient.

You are missing the point. He said they are using their former positions and the fact they had and continue to have the security clearances to MAKE MONEY off of it by being able to use it as a qualification to speak on subjects. It's not about making money off of actually talking about Classified information, which is illegal for them to do so. The fact Trump pointed them out specifically when saying this, is that was infringing on their First Amendment rights. There are others out there doing the EXACT same thing as they are, making money off of using their qualifications doing tv appearances, that Trump didn't mention.

This wouldn't be an issue if Trump and his people just said he planned to stop the practice altogether with EVERYONE now and in the future, and it would accomplish the same goal... but because his ego would not permit it, he HAD TO point them out by name.

 

[task0778]

How is he in any legal jeopardy whatsoever? this is the first I have heard of this

How about lying to a FISA judge to get a surveillance warrant on an American citizen???? thought that libs were sickened by that kind of law enforcement corruption....guess not...

Never happened. The evidence clearly shows that they had sufficient grounds to obtain a FISA warrant,

This is a flat out lie. The only grounds they had was that fucking Steele dossier that was based on Russian sources and totally unverified then and now, and paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. How can anyone possibly say the FBI/DOJ had sufficient grounds? Bull fucking shit!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

Nobody has a First Amendment right to a security clearance. I'm ambivalent on this action, but it may not be a bad idea. Clapper should be in prison over the fact he lied to Congress and the American people over illegal NSA spying and they're still doing it. Rice lied about the motive behind the Benghazi attacks and Comey was grossly incompetent. If this had been the private sector these people would have been out on their ass almost immediately and some of them prosecuted for what they did.

 

[2aguy]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

Moron....security clearences are not a 1st amendment issue......

 

[2aguy]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

Nobody has a First Amendment right to a security clearance. I'm ambivalent on this action, but it may not be a bad idea. Clapper should be in prison over the fact he lied to Congress and the American people over illegal NSA spying and they're still doing it. Rice lied about the motive behind the Benghazi attacks and Comey was grossly incompetent. If this had been the private sector these people would have been out on their ass almost immediately and some of them prosecuted for what they did.

Anyone leaving the Federal government should immediately loose their clearances...just as policy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The only grounds they had was that fucking Steele dossier that was based on Russian sources and totally unverified then and now

Totally false. The fact that this is false is literally the entire revelation of the release of the application. Damn you people are immune to facts and reality....

 

[flacaltenn]

If they can't keep their mouths shut they should lose their clearance and it's a stretch for the OP to say Trump wants to take away their first amendment rights. That's ridiculous but then look who is saying it.

There are people with Security Clearances on Fox network who use their positions to make money there... but they aren't on Trump's list. THAT'S why it is a First Amendment issue.

Trump is only doing this to his political opponents, NOT ALL people with former positions and Security Clearances that are making money from it.

THEY (others with clearances) are not using their Network contract to DEFEND their OWN criminal actions and blowing chaff. Clapper is.. This is not about silencing him. It's about cutting off his access to national security secrets because he's acting deranged. I know my clearances would be yanked for less.

You do not know that. The only one acting deranged is Trump.

Clapper is fighting to stay out of handcuffs and CNN is an accomplice. He recently essentially accused Trump of treason because he suggested that the President is "a Russian asset". He's going down. And old ex chief spies don't go down without a fight.

Clapper: Russia is handling Trump as an 'asset' - CNN Video

 

[busybee01]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

For the slow and STUPID, a Clearance does not of and in itself grant access to classified information. Nor does having one or not effect ones 1st Amendment rights. When you leave a Job with a clearance the clearance is put on hold until a certain amount of time has passed and is then eliminated. One only keeps a clearance if they get another job that requires one.

Isn't it convenient that one can claim to know something with out any ACTUAL evidence? When a conservative does that you claim they are lying, when a liberal does it you claim they denied the right to share their "proof". Rather hypocritical and also convenient.

You are missing the point. He said they are using their former positions and the fact they had and continue to have the security clearances to MAKE MONEY off of it by being able to use it as a qualification to speak on subjects. It's not about making money off of actually talking about Classified information, which is illegal for them to do so. The fact Trump pointed them out specifically when saying this, is that was infringing on their First Amendment rights. There are others out there doing the EXACT same thing as they are, making money off of using their qualifications doing tv appearances, that Trump didn't mention.

This wouldn't be an issue if Trump and his people just said he planned to stop the practice altogether with EVERYONE now and in the future, and it would accomplish the same goal... but because his ego would not permit it, he HAD TO point them out by name.

They are not. I have never seen a guest introduced by their security clearance. Some people may use their clearances to advise various groups. What they say has nothing to do with their security clearances so long as they are not giving out top secret information publicly.

 

[flacaltenn]

He's fighting to stay out of cuffs at the moment.

How is he in any legal jeopardy whatsoever? this is the first I have heard of this.

And, of course, nothing he has done meets any legal standard of "sedition", so I have to wonder who is giving you legal advice...

Clapper? He lied about the dossier. MARKETED it as an "Official US Intel Report". Has his fingers all over leaks to media that made the POS document sound important enough to USE as the primary excuse to SPY on an opposition political campaign with the MOST AWESOME spy tools ever known to man.

He's one of main culprits in that sedition. And he lies about most everything. INCLUDING the existence and substance of Patriot Act Big Brother system that HE tossed the keys to the FBI to use to undermine and influence an election.

Biggest political scandal of your lifetime. You just don't realize that yet tho..

Steele had actually been a U.S. intel asset many times before the dossier.

So what? He took a job with the best slime and destroy agency in Washington. He gets what he was paid to do. Some folks will do anything for political power or money.

 

[busybee01]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.AS

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

And as already correctly noted: Trump is petty, vindictive, and spiteful – Trump is clearly unfit to be president.

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A fancy cuckoo clock.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He's fighting to stay out of cuffs at the moment.

How is he in any legal jeopardy whatsoever? this is the first I have heard of this.

And, of course, nothing he has done meets any legal standard of "sedition", so I have to wonder who is giving you legal advice...

Clapper? He lied about the dossier. MARKETED it as an "Official US Intel Report". Has his fingers all over leaks to media that made the POS document sound important enough to USE as the primary excuse to SPY on an opposition political campaign with the MOST AWESOME spy tools ever known to man.

He's one of main culprits in that sedition. And he lies about most everything. INCLUDING the existence and substance of Patriot Act Big Brother system that HE tossed the keys to the FBI to use to undermine and influence an election.

Biggest political scandal of your lifetime. You just don't realize that yet tho..

Steele had actually been a U.S. intel asset many times before the dossier.

So what? He took a job with the best slime and destroy agency in Washington. He gets what he was paid to do. Some folks will do anything for political power or money.

I suppose that would include laundering criminal Russian money in exchange for material support in an election....

 

[busybee01]

If they can't keep their mouths shut they should lose their clearance and it's a stretch for the OP to say Trump wants to take away their first amendment rights. That's ridiculous but then look who is saying it.

They don't have to keep their mouths shut. Security clearances should not be politicized.

They do concerning security issues. If people like you had been in charge we would have been wiped out in WW2.

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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Security clearances should not rely on politics as long as they use the information properly. Their politics should have nothing to do with it.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

Sooo he wants to take away the 1st Amendment rights of former federal employees to be able to talk about their life experiences because he doesn't like what they have to say. His excuses is they are making money off of it and that what they are saying is lies.

So a couple of things here... Almost EVERY former higher up federal employee have done interviews, done speeches, and written books after their retirement. That includes former Presidents. Why is Trump picking on ONLY people saying bad things about him? Shouldn't this be a universal decision to take it away from ALL FORMER federal employees?

The second and largest thing is, they are using the excuse that it is inappropriate to criticize Trump because of their former position and that they are doing so without any evidence. Well then does Trump want them to instead go on air and tell the truth and all the stuff they know whether it is Top Secret information? What a chicken shit thing for the White House to say... "You can't criticize the President about something you aren't showing proof of" when they KNOW that they can't share the Top Secret information they DO KNOW.

The question here is "former". Why would you want former employees have clearances for jobs they no longer hold? Does this mean Clinton still has Top Secret Clearances.?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Trump the petty tinpot dictator – needlessly lashing out that those whom he incorrectly perceives to be ‘enemies.’

 

[2aguy]

He's fighting to stay out of cuffs at the moment.

How is he in any legal jeopardy whatsoever? this is the first I have heard of this.

And, of course, nothing he has done meets any legal standard of "sedition", so I have to wonder who is giving you legal advice...

Clapper? He lied about the dossier. MARKETED it as an "Official US Intel Report". Has his fingers all over leaks to media that made the POS document sound important enough to USE as the primary excuse to SPY on an opposition political campaign with the MOST AWESOME spy tools ever known to man.

He's one of main culprits in that sedition. And he lies about most everything. INCLUDING the existence and substance of Patriot Act Big Brother system that HE tossed the keys to the FBI to use to undermine and influence an election.

Biggest political scandal of your lifetime. You just don't realize that yet tho..

Steele had actually been a U.S. intel asset many times before the dossier.

So what? He took a job with the best slime and destroy agency in Washington. He gets what he was paid to do. Some folks will do anything for political power or money.

I suppose that would include laundering criminal Russian money in exchange for material support in an election....

But hilary also gave them 20% of our uranium besides getting them to help her in the election...