Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[DonGlock26]

 

[Rawley]

No, Plessy outright ignored the Constitution.

Dude, it was the Supreme Court's interpretation of the clear "equal" language in the 14th. Like the way you are interpreting the Wong court's interpretation of the words "subject to" in the 14th.

If you won't even admit that fundamental point, there really is no point in discussing it any further with you.

 

[beagle9]

Ahhh... so much effort into an argument you WILL eventually lose.



No, that's not a problem. People forging documents NOW isn't a reason to go back and doubt the origin of people born 40 years ago. (Especially when said person can show a lifetime of residency here.) This is Human Reptile Steven Miller perverting a situation to abuse brown people.



This has to be the stupidest argument yet. (Especially coming from the party that wants to give human rights to frozen embryos)



I would guess, they would go home, register their child as a citizen of their home country, and whichever country has precedence. Most countries don't allow dual citizenship, so this probably wouldn't be an issue until the child reaches the age of majority.

Now, interesting aside. My father was born in Germany, immigrated here as a baby, and became a US Citizen when he was about 4 years old. Now, not sure how that jives with your "Babies can't be subject to laws" nonsense, but there it is. He was drafted into the US Army in 1943, but seen with suspicion due to his German heritage. (They made him a medic because they didn't trust him with a gun. He was also the unit translator.)

Still, despite all that, until the day he died, he held both US and German citizenship.



Actually, it was probably assumed he was a citizen, which is why he sued when they tried to deny him re-entry. Wong's parents went back to China, he got married, and then tried to re-enter the US with his new wife despite the Chinese Exclusion Act.



Well, you keep working on that, but it probably wasn't an issue, for White people from Europe. The first real restrictions on them didn't happen until the 1920's. The only reason WHY it was an issue for Wong was that the US had passed first the Page Act and then the Chinese Exclusion Act trying to keep Chinese out. (

(also, could you please capitalize Wong's name, it's very annoying.)



Except the word Gun never appears in the 2A. The word Militia does, which is why for most of your history we've had reasonable gun laws... until the Gun industry realized that crazy people are their best customers.



Except this was never an issue at the time, at least for white immigrants.



That's an easy one. Having a child here does not grant one residency, so any minor child would still be in the custody of their parents. But they would still be US citizens.

This is the problem, for guys like you who fear "anchor babies", is that a child cannot "sponsor" it's parents for immigration status until they are 21 years of age.

Now, that's what I would call playing a long game.



Again, not capitalizing Wong Kim Ark's name.

This is largely a moot point, because the courts have ruled in other cases that children, documented or not, have certain rights. Plyler v. Doe said states cannot deny education to undocumented Children. Nor could they charge the families of undocumented children a fee to educate them.




Not at all, going back to the example of Papa B131, he held dual citizen of two countries, at a time when they were ACTUALLY AT WAR WITH EACH OTHER. Germany didn't revoke the citizenship of my dad for fighting against Germany during WWII. You'd think that would have been a good reason, but no.

(He never returned to Germany after the war, although his sister visited the relatives over there in the 1970s)



Actually, it's not an argument.

Let's take China, which I am finding out, courtesy of Mrs. B131, doesn't allow dual citizenship. If my wife puts her hand up in front of the flag, China will revoke her citizenship.

So let's say their parents renounce US citizenship, that doesn't mean on Jrs' 21st birthday, he can't reclaim it.

You can write a book if you want here, but it's a huge waste of your time. Why ? Because The Trump Administration is in charge now, and you Democrat's are proving daily what kind of butt hurt sore losers that you all truly are.

Bet you all wish that everything you people done, otherwise in hope's to destroy the republican party by way of Trump, uhhh was just a nightmare that you could wake up from, but of course you can't.

 

[JoeB131]

Dude, it was the Supreme Court's interpretation of the clear "equal" language in the 14th. Like the way you are interpreting the Wong court's interpretation of the words "subject to" in the 14th.

If you won't even admit that fundamental point, there really is no point in discussing it any further with you.

Actually, there's really no wiggle room.

If you think that "the constitution says what SCOTUS says it does", then you might have to deal with the ATF showing up at your door to confiscate your guns because you dont' belong to a militia.

 

[JoeB131]

You can write a book if you want here, but it's a huge waste of your time. Why ? Because The Trump Administration is in charge now, and you Democrat's are proving daily what kind of butt hurt sore losers that you all truly are.

Bet you all wish that everything you people done, otherwise in hope's to destroy the republican party by way of Trump, uhhh was just a nightmare that you could wake up from, but of course you can't.

It's going to be a nightmare for about two years, until Trump collapses the economy and the people Put the Dems back in for Impeachment #3.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Ignore Ram Us Drags On As If Open Minded While Putting Difficult Challenges On Ignore "

* Refuses To Complete A Sentence And Explain The Term THEREOF *

Guy, we are goign around in fucking circles. If you can arrest immigrants for breaking US laws (including ironically immigration laws) then they're subject to US Jurisdiction.

An entitlement to citizenship is based on being subject to the jurisdiction THEREOF .

Explain what the term THEREOF means .

* Theft By Incursion No Doubt About It *

Therefore, any babies they drop here are US Citizens.

If an illegal stole food , clothes and housing they would be called thieves .

Sneak across the border and steal 18 years of social subsistence and buffoons act like fruit cakes dazzled by " oh , look at the little baby " and moronically ignore the theft .

* Kim Wrong Ark Parents Were Subjects Of Us Jurisdiction As Subjects By Title Through Legal Visa And Good Standing *

Even the Roberts Court isn't going to stand the Constitution on its head to please Cheeto Hitler.

The @realdonaldtrump on truth social has had access to dissertations on the meaning for THEREOF in us 14th amendment , while comments that illegals are not " subject to us jurisdiction " are ignorant and contrary with the actual implied meaning that one must be a SUBJECT OF US JURISDICTION .

 

[Monk-Eye]

" National Interests Over Globalist Ass Clowns "

* Libertines Selling Americans Out And Shirking Public Debt *

All that and I don't even know what you said. Or what you are saying. Or who's side you are on. Do you or do you not like immigrants?

The Public Private Trust challenges as to why selective endowment is any more or less ethical than egalitarianism .

Again , immigrants are not the issue , in 1996 the welfare reform act sought to get rid of generational welfare , by not granting additional stipend for additional children , yet now imbeciles are giving away us citizenship first come first birthed and giving away providence of us social subsistence through theft by incursion , which are undermining financial sensibility and us sovereignty .

* Selfish Egocentrics Ignore Collaborative Infrastructure And Allegiance *

Libertarians want no regulations. ZERO. And let the market decide. If a US company wants to import immigrants to do some work, then send them home, libertarians say that's fine. Let the market decide. The answer is always less regulations.

Extreme libertarians can go fuck themselves ; the arrogant simpleton pricks ignore that they did not arrive at the conveniences and opportunities they have all by themselves .

The us people are getting screwed from both ends , the left wing wants more destitute fodder for its socialist revolution and bureaucratic control , while the economic libertarians want globalism and cheap labor ; they are both in on mass importation of illegal migrants and disavowing of us populace .

 

[beagle9]

It's going to be a nightmare for about two years, until Trump collapses the economy and the people Put the Dems back in for Impeachment #3.

You are a funny man...lol

Maybe you should become a comedian because you love living in fantasy land.

 

[Rawley]

Actually, there's really no wiggle room.

There wasn't in Plessy either.

If you think that "the constitution says what SCOTUS says it does", then you might have to deal with the ATF showing up at your door to confiscate your guns because you dont' belong to a militia.

Nope. They decided that already. See Heller. You really can't be this clueless in how this works, can you?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Guy, we are goign around in fucking circles. If you can arrest immigrants for breaking US laws (including ironically immigration laws) then they're subject to US Jurisdiction.

Therefore, any babies they drop here are US Citizens.

Even the Roberts Court isn't going to stand the Constitution on its head to please Cheeto Hitler.


Because for the most part, they weren't born here.
And their citizenship wasn't at issue, just whether the state had an obligation to educate them.




It would depend on the circumstances. If they were at the end of an H1B visa, and required to go home, yes. If they were legitimately seeking asylum, not so much. But their kids would still have the right to citizenship upon adulthood.

Look at the words of the 1866 civil rights act: "all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed …"


Subject to any foreign power, similar language is present in the amendment.


Native Americans weren't not granted citizenship because they weren't subject to our laws, it was because tribal lands were considered their own sovereign nations, and the natives were subject to that nation from which they came.

 

[sealybobo]

" National Interests Over Globalist Ass Clowns "

* Libertines Selling Americans Out And Shirking Public Debt *

The Public Private Trust challenges as to why selective endowment is any more or less ethical than egalitarianism .

Again , immigrants are not the issue , in 1996 the welfare reform act sought to get rid of generational welfare , by not granting additional stipend for additional children , yet now imbeciles are giving away us citizenship first come first birthed and giving away providence of us social subsistence through theft by incursion , which are undermining financial sensibility and us sovereignty .

* Selfish Egocentrics Ignore Collaborative Infrastructure And Allegiance *

Extreme libertarians can go fuck themselves ; the arrogant simpleton pricks ignore that they did not arrive at the conveniences

and opportunities they have all by themselves .

The us people are getting screwed from both ends , the left wing wants more destitute fodder for its socialist revolution and bureaucratic control , while the economic libertarians want globalism and cheap labor ; they are both in on mass importation of illegal migrants and disavowing of us populace .

I agree. We can't have extreme libertarianism. They would say if we can get the cheapest fruit from undocumented workers, do it. Let the market decide. If Trump golf courses hire undocumented workers, golfers can choose not to golf on that golf course if it bothers them. Tyson chicken keeps it's prices down at it's chicken processing plants by hiring undocumented workers.

Back when 35% of American workers were in Unions, workers didn't allow this. They would tell the government and the government would come down on the illegal employer.

The Republicans is split on this issue too. There's the "build the wall" Republicans vs the Corporatists. We have known this since at least 2006

Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America. Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are...

www.thomhartmann.com

 

[beagle9]

I agree. We can't have extreme libertarianism. They would say if we can get the cheapest fruit from undocumented workers, do it. Let the market decide. If Trump golf courses hire undocumented workers, golfers can choose not to golf on that golf course if it bothers them. Tyson chicken keeps it's prices down at it's chicken processing plants by hiring undocumented workers.

Back when 35% of American workers were in Unions, workers didn't allow this. They would tell the government and the government would come down on the illegal employer.

The Republicans is split on this issue too. There's the "build the wall" Republicans vs the Corporatists. We have known this since at least 2006

Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America. Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are...

www.thomhartmann.com

Living in the past won't do you and your ilk any good.

 

[sealybobo]

Living in the past won't do you and your ilk any good.

Why not? Look at how Naziism has made a comeback.

Look how unions are making a comeback. In fact unions made great gains for their members in 2024. All those healthcare workers struck and won. Now they make more. Auto workers. Screen Actors. Casino workers. Starbucks, Amazon workers, teamsters. Target. Etc. Remember that dock worker strike right before the election? They got big raises too. Without unions labor would be screwed. No seat at the table.

If it weren't for unions uneducated blue collar workers would make much less.

 

[beagle9]

Why not? Look at how Naziism has made a comeback.

Look how unions are making a comeback. In fact unions made great gains for their members in 2024. All those healthcare workers struck and won. Now they make more. Auto workers. Screen Actors. Casino workers. Starbucks, Amazon workers, teamsters. Target. Etc. Remember that dock worker strike right before the election? They got big raises too. Without unions labor would be screwed. No seat at the table.

If it weren't for unions uneducated blue collar workers would make much less.

You and your ilk call Nazism because you want the leftist agenda to rein supreme in this nation, but you know damned good and well that the nation has had enough of the leftist bull chit. Stop living in denial.

The left-

Should have never attacked parents of children at the school board meetings.


Should have never pushed an agenda that target's children.

Should have never pushed for men in women's sports.

Should have never pushed for boy's in girl's bathroom's or locker room's.

Should have never encouraged or pushed transgenderism for children.

Should have kept sex in the adult's bedroom.

Should have never open the border in violation of U.S. law.

Should have never allowed unfettered illegal immigration to the point of a national crisis.

Should have never allowed child trafficking as a result of unchecked borders or illegal immigration on steroids.

Should have NEVER been tolerant for one second on drug's coming across the border.

Should have never turned a blind eye to all the things that have denigrated American's lives instead of lifted them up.

 

[JoeB131]

There wasn't in Plessy either.

Nope. They decided that already. See Heller. You really can't be this clueless in how this works, can you?

And you are making my point.

So the Dems retake the WH in 2028, after having retaken Congress in 2026. No wingnut gets on the court after that. The next three appointments are ACLU and Brady approved.

Suddenly, the Second Amendment is about militias again.

 

[Rawley]

And you are making my point.

So the Dems retake the WH in 2028, after having retaken Congress in 2026. No wingnut gets on the court after that. The next three appointments are ACLU and Brady approved.

Suddenly, the Second Amendment is about militias again.

Good luck with all of that

 

[JoeB131]

Good luck with all of that

Shouldn't be a problem.

Trump's nonsense will wear very thin very quickly.

 

[beagle9]

And you are making my point.

So the Dems retake the WH in 2028, after having retaken Congress in 2026. No wingnut gets on the court after that. The next three appointments are ACLU and Brady approved.

Suddenly, the Second Amendment is about militias again.

Dream on leftist.... Can't do anything with what you people have brought upon yourselves now, so your only hope is for 2026 and 2028 eh ? Rotflmbo

Good luck... You have till those dates to figure out how to push back against a title wave of pure anger over what you people have done in this country for 65 year's now.

America should never forget what you people have done and for whom you people truly are. NEVER !!!!

 

[Rawley]

Shouldn't be a problem.

Trump's nonsense will wear very thin very quickly.

LOL Elon and Trump cut a trillion dollars out of the budget and people realize it has had zero, ZERO impact on their lives, that won't wear thin.

 

[JoeB131]

Dream on leftist.... Can't do anything with what you people have brought upon yourselves now, so your only hope is for 2026 and 2028 eh ? Rotflmbo

Good luck... You have till those dates to figure out how to push back against a title wave of pure anger over what you people have done in this country for 65 year's now.

America should never forget what you people have done and for whom you people truly are. NEVER !!!!

I'm not sure what a "title wave" is.

You only got 49% of the vote. While this is a new and exciting thing for you, it's hardly a mandate or even a "tidal wave" And when people find out eggs aren't getting cheaper and granny's social security check was stolen by DOGE, that anger is going to turn very quickly.