Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[JoeB131]

Noope, I think the part of "jurisdiction" doesn't mean just the laws, it encompasses more than that. The people who wrote the amendment told us so, the civil rights act of 1866 told us so. There are various references to how that phrase was used back in the day, but none of the arguments I've read have said anything about just being subject to laws.

Except it wasn't written into the amendment for a good reason.

They WANTED immigrants to come here and have babies. We had all this land to settle and farm, and we wanted white people from Europe to come here and settle it.

Which means we wanted to give them incentives like, "If you drop a baby here, he's a citizen, which will be kind of awesome if he isn't mangled by a threshing machine!"

"Whoops, Little Luigi got sucked into the threshing machine! Better get another one!!!"

 

[ThisIsMe]

Except it wasn't written into the amendment for a good reason.

They WANTED immigrants to come here and have babies. We had all this land to settle and farm, and we wanted white people from Europe to come here and settle it.

Which means we wanted to give them incentives like, "If you drop a baby here, he's a citizen, which will be kind of awesome if he isn't mangled by a threshing machine!"

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"Whoops, Little Luigi got sucked into the threshing machine! Better get another one!!!"

Then why did they create rules for immigration and naturalization?

 

[JoeB131]

Then why did they create rules for immigration and naturalization?

Bigotry, mostly.

No one has a problem with immigrants showing up until the Chinese started arriving. Then we suddenly "needed" immigration laws.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Bigotry, mostly.

No one has a problem with immigrants showing up until the Chinese started arriving. Then we suddenly "needed" immigration laws.

Not all Chinese, just Chinese laborers. Merchants and the like could still become citizens.

 

[JoeB131]

Not all Chinese, just Chinese laborers. Merchants and the like could still become citizens.

Go back and read the Chinese Exclusion Act. It didn't want any Chinese here. And that didn't change until the 1940s and China was our ally.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Go back and read the Chinese Exclusion Act. It didn't want any Chinese here. And that didn't change until the 1940s and China was our ally.

Chinese Exclusion Act - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The law made exceptions for merchants, teachers, students, travelers, and diplomats.

 

[JoeB131]

Chinese Exclusion Act - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The law made exceptions for merchants, teachers, students, travelers, and diplomats.

In short, people who were transitory, not those who wanted to put down roots.

 

[MarathonMike]

If we have a fire in a nuclear plant and no one who knows how to handle it, it can be a big deal.

Fortunately, Homer Simpson isn't real.

 

[JoeB131]

Fortunately, Homer Simpson isn't real.

No, but thousands of nuclear weapons specialists with limited skill sets were.

It looked pretty silly when Musk fired them and then they had to scramble to rehire them.

 

[beagle9]

Uh, guy, it's up to DOGE to review the files of people they are letting go, not "give me a list of employees and I'll fire anyone who has less than XX amount of seniority."




Does he? Because I see a lot of stories about Teslas (AKA Swasticars) being rolling deathtraps. Like that nice Chinese lady who drowned because she couldn't get out of her Telsa truck.

Oh so now the nerds are against Tesla ? So here we have a modern technocratic engineer forging a path into the future, but because he recognizes the Truth when he sees it, now the nerds want to throw him under the bus ? I got an idea, maybe the nerds shouldn't hitch their nerd wagon up to corruption in so that their modern utopia isn't threatened by it all.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh so now the nerds are against Tesla ? So here we have a modern technocratic engineer forging a path into the future, but because he recognizes the Truth when he sees it, now the nerds want to throw him under the bus ? I got an idea, maybe the nerds shouldn't hitch their nerd wagon up to corruption in so that their modern utopia isn't threatened by it all.

I was never for Tesla.

But, um, yeah, Musk is alienating his best customers around the world, which is why he's so keen to get big government contracts for overpriced shit for the military.

 

[ThisIsMe]

In short, people who were transitory, not those who wanted to put down roots.

The Act did not apply to all Chinese people. Specifically, Chinese merchants, teachers, students, travelers, and diplomats were allowed to immigrate and were not subject to the same exclusionary measures. These individuals, due to their non-laborer status, could be eligible for naturalization.

 

[JoeB131]

The Act did not apply to all Chinese people. Specifically, Chinese merchants, teachers, students, travelers, and diplomats were allowed to immigrate and were not subject to the same exclusionary measures. These individuals, due to their non-laborer status, could be eligible for naturalization.

It didn't apply to people who weren't planning to stay. (A merchant, by definition, isn't planning to be a resident, as are students, teachers, travellers and diplomats.)

You are getting into the weeds here, buddy.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It didn't apply to people who weren't planning to stay. (A merchant, by definition, isn't planning to be a resident, as are students, teachers, travellers and diplomats.)

You are getting into the weeds here, buddy.

It says they would be eligible for naturalization. That means they can be citizens.

 

[JoeB131]

It says they would be eligible for naturalization. That means they can be citizens.

You didn't even read the article you posted, did you buddy?

 

[ThisIsMe]

You didn't even read the article you posted, did you buddy?

I did? It said not all Chinese were subject to the exclusion act.

Chinese merchants, teachers, students, travelers, and diplomats were allowed to immigrate and were not subject to the same exclusionary measures. These individuals, due to their non-laborer status, could be eligible for naturalization.

 

[JoeB131]

I did? It said not all Chinese were subject to the exclusion act.

Chinese merchants, teachers, students, travelers, and diplomats were allowed to immigrate and were not subject to the same exclusionary measures. These individuals, due to their non-laborer status, could be eligible for naturalization.

It says they could come here, not that they were eligible for naturalization.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It says they could come here, not that they were eligible for naturalization.

But the ban specifically stated "chinese laborers".

Still, this gets away from the point. Wong Kim Arks parents would have been citizens if not for the act.

His parents were lawful permanent residents.

These are the reasons for that ruling.

 

[JoeB131]

But the ban specifically stated "chinese laborers".

Still, this gets away from the point. Wong Kim Arks parents would have been citizens if not for the act.

His parents were lawful permanent residents.

These are the reasons for that ruling.

Yes, but the ruling didn't grant them citizenship, just him, because he was born here.

His parents returned to China.

He returned to China a couple of times. It was only when they tried to block him he said, "Hey, I was born here! I'm a citizen".

And the court agreed.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yes, but the ruling didn't grant them citizenship, just him, because he was born here.

His parents returned to China.

He returned to China a couple of times. It was only when they tried to block him he said, "Hey, I was born here! I'm a citizen".

And the court agreed.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

www.law.cornell.edu

The Supreme Court held that citizenship as prescribed in the Fourteenth Amendment extends to U.S.-born children of foreign subjects or citizens who, at the time of the child’s birth, are permanent residents and are carrying on business in the United States.

If that last sentence were not true, would they have ruled the same?

With all the talk about "owing allegience" as being a part of "jurisdiction", it's hard to see they meant anything else.


Look at it like this, if they WANTED more immigration as you stated, then why would they have put ANY restrictions on it? Either through the 14th amendment or the Chinese exclusion act. If they were trying to increase immigration, they would have just said "anyone that shows up and takes the oath, is a citizen".

It's obvious that wasn't their intent.