UN Rejects Palestinian Statehood Resolution

[P F Tinmore]

The UN resolution reads different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to do that? Does the UN have the authority to change international borders?

Link?

Nice deflection !

Whenever you lose the argument, you resort to asking for links that don't exist. You are wrong, again. Get over it.

I asked for a link so I don't get a say so answer.

Nice deflection on your part though.

You dodged the question.

Your question has nothing to do with anything. You do the same thing all the time. Whenever you lose the argument, you resort to deflecting and asking ridiculous questions.

The UN resolution is different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to amend a declaration of independence?

Palestine's declaration was in 1988. So your question is based on false premise because you still somehow believe that it was in 1948

Both claimed the same territory. The UN changed that.

 

[Roudy]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

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Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

 

[Roudy]

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

Again with the land transfer? That is a Tinmore pre requisite. Where does it say that land needs to be transferred in order to be able to declare independence on it ?

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project Convention on Rights and Duties of States inter-American December 26 1933​

For Israel to be a state, it must have some place for it to be. Israel has no territory. It sits inside Palestine. That is an occupation.

Hah? There has never been a "Palestine". It is a region which belonged to the Turks, not Arab invaders, for 700 years, and then the British after the Ottomans were defeated in WWI.

Why didn't these Arabs moan about their Palestine when it was under Turkish control for 700 years? Because Palestine and Palestinian are recent inventions.

 

[Roudy]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Yeah. I did. What was the names of the rulers of Palestine? What was it currency, It's capitals, It's distinct language, culture, food, etc. Palestine is an invention circa 1960's.

 

[Roudy]

PA did not have a unity government to speak for the palestinian people. The PA was unable and unwilling to reach a negotiated compromise with Israel towards peace. The US did not have to veto, there was not enough support for the draft. it should not have been brought before the UN. It was a calculation by Abbas that failed.
The ICC has 60 days to accept or eject the request of the PA but if they try to but a case against Israel it could back fire and leave the PA and hamas vulnerable for war crimes.
Israel is not a signatory to the ICC and decisions have no weight in Israel. At most it might present a problem for the International travel of certain Israeli officials. The PA could be left without support from Israel or other states and collapse. In an attempt to bring down Israel it could be the down fall of the PA and hamas.
The hope for a state for the palestinians could be brought to an end by the PA and Abbas. Even hamas tried to dissuade the PA from bringing the issue before the UN.

Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot. Of course they will once again blame Israel for their failures.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Yeah. I did. What was the names of the rulers of Palestine? What was it currency, It's capitals, It's distinct language, culture, food, etc. Palestine is an invention circa 1960's.

I have already seen Israel's standard list of propaganda talking points.

They are irrelevant.

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense.

Interesting. Where is that 1988 Palestine?

In the fantasies of the arab muslims as they forgot to show the extent of the land they were claiming and went to war instead.

They did show the extent of the land they were claiming.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.

A 43 827-S 20278 of 18 November 1988​

This is the same land it claimed in their 1948 declaration of independence.
It was inside Palestine's international borders as defined in my post above.

(COMMENT)

It is not interpreted that way.

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine,

Mindful of the special responsibility of the United Nations to achieve a just solution to the question of Palestine,

Aware of the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council in line with General Assembly resolution 181 (II) and in exercise of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people,

Affirming the urgent need to achieve a just and comprehensive settlement in the Middle East which, inter alia, provides for peaceful coexistence for all States in the region,

Recalling its resolution 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 on the observer status for the Palestine Liberation Organization and subsequent relevant resolutions,

1. Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988;

2. Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

3. Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;
SOURCE: A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988

1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;
4. Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;
SOURCE: A/67/L.28 26 November 2012

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN resolution reads different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to do that? Does the UN have the authority to change international borders?

Link?

Nice deflection !

Whenever you lose the argument, you resort to asking for links that don't exist. You are wrong, again. Get over it.

He has yet to prove there was a nation of Palestine that Israel is sitting on.

Now watch him fraudulently post a picture of an Arab league flag on a movie theatre in Jerusalem in the 1930's, and call it a "Palestine flag". Problem with the Palestinians is even their flag is a fraud, it's a copy of the Jordanian flag.

 

[Roudy]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Yeah. I did. What was the names of the rulers of Palestine? What was it currency, It's capitals, It's distinct language, culture, food, etc. Palestine is an invention circa 1960's.

I have already seen Israel's standard list of propaganda talking points.

They are irrelevant.

Yes, they are irrelevant. Since when did Hamas operatives like you care about the truth.

 

[Kondor3]

...Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know...

Sounds like they changed their minds, eh?

Besides... I'm sure that somebody in authority called Biafra a country ten times, too, but that doesn't mean that they were one, nor that they emerged and survived as one.

There never was a Nation called 'Palestine'... merely a region, used as a generic label.

There has never been a King of Palestine, nor a Shiek of Palestine, nor a Government of Palestine, nor a President of Palestine, nor a Prime Minister of Palestine, nor a People of Palestine, reaching back into history.

Never has been.

Is not now - except on paper, focused upon a few postage-stamp -sized parcels of land.

Never will be.

So-called Rump (the residuals, the scraps, what's left) Palestine is an aborted birth.

Sad, sickly, predestined to fail, never viable, and destroyed as a mercy-shot before it was ever born.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

With 8 countries voting in favor, and 2 against (US and Australia) and 5 other countries abstaining, the UNSC narrowly rejected a draft resolution by Jordan on behalf of Palestine to become a sovereign state. This effectively ends Palestine's hopes for state sovereignty.

A United Nations Security Council draft resolution that set a deadline to establish a sovereign Palestinian state was defeated Tuesday night after it failed to receive the nine votes that are needed for adoption in the 15-member body.

The United States and Australia voted against the measure. France, China and Russia were among the eight countries that voted for it. Britain and four other nations abstained.

The draft resolution, which was introduced by Jordan on behalf of the Palestinians, set a one-year deadline for negotiations with Israel; established targets for Palestinian sovereignty, including a capital in East Jerusalem; and called for the “full and phased withdrawal of Israeli forces” from the West Bank by the end of 2017.

The defeat could potentially lead Palestinian officials to seek recognition in other ways — including by joining the International Criminal Court.

Samantha Power, the American ambassador to the United Nations, said that the resolution was “deeply imbalanced,” setting deadlines that did not adequately take account of Israel’s security needs. “Today’s staged confrontation in the U.N. Security Council will not bring the parties closer to achieving a two-state solution,” she said. “This resolution sets the stage for more division, not for compromise.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/31/w...estinian-state-fails-in-security-council.html

 

[aris2chat]

'88 was only an outline for a two state solution. It was a reciprocal step by step towards statehood. Palestinians failed to carry out it's obligations. Oslo failed.
Part of Oslo was the hand over of areas "A" and later "B". The PA has authority in those areas but often fail to police or arrest terrorists in those areas. If they are not arrested or tried in PA courts, Israel is obliged to take them into custody.
Area "C" is still under Israel control.

 

[aris2chat]

Since before the fall of the Ottoman empire the Ottomans, Arabs and later the British had promised the Jews a homeland in the Palestine Mandate region.
It was only later that the consideration of an arab state came about. First it was Jordan and later the offer of a state for the palestinians in part of what was left.
The offer was refused while Israel accepted. Israel declared independence and the arab attacked Israel minutes later. Since a state was refused land Israel occupied with the retreat of the arabs became Israel. Israel was attack two more times leaving all of Sinai, gaza and the WB in Israel hands. Jordan and Egypt relinquish claims to gaza and the WB and Sinai was returned to Egypt.
There was no state for the palestinians. Neither Jordan nor Egypt tried to create a palestinian state. Jordan annex the WB and offered the palestinians jordanian citizenship. Jordan was attacked by Arafat and his Fatah, they lost and were tossed out of Jordan.
The idea of a palestine was just a tool to use against the Israelis, non of the arabs really wanted it to be created or it would have been.
Israel is the only one that tried to offer a state but the PA has not been willing to seriously come to a compromise on a peace deal with Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE which was abbrieveated to palestine to save time, there was no nation of palestine until 1988.

Interesting. Where is that 1988 Palestine?

In the fantasies of the arab muslims as they forgot to show the extent of the land they were claiming and went to war instead.

They did show the extent of the land they were claiming.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.

A 43 827-S 20278 of 18 November 1988​

This is the same land it claimed in their 1948 declaration of independence.
It was inside Palestine's international borders as defined in my post above.

(COMMENT)

It is not interpreted that way.

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine,

Mindful of the special responsibility of the United Nations to achieve a just solution to the question of Palestine,

Aware of the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council in line with General Assembly resolution 181 (II) and in exercise of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people,

Affirming the urgent need to achieve a just and comprehensive settlement in the Middle East which, inter alia, provides for peaceful coexistence for all States in the region,

Recalling its resolution 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 on the observer status for the Palestine Liberation Organization and subsequent relevant resolutions,

1. Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988;

2. Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

3. Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;
SOURCE: A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988

1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;
4. Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;
SOURCE: A/67/L.28 26 November 2012

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN resolution reads different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to do that? Does the UN have the authority to change international borders?

Link?

The International borders of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that ceased to exist in may 1948 when the MANDATE ended

 

[Roudy]

Since before the fall of the Ottoman empire the Ottomans, Arabs and later the British had promised the Jews a homeland in the Palestine Mandate region.
It was only later that the consideration of an arab state came about. First it was Jordan and later the offer of a state for the palestinians in part of what was left.
The offer was refused while Israel accepted. Israel declared independence and the arab attacked Israel minutes later. Since a state was refused land Israel occupied with the retreat of the arabs became Israel. Israel was attack two more times leaving all of Sinai, gaza and the WB in Israel hands. Jordan and Egypt relinquish claims to gaza and the WB and Sinai was returned to Egypt.
There was no state for the palestinians. Neither Jordan nor Egypt tried to create a palestinian state. Jordan annex the WB and offered the palestinians jordanian citizenship. Jordan was attacked by Arafat and his Fatah, they lost and were tossed out of Jordan.
The idea of a palestine was just a tool to use against the Israelis, non of the arabs really wanted it to be created or it would have been.
Israel is the only one that tried to offer a state but the PA has not been willing to seriously come to a compromise on a peace deal with Israel.

That pretty much sums it up except for one thing: When Jordan and Egypt occupied the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967, there wasn't a call to establish a Palestinian state or entity, by ANYBODY. Now why would that be, perhaps because the whole concept of a Palestinian people and a Palestinian state was laughed at by all Arabs...including the the people who now call themselves "Palestinians".

Instead, Jordan and Egypt joined up with other Arab states in 1967 to once again destroy the Jewish state, and once again they failed, this time loosing the West Bank, Gaza, the Sinai Peninsula, and the Golan Heights.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense.

Interesting. Where is that 1988 Palestine?

In the fantasies of the arab muslims as they forgot to show the extent of the land they were claiming and went to war instead.

They did show the extent of the land they were claiming.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.

A 43 827-S 20278 of 18 November 1988​

This is the same land it claimed in their 1948 declaration of independence.
It was inside Palestine's international borders as defined in my post above.

(COMMENT)

It is not interpreted that way.

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine,

Mindful of the special responsibility of the United Nations to achieve a just solution to the question of Palestine,

Aware of the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council in line with General Assembly resolution 181 (II) and in exercise of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people,

Affirming the urgent need to achieve a just and comprehensive settlement in the Middle East which, inter alia, provides for peaceful coexistence for all States in the region,

Recalling its resolution 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 on the observer status for the Palestine Liberation Organization and subsequent relevant resolutions,

1. Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988;

2. Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

3. Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;
SOURCE: A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988

1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;
4. Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;
SOURCE: A/67/L.28 26 November 2012

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN resolution reads different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to do that? Does the UN have the authority to change international borders?

Link?

The International borders of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that ceased to exist in may 1948 when the MANDATE ended

Nope, still there in 1949.

Article V
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
-------------------------
Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

 

[Kondor3]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense.

In the fantasies of the arab muslims as they forgot to show the extent of the land they were claiming and went to war instead.

They did show the extent of the land they were claiming.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.

A 43 827-S 20278 of 18 November 1988​

This is the same land it claimed in their 1948 declaration of independence.
It was inside Palestine's international borders as defined in my post above.

(COMMENT)

It is not interpreted that way.

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine,

Mindful of the special responsibility of the United Nations to achieve a just solution to the question of Palestine,

Aware of the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council in line with General Assembly resolution 181 (II) and in exercise of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people,

Affirming the urgent need to achieve a just and comprehensive settlement in the Middle East which, inter alia, provides for peaceful coexistence for all States in the region,

Recalling its resolution 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 on the observer status for the Palestine Liberation Organization and subsequent relevant resolutions,

1. Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988;

2. Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

3. Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;
SOURCE: A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988

1. Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967;
4. Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;
SOURCE: A/67/L.28 26 November 2012

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN resolution reads different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to do that? Does the UN have the authority to change international borders?

Link?

The International borders of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that ceased to exist in may 1948 when the MANDATE ended

Nope, still there in 1949.

Article V
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
-------------------------
Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

The international boundary between the chartered State of Lebanon and the political vacuum known as Palestine.

The international boundary between the chartered State of Syria and the political vacuum known as Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense.

They did show the extent of the land they were claiming.

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.

A 43 827-S 20278 of 18 November 1988​

This is the same land it claimed in their 1948 declaration of independence.
It was inside Palestine's international borders as defined in my post above.

(COMMENT)

It is not interpreted that way.

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, in which, inter alia, it called for the establishment of an Arab State and a Jewish State in Palestine,

Mindful of the special responsibility of the United Nations to achieve a just solution to the question of Palestine,

Aware of the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council in line with General Assembly resolution 181 (II) and in exercise of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people,

Affirming the urgent need to achieve a just and comprehensive settlement in the Middle East which, inter alia, provides for peaceful coexistence for all States in the region,

Recalling its resolution 3237 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974 on the observer status for the Palestine Liberation Organization and subsequent relevant resolutions,

1. Acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988;

2. Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

3. Decides that, effective as of 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice;
SOURCE: A/RES/43/177 15 December 1988

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN resolution reads different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to do that? Does the UN have the authority to change international borders?

Link?

The International borders of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that ceased to exist in may 1948 when the MANDATE ended

Nope, still there in 1949.

Article V
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
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Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

The international boundary between the chartered State of Lebanon and the political vacuum known as Palestine.

The international boundary between the chartered State of Syria and the political vacuum known as Palestine.

Whatever!

At least they are not the boundaries with Israel.

 

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P F Tinmore, et al,

Nonsense.

(COMMENT)

It is not interpreted that way.

Most Respectfully,
R

The UN resolution reads different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to do that? Does the UN have the authority to change international borders?

Link?

The International borders of the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that ceased to exist in may 1948 when the MANDATE ended

Nope, still there in 1949.

Article V
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
-------------------------
Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

The international boundary between the chartered State of Lebanon and the political vacuum known as Palestine.

The international boundary between the chartered State of Syria and the political vacuum known as Palestine.

Whatever!

At least they are not the boundaries with Israel.

Except Israel actually has international boundaries. Palestine doesn't.

 

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