Van Jones: "Men are hurting. Feminist culture tells you 'dont cry cause you're the problem anyway'. masculine culture tell you 'dont cry cause...'

[AzogtheDefiler]

Name calling as an argument? How quaint.

How is it “name calling”?

It’s the truth

Same as “minor attracted persons” are pedos.

You libs are deranged and the rest of the world is on to you

 

[Curried Goats]

"You're laughter"...LOL

I don't really give a shit which your swipe text chooses, you still don't have science on your side. You have pretend and make believe because you're intellectually soft.

 

[Moonglow]

It is a joke to people like you. Until it is not a joke. Politics is all or nothing. People are in many groups and within them cliques. Nothing in between in real terms. When it does happen, it is called bipartisanship. And it really does not happen much anymore in important legislation.

Yes, it does you just don't see it or read it because you don't read the bills and their sponsors. One is about to be voted on by the Senate concerning SS payments to people on pensions, then the budget, which is done bi-partisan every year.

 

[Curried Goats]

How is it “name calling”?

It’s the truth

Same as “minor attracted persons” are pedos.

You libs are deranged and the rest of the world is on to you

Pedophilia is the scientific term for people who are sexually attracted to minors and trans people are real.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Not if you are a poor male in Canada. You are born to be suppressed because you are viewed as a potential problem for the SIC just as American men in the U.S have shown as they elected a man determined to clean up your system.

You make excuses for your own shortcomings.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Pedophilia is the scientific term for people who are sexually attracted to minors and trans people are real.

Nope. It’s a term for criminals and psychos.

Trans people are real. In that instance the word “trans” maybe replaced with “make believe” and you get the truth.

 

[Foxfyre]

..."boys don't cry".

He said this at a NY Times event with a panel of Dem and GOP politicians and media.

As he said beyond this, "you can't talk about how scared you are (as a man)...at least Trump allows you to have an emotion besides shame".

This is was a powerful quote. As a man who lived my entire life internalizing everything, even the most painful of circumstances. Placing everything on my shoulders and then when I needed help, simple help and support, it didn't exist.

Imagine that there are literally dozens of resources for women if they have been assaulted by their mate, there were ZERO resources for men. Even though, evidence going back 50 years suggests that women assault men as much as men do.

This is why when we hear stories about Trump being accused of something against a woman and having to pay for an NDA. We hear the accusations against Kavanaugh etc, most men do not just reflexively believe it because we know how some operate especially in politics. This is the epitome of evil and you can be sure many knew it was false. My own wife threatened me multiple times if I ever reached out to speak the truth and I had been firmly been paralyzed by this threat.

Trump won because of men. Not only did men vote in large numbers but they convinced their wives and girlfriends to vote also on top of Trump being surrounded by Tusi, RFK etc.

Now as Van Jones has his son facing some of the same auto-bs men face, NOW he understands.

I don't know what the marriage/divorce laws are in Canada but yes, a vindictive, manipulative, irresponsible, unfaithful woman can make a man's life absolutely hell. (And vice versa.)

And the economic and emotional and psychological consequences of a failed marriage are real for both men and and women and are not always just. Whether man or woman though, the best policy for toxic relationships is to end them and separate yourself from your tormenter as much as is possible.

As for support services for men, they are out there. You just have to look for them. If addictions is in the equation, AA and/or Al-anon has restored many to sanity. A good local minister or priest can be a good sounding board to help talk things out. There are other support groups around including divorce support groups.

You are right that society usually expects men to be more stoic and 'strong' than it expects of woman. But otherwise the dynamics aren't all that different. However, woke-ism beginning with the women's rights movements in the 1970's has increasingly denigrated men and tried to make them unnecessary in societal equations. I believe this to be practically and ethically and morally wrong. I believe the world needs strong men as much as it ever did and that men and women usually bring different kinds of strengths to offer.

Do not be shy about getting whatever help you need my friend. Nobody should have to endure personal crises alone.

 

[Curried Goats]

Nope. It’s a term for criminals and psychos.

Trans people are real. In that instance the word “trans” maybe replaced with “make believe” and you get the truth.

It only refers to criminals and psychos if you're pretending to be a mental health expert. In reality and according to the real experts trans identities are not a mental illness. Really imagining that you're a qualified expert however might be.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It only refers to criminals and psychos if you're pretending to be a mental health expert. In reality and according to the experts trans identities are not a mental illness. Really imagining that you're a qualified expert however might be.

Criminals and psychos are the pedos.

We already discussed this, Bongo. “Experts” disagree. The voices that disagreed were initially silenced by you cancel culture defects. Not any longer. Europe has already changed their stance. We are next.

Trans = make believe

= means synonymous

 

[hadit]

A predictable outcome of Identity Politics. "Toxic Masculinity". "We don't need men". Turns out they were paying attention.

Men, especially young men, are hurting. But they're also fed up and pissed off, and they decided to vote this time.

They're voting, which is a good thing. A negative thing, however, is the increase in mass killings caused by male mental and emotional anguish. Many feel trapped and ignored by society and turn to taking out as many other people as they can on their way out of life.

Will the Dems admit this to themselves?

And not just democrats. Everyone needs to understand that men put up emotional walls because they've been shamed, ridiculed and told by society that they have to internalize emotional upheaval, to the point they don't have the tools to handle emotions in a healthy way. As long as a man stays quiet, we assume everything is fine. It's not. Take note of the neighbors' interviews after a mass killer is arrested. "He was so quiet and polite. We had no idea he was a ticking time bomb".

The only time a man is allowed to show truly negative emotions is at the end of "Old Yeller". It's safe to cry over the death of a dog, or your Mom, but to admit you're really scared you're not going to be able to make next month's mortgage payment or that you're at the end of your rope at work and want to quit, that's not acceptable.

 

[Hellokitty]

Men are not the vulnerable and least not in comparison to women. They are the dominate political, social and economic class in almost every society on Earth.

Weird since liberals tell us men and women are equally.

 

[Curried Goats]

Criminals and psychos are the pedos.

Not inherently. Pedophilia just means you're attracted to minors, not that you've ever acted on it.

We already discussed this, Bongo. “Experts” disagree. The voices that disagreed were initially silenced by you cancel culture defects. Not any longer. Europe has already changed their stance. We are next.

Trans = make believe

= means synonymous

Europe has not said trans = make believe. A few countries in Europe are treating gender dysphoria under stricter, clinical trial regulations.

 

[Curried Goats]

Weird since liberals tell us men and women are equally.

I'm sure you're just too stupid to understand the actual context of that.

 

[shockedcanadian]

A predictable outcome of Identity Politics. "Toxic Masculinity". "We don't need men". Turns out they were paying attention.

Men, especially young men, are hurting. But they're also fed up and pissed off, and they decided to vote this time.

Will the Dems admit this to themselves?

The worst thing for these young men is that there won't be anyone for them. They are alone and Van Jones knows this now as he is raising a kid and realizing "did my political Party harm my son"?


Now you have young men being told to deny their masculinity. Then you have the world stepping all over them and telling them "you deserve this because you are a man" and they accept this, like a dog being heeled. It's disgusting, because it is preventing them from achieving, from believing in themselves. I wish I could do something to help these young men, to not have them give up.

Trump does represent a strong headed guy but he has to understand he is a billionaire, he was born fairly well off. He has to understand how much worse it is for the poor men in society.

I thought the best rally Trump gave was the one in the Bronx of all places. He spoke from the heart and I can only presume that as he looked out and saw the kaleidoscope of people from all backgrounds, most lower socio-economic origins, he had to have felt honoured in a strange way. He represented hope for many who didn't have any. He offered some sage advice about how to be successful. To work hard, not give up etc. He told stories I've never heard him tell in his usual rallies, he was giving a fireside chat to these people who bucked the trend and came out to see him.

There was something different about this speech. He didn't rely on his usual talking points to rally his base, he was talking to the despondent, those looking for a change and saw him as maybe the man to look up to. Trump didn't lecture or thump his chest as he normally did. He was more subdued, more humble and I believe this was before the assassination attempt.

I bet you that this rally did more to convert the previously unconvertible than any other. Maybe his rally at MSG helped too but this really set him apart. He is now the president and he stepped foot in one of the poorest boroughs in NY and spoke to them like fellow Americans. Who is refusing to accept that he did this?

This is what young men need. I know, I was one of them. Unrivaled energy and drive, stifled by evil people. Trump is going to unleash this and men are going to find pride in working, no matter the job,. They are going to be needed when WWIII begins. All of us have a duty to protect them, they may just save our lives someday.

 

[shockedcanadian]

You make excuses for your own shortcomings.

Read a history book. Many people died trying to get into West Germany. Many have died speaking facts to government, be they in China, N Korea, Russia, Iran, on and on. Many innocent men and women are in prisons today in every country on earth because of the power of the state.

The world isn't like America, we don't all have access to Pro Bono assistance and human right/civil liberty groups

 

[marvin martian]

I don't really give a shit which your swipe text chooses, you still don't have science on your side. You have pretend and make believe because you're intellectually soft.

Your "science" says a man in a dress is a woman. LOL

 

[hadit]

And how that's distinct from social gender.

And there's the crux of the matter. Science, ala biology, is very clear about male and female. Social constructs are fluid and change to fit whatever advantage one is seeking at the time. Example, science says a pre-born baby is a human being, very clear and easily understood. Abortion advocates, however, employ social constructs to obfuscate the reality of what an abortion does, calling the unborn human anything under the sun EXCEPT a human being. Likewise, science says that an effeminate appearing teenaged boy is a male, very clear and easily understood. Trans activists, however, employe social constructs to pretend that boy is in a fact a girl just because he says he wants to be one and use those constructs to obfuscate the reality of what puberty blockers, hormone injections and surgeries do to a developing teen-aged body and the permanent, life-long effects on the same.

Sure, once a person reaches adulthood and is considered mature enough to make such decisions for themselves, they can make themselves look however they want, but until a 12-year-old is allowed to get a tattoo of their favorite Disney character, they should not be allowed to permanently mess with their bodies like that.

 

[Mac1958]

The worst thing for these young men is that there won't be anyone for them. They are alone and Van Jones knows this now as he is raising a kid and realizing "did my political Party harm my son"?


Now you have young men being told to deny their masculinity. Then you have the world stepping all over them and telling them "you deserve this because you are a man" and they accept this, like a dog being heeled. It's disgusting, because it is preventing them from achieving, from believing in themselves. I wish I could do something to help these young men, to not have them give up.

Trump does represent a strong headed guy but he has to understand he is a billionaire, he was born fairly well off. He has to understand how much worse it is for the poor men in society.

I thought his best rally Trump gave was the one in the Bronx of all places. He spoke from the heart and I can only presume that as he looked out and saw the kaleidoscope of people from all backgrounds, most lower socio-economic origins, he had to have felt honoured in a strange way. He represented hope for many who didn't have any. He offered some sage advice about how to be successful. To work hard, not give up etc. He told stories I've never heard him tell in his usual rallies, he was giving a fireside chat to these people who bucked the trend and came out to see him.

There was something different about this speech. He didn't rely on his usual talking points to rally his base, he was talking to the despondent, those looking for a change and saw him as maybe the man to look up to. Trump didn't lecture or thump his chest as he normally did. He was more subdued, more humble and I believe this was before the assassination attempt.

I bet you that this rally did more to convert the previously unconvertible than any other. Maybe his rally at MSG helped too but this really set him apart. He is now the president and he stepped foot in one of the poorest boroughs in NY and spoke to them like fellow Americans. Who is refusing to accept that he did this?

This is what young men need. I know, I was one of them. Unrivaled energy and drive, stifled by evil people. Trump is going to unleash this and men are going to find pride in working, no matter the job,. They are going to be needed when WWIII begins. All of us have a duty to protect them, they may just save our lives someday.

My opinion of Trump aside, I can see the attraction for young men who have had enough and just want to react.

I don't know if he ever specifically covered this topic -- the Bronx speech you mentioned notwithstanding -- but I don't think there's any doubt that his personality played a role.

I expected Trump's win, but I don't think I saw this shift (across racial lines) coming. And the Dems have no answer for it, unless they change their approach. And it may be too late, anyway. Guys will remember.

 

[Curried Goats]

Your "science" says a man in a dress is a woman. LOL

That's not anyone's science which is why you can't link to any.

 

[Hellokitty]

I'm sure you're just too stupid to understand the actual context of that.

So mansplain it to me?