Vermont announces insurance exchange prices

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Vermont announces rates under health 'exchange'
Note the prices are for an individual. For families of 4 it's 4 times the individual price.
$14k per year....And this still leaves the insured with 30% of the bill. Silver plan.
Chart link....So let's say a patient runs up a bill for $5,000...They must pay in addition to their monthly premium plus any co-pays, $1,500 out of that $5k....
So if there is a family of 4 not only does the earner have to fork over $1,100 per month, one incident of relatively small magnitude leaves that person with the equivalent of over one month's premiums.
My current policy covers everything up to 80% and costs just $400 for THREE people.
Or about $5k per year.
SO that $10k incident would cost me just $2k...Done..
Somebody want to tell me why Obama care is such a good thing?


MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) -- Vermont regulators on Monday announced monthly rates for health insurance to be sold under Vermont Health Connect, the health insurance exchange being set up to comply with the federal Affordable Care Act.

Middle- and upper-class consumers who begin buying through Vermont Health Connect when it takes hold of Vermont's individual and small-group health insurance markets in January won't notice much difference in costs of insurance and benefits provided, according to the state's largest insurer and the chairwoman of Vermont's Green Mountain Care Board, which approved the rates.

But for those of moderate and lower incomes, federal tax credits and state premium subsidies designed to help pay the cost will make health insurance a better deal than it is now, GMCB Chairwoman Anya Rader Wallack said.

"For those who qualify for the tax credits and premium subsidies, there's a pretty big difference," Wallack said. "In terms of just comparisons with prices in the marketplace (today), the difference is less dramatic," she said.

Kevin Goddard, spokesman for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont agreed, calling the rates to be charged when people buy his company's insurance through Vermont Health Connect "comparable" to what they would pay without the exchange in place.

Rates being offered for the benchmark so-called "silver plan" for individuals will be a bit less than $395 per month for individuals buying a Blue Cross Blue Shield product, and $410 a month for those buying a similar policy form MVP Health Care. Those prices are similar to what an individual pays now for a similar suite of coverage options, Goddard said.

Lower-income Vermonters will get federal tax credits and state premium subsidies to cover some of the costs. For someone making the median individual income of about $34,000 a year, that will reduce the cost of the Blue Cross plan to about $230 a month, and the MVP plan to $252.

The Blue Cross family plan will cost $1,111 a month through Vermont Health Connect. For MVP it will be $1,151.

The rates described by the Green Mountain Care Board are for a mid-range health insurance offering what it terms a "silver level" plan. Other plans range from bronze to platinum. Bronze will have lower monthly premiums but higher co-pays and deductibles; platinum plans will have higher rates but lower out-of-pocket costs.

All plans offered on the exchange must offer certain "essential health benefits," including outpatient care, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance abuse disorder services, behavioral health treatment, prescription drugs, rehabilitative services, laboratory services, preventative care and pediatric services, including oral and vision care for children.

The Green Mountain Care Board said it shaved 4.3 percent off the rates initially proposed by Blue Cross and 5.3 percent off the rates offered by MVP. But Wallack said more needs to be done to control the cost of insurance and of the health care it buys.

The reductions will save Vermonters money, but "the underlying cost of health care and health insurance remain alarmingly high, and we have to redouble our efforts to address this problem," she said.
 
You weren't expecting the liberal pro Obama crowd to come in and try to justify this were you? :confused:

$1150 per month for a family with an income of $34k..
That's over $13k per year...WITH the subsidy!
After taxes....this family would have to live on about $15k per year..WTF!!!!!!
 
So... what are you guys complaining about, exactly?

Prices are comparable to current prices for private health insurance for middle class families, and significantly cheaper for lower income families.

It's pretty silly to compare prices of job-provided insurance with commercially purchased insurance.
 
Cool...Live in a cardboard box and eat ramen, but have full medical coverage.

No problema! :thup:

If your problem is with the "mandate" of Obamacare, I'm completely with you.

But I see absolutely nothing wrong with health care exchanges.
It's not the state's job in the first place.

I recommend covering your cardboard box with Bechethane, to keep out the rain and snow.
 
Vermont announces rates under health 'exchange'
Note the prices are for an individual. For families of 4 it's 4 times the individual price.
$14k per year....And this still leaves the insured with 30% of the bill. Silver plan.
Chart link....So let's say a patient runs up a bill for $5,000...They must pay in addition to their monthly premium plus any co-pays, $1,500 out of that $5k....
So if there is a family of 4 not only does the earner have to fork over $1,100 per month, one incident of relatively small magnitude leaves that person with the equivalent of over one month's premiums.
My current policy covers everything up to 80% and costs just $400 for THREE people.
Or about $5k per year.
SO that $10k incident would cost me just $2k...Done..
Somebody want to tell me why Obama care is such a good thing?


MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) -- Vermont regulators on Monday announced monthly rates for health insurance to be sold under Vermont Health Connect, the health insurance exchange being set up to comply with the federal Affordable Care Act.

Middle- and upper-class consumers who begin buying through Vermont Health Connect when it takes hold of Vermont's individual and small-group health insurance markets in January won't notice much difference in costs of insurance and benefits provided, according to the state's largest insurer and the chairwoman of Vermont's Green Mountain Care Board, which approved the rates.

But for those of moderate and lower incomes, federal tax credits and state premium subsidies designed to help pay the cost will make health insurance a better deal than it is now, GMCB Chairwoman Anya Rader Wallack said.

"For those who qualify for the tax credits and premium subsidies, there's a pretty big difference," Wallack said. "In terms of just comparisons with prices in the marketplace (today), the difference is less dramatic," she said.

Kevin Goddard, spokesman for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont agreed, calling the rates to be charged when people buy his company's insurance through Vermont Health Connect "comparable" to what they would pay without the exchange in place.

Rates being offered for the benchmark so-called "silver plan" for individuals will be a bit less than $395 per month for individuals buying a Blue Cross Blue Shield product, and $410 a month for those buying a similar policy form MVP Health Care. Those prices are similar to what an individual pays now for a similar suite of coverage options, Goddard said.

Lower-income Vermonters will get federal tax credits and state premium subsidies to cover some of the costs. For someone making the median individual income of about $34,000 a year, that will reduce the cost of the Blue Cross plan to about $230 a month, and the MVP plan to $252.

The Blue Cross family plan will cost $1,111 a month through Vermont Health Connect. For MVP it will be $1,151.

The rates described by the Green Mountain Care Board are for a mid-range health insurance offering what it terms a "silver level" plan. Other plans range from bronze to platinum. Bronze will have lower monthly premiums but higher co-pays and deductibles; platinum plans will have higher rates but lower out-of-pocket costs.

All plans offered on the exchange must offer certain "essential health benefits," including outpatient care, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance abuse disorder services, behavioral health treatment, prescription drugs, rehabilitative services, laboratory services, preventative care and pediatric services, including oral and vision care for children.

The Green Mountain Care Board said it shaved 4.3 percent off the rates initially proposed by Blue Cross and 5.3 percent off the rates offered by MVP. But Wallack said more needs to be done to control the cost of insurance and of the health care it buys.

The reductions will save Vermonters money, but "the underlying cost of health care and health insurance remain alarmingly high, and we have to redouble our efforts to address this problem," she said.



Well...Big Fat DUH.

ObamaCare was ALWAYS about Cronyism to benefit Big Insurance and Big Pharma and, most importantly, Big Government.
 
Vermont announces rates under health 'exchange'
Note the prices are for an individual. For families of 4 it's 4 times the individual price.
$14k per year....And this still leaves the insured with 30% of the bill. Silver plan.
Chart link....So let's say a patient runs up a bill for $5,000...They must pay in addition to their monthly premium plus any co-pays, $1,500 out of that $5k....
So if there is a family of 4 not only does the earner have to fork over $1,100 per month, one incident of relatively small magnitude leaves that person with the equivalent of over one month's premiums.
My current policy covers everything up to 80% and costs just $400 for THREE people.
Or about $5k per year.
SO that $10k incident would cost me just $2k...Done..
Somebody want to tell me why Obama care is such a good thing?


MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) -- Vermont regulators on Monday announced monthly rates for health insurance to be sold under Vermont Health Connect, the health insurance exchange being set up to comply with the federal Affordable Care Act.

Middle- and upper-class consumers who begin buying through Vermont Health Connect when it takes hold of Vermont's individual and small-group health insurance markets in January won't notice much difference in costs of insurance and benefits provided, according to the state's largest insurer and the chairwoman of Vermont's Green Mountain Care Board, which approved the rates.

But for those of moderate and lower incomes, federal tax credits and state premium subsidies designed to help pay the cost will make health insurance a better deal than it is now, GMCB Chairwoman Anya Rader Wallack said.

"For those who qualify for the tax credits and premium subsidies, there's a pretty big difference," Wallack said. "In terms of just comparisons with prices in the marketplace (today), the difference is less dramatic," she said.

Kevin Goddard, spokesman for Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont agreed, calling the rates to be charged when people buy his company's insurance through Vermont Health Connect "comparable" to what they would pay without the exchange in place.

Rates being offered for the benchmark so-called "silver plan" for individuals will be a bit less than $395 per month for individuals buying a Blue Cross Blue Shield product, and $410 a month for those buying a similar policy form MVP Health Care. Those prices are similar to what an individual pays now for a similar suite of coverage options, Goddard said.

Lower-income Vermonters will get federal tax credits and state premium subsidies to cover some of the costs. For someone making the median individual income of about $34,000 a year, that will reduce the cost of the Blue Cross plan to about $230 a month, and the MVP plan to $252.

The Blue Cross family plan will cost $1,111 a month through Vermont Health Connect. For MVP it will be $1,151.

The rates described by the Green Mountain Care Board are for a mid-range health insurance offering what it terms a "silver level" plan. Other plans range from bronze to platinum. Bronze will have lower monthly premiums but higher co-pays and deductibles; platinum plans will have higher rates but lower out-of-pocket costs.

All plans offered on the exchange must offer certain "essential health benefits," including outpatient care, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance abuse disorder services, behavioral health treatment, prescription drugs, rehabilitative services, laboratory services, preventative care and pediatric services, including oral and vision care for children.

The Green Mountain Care Board said it shaved 4.3 percent off the rates initially proposed by Blue Cross and 5.3 percent off the rates offered by MVP. But Wallack said more needs to be done to control the cost of insurance and of the health care it buys.

The reductions will save Vermonters money, but "the underlying cost of health care and health insurance remain alarmingly high, and we have to redouble our efforts to address this problem," she said.



Well...Big Fat DUH.

ObamaCare was ALWAYS about Cronyism to benefit Big Insurance and Big Pharma and, most importantly, Big Government.

That I agree with completely.
 
So... what are you guys complaining about, exactly?

Prices are comparable to current prices for private health insurance for middle class families, and significantly cheaper for lower income families.

It's pretty silly to compare prices of job-provided insurance with commercially purchased insurance.

The cost born by employees is deducted from their wages before taxes. So for example let's say a worker's annual salary is $50k....Their insurance costs them $400 per month. That is deducted from the worker's wages. He does not pay taxes on the value of the policy which could be twice what is deducted...
Now the entire amount is deducted as a payroll tax.
Silly to compare? You bet. The coverage in ACA is far more costly and does not deliver the same services.
 
So... what are you guys complaining about, exactly?

Prices are comparable to current prices for private health insurance for middle class families, and significantly cheaper for lower income families.

It's pretty silly to compare prices of job-provided insurance with commercially purchased insurance.

The cost born by employees is deducted from their wages before taxes. So for example let's say a worker's annual salary is $50k....Their insurance costs them $400 per month. That is deducted from the worker's wages. He does not pay taxes on the value of the policy which could be twice what is deducted...
Now the entire amount is deducted as a payroll tax.
Silly to compare? You bet. The coverage in ACA is far more costly and does not deliver the same services.

No, they are not.

The Heath Care Exchanges are for people who don't get insurance from their jobs - in other words, it's a way to purchase private insurance policies. If you have insurance through your job, the exchanges don't apply to you.

Have you seen how much private insurance policies generally cost?

(I'll give you a hint - it's more than it will be on the exchanges)
 
So... what are you guys complaining about, exactly?

Prices are comparable to current prices for private health insurance for middle class families, and significantly cheaper for lower income families.

It's pretty silly to compare prices of job-provided insurance with commercially purchased insurance.

The cost born by employees is deducted from their wages before taxes. So for example let's say a worker's annual salary is $50k....Their insurance costs them $400 per month. That is deducted from the worker's wages. He does not pay taxes on the value of the policy which could be twice what is deducted...
Now the entire amount is deducted as a payroll tax.
Silly to compare? You bet. The coverage in ACA is far more costly and does not deliver the same services.

No, they are not.

The Heath Care Exchanges are for people who don't get insurance from their jobs - in other words, it's a way to purchase private insurance policies. If you have insurance through your job, the exchanges don't apply to you.

Have you seen how much private insurance policies generally cost?

(I'll give you a hint - it's more than it will be on the exchanges)
Either way, it's a tax on earnings.
The premiums are what they are. And that is the issue.
The cost of the exchange based insurance will be significantly more than employer provided group insurance. And the coverage is more extensive.
The Silver Plan covers just 70% of a medical bill. For example, the insurance we have through employment pays 80%. Max co-pay is $25, $50 in a hospital.
 
We need Medicare for all.

No. You need medicare for you.

I find it highly presumptuous for people like you to demand the rest of us producing working taxpayers to fund YOUR medical care.

Pay your own way.

Should we apply your standard to everything the government does? Defense, roads, police?
That is a bullshit response A veritable non-sequitur.
Public safety,national defense, roadways( infrastructure) are essential functions of government.
So spare me the "you didn't build that" horseshit.
Yours is just and excuse to create a socialist state. Not gonna happen.
Pay your own way.
 

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