What A Hit

[mudwhistle]

The new giant helmet cover that they are using this year is proof of that!

The problem is the helmets are giving people concussions.

I wrote a paper on in college. You're safer with just a leather helmet.

The Chiefs started trying out these soft shell helmets that absorb impacts and doesn't ring your bell like the old Riddels used to.

 

[Concerned American]

Most guys that played in college were lucky to run 4.6 forties.

Heck....I know Olinemen that can run almost that fast and weight 315.

Standing on the sidelines....the ground literally shakes from the pounding.

There's nothing pussy about the NFL, except maybe the kickers. But even they are tremendous athletes.

I suspect you are a dolphins fan, but be that as it may, I don't agree that it was a bad hit. By the time the slide was initiated the defender was already launched. This rule sucks and its part of the reason that I've gone from a fan that never missed a game to one that might see a game or two a season. I didn't fault the athleticism of the players, I don't agree with the pussy rule changes to protect the owner's investments.

 

[mudwhistle]

He aimed for the chest, when they collided, hit in the clavicle area and unavoidably slid up into the face mask. I would say that was pretty good aiming considering the combined speed and brevity of the impact.



If Thea had never hit the Earth we'd have no moon neither. The QB was a RB running the ball and the defender tried to do his job to the best of his abilities. Had the NFL not imposed such "protective rules" on players, the QB would not have taken the risk. The NFL caused the penalty not the player. This is all "legal circus" by the NFL to appease a bunch of high-paid lawyers striving to make the sport safer to increase game revenue.

Doesn't matter what he was aiming at. He missed....and he drove his elbow into his facemask. Just like headslaps and clotheslining are illegal. So is hitting someone in the head with an elbow.

I watch these guys. They cheat on every play.....and they just hope they don't get flagged.

 

[toobfreak]

You're safer with just a leather helmet.

BINGO.

 

[mudwhistle]

I suspect you are a dolphins fan, but be that as it may, I don't agree that it was a bad hit. By the time the slide was initiated the defender was already launched. This rule sucks and its part of the reason that I've gone from a fan that never missed a game to one that might see a game or two a season. I didn't fault the athleticism of the players, I don't agree with the pussy rule changes to protect the owner's investments.

I'm a chargers fan.

The rules are supposed to protect the players. But instead most rules are designed to control scoring or control the outcome.

 

[toobfreak]

Doesn't matter what he was aiming at.

Of course it does! The point of the rules is to enforce bad behavior not unavoidable accidents. Penalizing someone for something they didn't intend nor couldn't stop from happening accomplishes nothing. Once your feet leave the ground and you are flying through the air, you can't much control where you end up. It was just one of those unavoidable hard hits. It happened because the QB ran the ball as far as he thought he could until the very last second instead of getting down before anyone was close enough to hit him. You can penalize the defender but the NFL was really the cause of the hit.

He missed....and he drove his elbow into his facemask.

The QB should not have been running the ball so far and so dangerously gambling on the "rules" to save him. This is pro ball; you take chances and shit happens. I bet the guy sliders sooner next time.

Just like headslaps and clotheslining are illegal.

Those are intentional actions, not unavoidable collisions that occurred because two people took actions in the air based on where they were when they left the ground but then things didn't end up where they thought they'd be when they finally collided.

So is hitting someone in the head with an elbow.

It would have been impossible to avoid his elbow hitting the helmet based on the angle and direction of the two players when they finally met. The defender was doing his job and the impact wouldn't have happened if not for the "safety" rules giving the QB a false sense of security.

Look, MW, I get what you are saying, but this is pro ball. It isn't ballroom dancing. This is full contact sport, dangerous stuff, THE REASON WHY THEY ARE PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. If it gets any safer, they might as well reduce salaries to $150,000 a year. The NFL is taking the edge out of the game and not for concern for ther players and it is getting to where people are losing interest in the sport. In ten years, it'll be a tag sport.

 

[toobfreak]

The rules are supposed to protect the players.

That is the problem! When I began watching football, the rules were supposed to protect the game. Then they started adding more and more rules to protect the players so that instead of a 12 game season, they could extend it to 16 games. Now it is 17 games and they want to make it 18 games. It is all about the money. Money for the NFL. The rules are protecting investor interests while placating the insurance industry.

They don't give a fuck about the players, they are just a commodity.

 

[gtopa1]

Probably so. I don't agree with the fine, but you are most likely correct. I think the slide rule along with a host of other modern NFL rules are BS. That slide came after the Bears player had already committed and had the QB continued, Al Shaair would have made a perfectly legal hit. SMH, I yearn for the NFL of 60s and 70s. I won't be surprised when the NFL becomes a flag football league.

Elbow to the throat did it for me; OFF!!!

Greg

 

[Concerned American]

The QB should not have been running the ball

If they are going to continue these unjust penalties, maybe they should change the rules to forbid the QB from leaving the pocket. If they aren't fair game, they shouldn't be allowed to run the ball.

 

[toobfreak]

I watch these guys.

Everyone watches these guys.

They cheat on every play.....and they just hope they don't get flagged.

You don't fly through the air in a split second decision trying to stop a runner from reaching the 1st down ending in a colossal impact hoping to cheat without no one noticing.
The QB was a runner who took his "safety" too far and slid too late forcing the defender into a more aggressive stance trying to stop him, and he paid the price for it. It wasn't planned, it wasn't intentional, it was a split second decision that ended in a hard hit promulgated by the NFL's excessive "protective" rules leading to a false sense of safety.

Like I said, next time, I bet Lawrence slides sooner. This isn't tag football.

 

[mudwhistle]

Of course it does! The point of the rules is to enforce bad behavior not unavoidable accidents. Penalizing someone for something they didn't intend nor couldn't stop from happening accomplishes nothing. Once your feet leave the ground and you are flying through the air, you can't much control where you end up. It was just one of those unavoidable hard hits. It happened because the QB ran the ball as far as he thought he could until the very last second instead of getting down before anyone was close enough to hit him. You can penalize the defender but the NFL was really the cause of the hit.


The QB should not have been running the ball so far and so dangerously gambling on the "rules" to save him. This is pro ball; you take chances and shit happens. I bet the guy sliders sooner next time.


Those are intentional actions, not unavoidable collisions that occurred because two people took actions in the air based on where they were when they left the ground but then things didn't end up where they thought they'd be when they finally collided.


It would have been impossible to avoid his elbow hitting the helmet based on the angle and direction of the two players when they finally met. The defender was doing his job and the impact wouldn't have happened if not for the "safety" rules giving the QB a false sense of security.

Look, MW, I get what you are saying, but this is pro ball. It isn't ballroom dancing. This is full contact sport, dangerous stuff, THE REASON WHY THEY ARE PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. If it gets any safer, they might as well reduce salaries to $150,000 a year. The NFL is taking the edge out of the game and not for concern for ther players and it is getting to where people are losing interest in the sport. In ten years, it'll be a tag sport.

I watched the play. It was an intentional foul. Some players just like to have a QB knockout on their resume.
When I was playing, the best player on the team was the QB.
But then we didn't throw the ball as much as they do now.
Terry Bradshaw would have met that cheapshot artist in the parking lot after the game.
It doesn't matter to the ref what your intentions were. What you did is what they flagged you for.

 

[mudwhistle]

If they are going to continue these unjust penalties, maybe they should change the rules to forbid the QB from leaving the pocket. If they aren't fair game, they shouldn't be allowed to run the ball.

How about tackling him instead of trying to knock his head off is shoulders.

 

[Concerned American]

How about tackling him instead of trying to knock his head off is shoulders.

Because it is a game of inches. If you want flag football, just say so.

 

[toobfreak]

If they are going to continue these unjust penalties, maybe they should change the rules to forbid the QB from leaving the pocket. If they aren't fair game, they shouldn't be allowed to run the ball.

When the QB runs with the ball, he is supposed to be no different than any RB. The NFL's "zero tolerance" policies for OUTCOMES is bullshit when they are the ones who are setting up the conditions.

I'm sick and tired of players getting stiff penalties for legal hits because they no longer know how to do their jobs without drawing a penalty because there is no legal way of making contact with human physiology. For instance, leading with the helmet--- it is near impossible not to lead with the helmet when the helmet is attached to the leading part of your body!

 

[mudwhistle]

Everyone watches these guys.


You don't fly through the air in a split second decision trying to stop a runner from reaching the 1st down ending in a colossal impact hoping to cheat without no one noticing.
The QB was a runner who took his "safety" too far and slid too late forcing the defender into a more aggressive stance trying to stop him, and he paid the price for it. It wasn't planned, it wasn't intentional, it was a split second decision that ended in a hard hit promulgated by the NFL's excessive "protective" rules leading to a false sense of safety.

Like I said, next time, I bet Lawrence slides sooner. This isn't tag football.

More like the next time the SOB isn't going to lead with a forearm if they make an example of him.

To be honest, the NFL isn't protecting players like they used to. I don't know why.

 

[mudwhistle]

Because it is a game of inches. If you want flag football, just say so.

I like tough football with as few penalties as possible.

College games usually aren't one penalty after another like the NFL.

Most of the calls are holding or illegal procedure penalties designed to control scoring, make the game competitive.

 

[gtopa1]

It is a violent, dangerous game. That is why they get the big bucks. The only people who are concerned are the owners who are seeing their million dollar investments getting taken out and losing their money. Players in the 60s and 70s saw much harder hits for a bunch less money.

Hi CA; it looked like the defender braced his forearm and that was the initial contact; I see upon about half a dozen replays that it hit around his chin guard...am I correct? Are you sure that is legal? I'm a Rugby chappy and that'd be a sendoff every time.

Greg

 

[toobfreak]

How about tackling him instead of trying to knock his head off is shoulders.

Easy to say when you are not moving 30 mph flying through the air already committed not knowing how it will exactly end up when you two finally meet as the runner changes position, and all within a second.

I would be more OK with these penalties if they also gave the QB a penalty for a late slide. All the NFL looks at is OUTCOMES instead of causes and effects. And the NFL itself never blames themselves.

EVERY WEEK I see games where flags are thrown and penalties called and no one in the booth, including the experts and consultants in the rules knows what the fuck or where the penalty even occurred!

 

[mudwhistle]

When the QB runs with the ball, he is supposed to be no different than any RB. The NFL's "zero tolerance" policies for OUTCOMES is bullshit when they are the ones who are setting up the conditions.

I'm sick and tired of players getting stiff penalties for legal hits because they no longer know how to do their jobs without drawing a penalty because there is no legal way of making contact with human physiology. For instance, leading with the helmet--- it is near impossible not to lead with the helmet when the helmet is attached to the leading part of your body!

Then it's clear you didn't play much, because if you lead with your helmet you're going to fuck somebody up, including yourself.

Have you noticed how small the shoulder pads are now? It's because you don't hit with your shoulders. You hit with your arms and upper body. Not your head or shoulders. You can break your shoulder or your neck if you hit someone incorrectly.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hi CA; it looked like the defender braced his forearm and that was the initial contact; I see upon about half a dozen replays that it hit around his chin guard...am I correct? Are you sure that is legal? I'm a Rugby chappy and that'd be a sendoff every time.

Greg

You are correct Sir