What Fascism Is and What It Isn't

[bripat9643]

Mussolini split with the Socialists in the early 1920s. He was never a communist. Fascism is totalitarian, authoritarian, right wing and nationalistic. You should read some history instead of making it up to conform to your assumptions.

I've read tons of history, but I don't restrict my reading to leftwing propaganda.

Yes he was a communist, turd. commies often called them selves socialist.

Again, you define "right wing" by claiming it's "right wing." There's nothing intrinsically "right wing" about authoritarianism or nationalism. That's simply a leftwing fetish to define everything people don't like these days as "right wing."

 

[sealybobo]

You defined "right wing" by using the term "right wing" in your definition. Furthermore you also made a bunch of claims that haven't been established. Who says "authoritarian" "nationalist" or "nativist" (whatever that means) is right wing? Typical left propagada. They make a lot of claims about the meaning of "right wing" that haven't been established.

Wikipedia is leftwing propaganda.

This should make things clear

No German politician wants to be associated with President Trump. But even though Trump's name isn't popular with Germans, some say he's helping to normalize the anti-immigrant arguments of Germany's far-right.



The same groups Trump is in bed with QAnon. They are huge in Germany and they love Trump. So LITERALLY, the NAZI's love Trump. Some even believe he might be the new Hitler. Hitler tried to take over the world for the whites from Germany. They think Trump is their new Messiah only it'll happen starting here in America.

Opinion | QAnon believers tried overthrowing Germany's government. It’s just the start.

At a time of plummeting trust, the extremist ideology is a powerful tool for the far-right.

www.msnbc.com

Now Republicans will say, "it wasn't a coup". LOL Sound familiar?

These German's tried to make this rich guy a king. Republicans in America tried this with Trump.

 

[surada]

I've read tons of history, but I don't restrict my reading to leftwing propaganda.

Yes he was a communist, turd. commies often called them selves socialist.

Again, you define "right wing" by claiming it's "right wing." There's nothing intrinsically "right wing" about authoritarianism or nationalism. That's simply a leftwing fetish to define everything people don't like these days as "right wing."

You're very ignorant when it comes to history.

How Mussolini invented fascism

Fascism as envisioned by Benito Mussolini was always a left-wing political project.

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[Rigby5]

I've read tons of history, but I don't restrict my reading to leftwing propaganda.

Yes he was a communist, turd. commies often called them selves socialist.

Again, you define "right wing" by claiming it's "right wing." There's nothing intrinsically "right wing" about authoritarianism or nationalism. That's simply a leftwing fetish to define everything people don't like these days as "right wing."

Wrong.
Fascism was invented by the ancient Romans, meaning unity between members of the aristocracy, the military, and the priesthood, which later became replaced by corporate owners.
The word comes from the fascia, a wooden axe handle held by the Lictors, as a badge of office.
Every year there was a ceremony where these axe handles would be tied together in a bundle, to create a visual reminder of the added strength of unity.

None of the fascist leaders in modern history were progressive, liberal, represented the poor, were socialist or communist, etc.
All fascists have always been right wing leaders picked by the wealthy elite, and used the implication of racial superiority of the wealthy elite.

Hitler was never elected, but picked by Hindenburg, to do what the wealthy German elite told him to do.
{...
On January 30, 1933, President Paul von Hindenburg names Adolf Hitler, leader or führer of the National Socialist German Workers Party (or Nazi Party), as chancellor of Germany.

The year 1932 had seen Hitler’s meteoric rise to prominence in Germany, spurred largely by the German people’s frustration with dismal economic conditions and the still-festering wounds inflicted by defeat in the Great War and the harsh peace terms of the Versailles treaty. A charismatic speaker, Hitler channeled popular discontent with the post-war Weimar government into support for his fledgling Nazi party. In an election held in July 1932, the Nazis won 230 governmental seats; together with the Communists, the next largest party, they made up over half of the Reichstag.
...}

Mussolini was picked by the Italian king.
{...
Victor Emmanuel III, the king of Italy, invited Benito Mussolini to become Prime Minister on this day in 1922, ushering in the era of Fascist rule in Italy.
History has largely perceived the decision as a moment of weakness on the part of the king, a man of small physical stature who had never been particularly comfortable in his role.
Yet at the time, with violent clashes between socialist supporters and Mussolini’s Blackshirts occurring almost daily with both sides bent on revolution, Victor Emmanuel feared that Italy was on the brink of civil war.
...}

Francisco Franco was a monarchist.
{...
Born in Ferrol, Galicia, into an upper-class military family, Franco served in the Spanish Army as a cadet in the Toledo Infantry Academy from 1907 to 1910. While serving in Morocco, he rose through the ranks to become a brigadier general in 1926 at age 33, which made him the youngest general in all of Europe. Two years later, Franco became the director of the General Military Academy in Zaragoza. As a conservative and monarchist, Franco regretted the abolition of the monarchy and the establishment of the Second Republic in 1931, and was devastated by the closing of his academy; nevertheless, he continued his service in the Republican Army.[2] His career was boosted after the right-wing CEDA and PRR won the 1933 election, empowering him to lead the suppression of the 1934 uprising in Asturias. Franco was briefly elevated to Chief of Army Staff before the 1936 election moved the leftist Popular Front into power, relegating him to the Canary Islands. Initially reluctant, he joined the July 1936 military coup, which, after failing to take Spain, sparked the Spanish Civil War.
During the war, he commanded Spain's African colonial army and later, following the deaths of much of the rebel leadership, became his faction's only leader, being appointed Generalissimo and head of state in 1936. He consolidated all nationalist parties into the FET y de las JONS (creating a one-party state). Three years later the Nationalists declared victory, which extended Franco's dictatorship over Spain through a period of repression of political opponents. His dictatorship's use of forced labor, concentration camps and executions led to between 30,000 and 50,000 deaths.[9] Combined with wartime killings, this brings the death toll of the White Terror to between 100,000 and 200,000.[11]
...}

You sort of have this backwards.
Authoritarianism is always for the financial benefit of a wealthy elite.
So that then has to always be a capitalist, for profit, motive.
Communism and socialism have a cooperative and sharing motive, so then can NEVER be authoritarian.
If a government is authoritarian, then it can not possibly be socialist or communist, no matter what anyone says about it.

 

[Rigby5]

Right wing and left wing are arbitrary terms so have no intrinsic meaning.
But in the US, those who represent the working poor majority have wanted things like collective bargaining unions, and those supporting that have become known as Leftists.
In the US, those who represent the wealthy elite have wanted to prevent changes that would reduce the power wealth has over the lives of their employees, and have become known as right wing.

 

[bripat9643]

This should make things clear

No German politician wants to be associated with President Trump. But even though Trump's name isn't popular with Germans, some say he's helping to normalize the anti-immigrant arguments of Germany's far-right.



The same groups Trump is in bed with QAnon. They are huge in Germany and they love Trump. So LITERALLY, the NAZI's love Trump. Some even believe he might be the new Hitler. Hitler tried to take over the world for the whites from Germany. They think Trump is their new Messiah only it'll happen starting here in America.

Opinion | QAnon believers tried overthrowing Germany's government. It’s just the start.

At a time of plummeting trust, the extremist ideology is a powerful tool for the far-right.

www.msnbc.com

Now Republicans will say, "it wasn't a coup". LOL Sound familiar?

These German's tried to make this rich guy a king. Republicans in America tried this with Trump.

how does that prove fascism is "right wing?" You do know what this discussion is about, don't you? All you proved is that your babbling moron.

 

[Lastamender]

Hard right Italian conservatives embraced Mussolini and Fascism.

Were you there?

 

[surada]

I've read tons of history, but I don't restrict my reading to leftwing propaganda.

Yes he was a communist, turd. commies often called them selves socialist.

Again, you define "right wing" by claiming it's "right wing." There's nothing intrinsically "right wing" about authoritarianism or nationalism. That's simply a leftwing fetish to define everything people don't like these days as "right wing."

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Dragonlady]

God! You leftist vermin are precious with this "Nazis LOVE Trump" shit.

We love the high-pitched squealy noises you make when you're terrified.........................

Which is ALL THE TIME!

Thank you for the wonderful entertainment, from the bottom of my heart. I'm snowed in today and a little bored. Keep it up!


.

I guess you've failed to notice all of the swastika flags and NAZI iconography that Trump has used throughout his campaigns. He's been called out for it on numerous occasions.

Donald Trump is urging his supporters to carry 'Trump Cards,' but some say it resembles Nazi symbol

On Twitter, some users compared the golden eagle displayed on one of the cards to the imperial eagle, or Reichsadler, used by the Nazis from 1933 to 1945

nationalpost.com

Facebook Removes Trump Ads Displaying Symbol Used by Nazis (Published 2020)

Nazis used a red triangle to classify political prisoners during World War II. The Trump campaign said the red triangle in its Facebook ads was associated with antifa, a claim experts rejected.

www.nytimes.com

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I guess you've failed to notice all of the swastika flags and NAZI iconography that Trump has used throughout his campaigns. He's been called out for it on numerous occasions.

Donald Trump is urging his supporters to carry 'Trump Cards,' but some say it resembles Nazi symbol

On Twitter, some users compared the golden eagle displayed on one of the cards to the imperial eagle, or Reichsadler, used by the Nazis from 1933 to 1945

nationalpost.com

Facebook Removes Trump Ads Displaying Symbol Used by Nazis (Published 2020)

Nazis used a red triangle to classify political prisoners during World War II. The Trump campaign said the red triangle in its Facebook ads was associated with antifa, a claim experts rejected.

www.nytimes.com

.



I guess you hope that everyone here has failed to notice that you are one of the two or three biggest liars on this board.



.

 

[struth]

Hard right Italian conservatives embraced Mussolini and Fascism.

and they gave us socialist light
….

 

[bripat9643]

Were you there?

How does he determine they were hard right? Because they endorsed Mussolini. Circular logic is the core of leftwing group think.

 

[bripat9643]

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia is leftwing propaganda, fool.

 

[surada]

Wikipedia is leftwing propaganda, fool.

There are plenty of links. Mussolini split with the Socialists in 1914. He invented Fascism by 1919.

 

[surada]

How does he determine they were hard right? Because they endorsed Mussolini. Circular logic is the core of leftwing group think.

I'm not a he.

Fascism is a totalitarian one party system.

Fascism | History of Western Civilization II

courses.lumenlearning.com

 

[bripat9643]

There are plenty of links. Mussolini split with the Socialists in 1914. He invented Fascism by 1919.

He invented another flavor of socialism, moron. You proved exactly nothing.

 

[bripat9643]

Right wing and left wing are arbitrary terms so have no intrinsic meaning.

You could have ended the discussion there.

Where do you get off calling anyone "hard right?"

 

[surada]

He invented another flavor of socialism, moron. You proved exactly nothing.

You'll never learn anything if you don't read.

Fascism | History of Western Civilization II

courses.lumenlearning.com

 

[bripat9643]

You'll never learn anything if you don't read.

Fascism | History of Western Civilization II

courses.lumenlearning.com

The only thing you "learn" is propaganda.

 

[surada]

The only thing you "learn" is propaganda.

Trump loves the uneducated. He can control them.

https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/6206c37b9d9e380022bed32f/is-it-fascism-is-it-socialism/https://newsletters.theatlantic.com/peacefield/6206c37b9d9e380022bed32f/is-it-fascism-is-it-socialism/