What Putin Wants from the Ukraine Conflict

[Deadstick]

How long did Putin say it would take?

He didn't

 

[jc456]

He invaded to evict the New World Order's presence from Ukraine. The NWO had been there in some for or another slowly turning Ukraine into a tool to push Russia off the economic world stage. It was a matter of survival for Russia. Like hit first or be shoved off a cliff. If another country snuck into Mexico, turned it's government against us and started sneding weapons there, you bet your ASS we'd invade.

Russia does not want NATO on their border per the agreement that was signed by the US and other NATO countries after World War 11

 

[JohnDB]

Thanks for clarifying jc456 post!

Russia lost in Afghanistan like we lost in Vietnam or Afghanistan. They withdrew for political reasons, not due to any military defeat.

But like every empire, a few get wealthy by exploiting a colony's resources, while the majority of their people sacrifice their sons lives and get nothing in return.

If this Ukrainian war is all about Uranium, the people of Russia, the U.S. and Western Europe should know about it.

BTW - I'm sure Western Europe values Uranium even more than Russia or the U.S.

They do....but for A LOT of politicians it's about money laundering and kickbacks.

Hunter Biden's business has been ALL over the news along with Burisma. The warfare entitles Ukranian banks to not audit large sources of cash deposits....and everyone closes their eyes intentionally as those deposits are made.
But the reality is that sausage/pretzel carts and laundromats do not generate millions of dollars in profits. All owned by politicians and dark money contributors.
Which then is transferred into IMF banking system banks...ultimately used to invest in legitimate businesses.

On top of this the CIA and Military Industrial complex are having a field day....with an air of legitimacy for their equipment field successes. In which their latest generation of successful equipment seemingly quadrupled in price overnight. For "cost increases" you understand....(are you smelling the BS yet?)

Those are the dirty secrets nobody really wants to discuss.

 

[JohnDB]

Russia does not want NATO on their border per the agreement that was signed by the US and other NATO countries after World War 11

Russian Federation did not exist then. The USSR did. All treaties with the USSR are gone.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Russia does not want NATO on their border per the agreement that was signed by the US and other NATO countries after World War 11

What agreement?

 

[JohnDB]

So no, I don't care or worry about Radon gas.

You don't care about radon in the atmosphere.
You care so little; you dropped it into this thread. LOL!

What I'm explaining is why we use Ukranian Uranium to fuel our reactors.

We use it because of radon. Got it.

We will not mine our uranium deposits inside the USA because of costs. Ukrainian Uranium is much cheaper by orders of magnitude.

 

[jc456]

Russian Federation did not exist then. The USSR did. All treaties with the USSR are gone.

it is an agreement that was breached, and every NATO country signed it. The treaty they signed in 1990 extended NATO into East Germany, which had been zoned to the Soviet Union. To appease the Soviets, it also granted the territory a "special military status" that ruled out the stationing of foreign NATO forces there.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

12,000 American Trannies are free to fight for Ukraine starting Jan 20th.

WTF are you blabbering about now?

 

[JohnDB]

it is an agreement that was breached, and every NATO country signed it. The treaty they signed in 1990 extended NATO into East Germany, which had been zoned to the Soviet Union. To appease the Soviets, it also granted the territory a "special military status" that ruled out the stationing of foreign NATO forces there.

And Soviets no longer exist. There is no Soviet Union just like there is no Persian Empire anymore either.

There currently exists the Russian Federation without any formal agreement with NATO.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Russia does not want NATO on their border per the agreement that was signed by the US and other NATO countries after World War 11

How do you explain Finland and Norway? They both have a border with Russia.

 

[jc456]

How do you explain Finland and Norway? They both have a border with Russia.

Were they there in 1990?

 

[JGalt]

Just when I think you can't possibly get more stupid, you say things like this.

Obama and Biden both saw war in Ukraine during their presidencies, while Trump didn't

Os that so fucking hard for you to understand, ya fucking loser?

 

[AlexanderPK]

Kinda like suggesting that upset people of color should drag their asses back to Africa.

The difference is Russians were there first, Hohols came later. They are the aliens in Donbass, not Russians.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Who said Russia was going to win in three weeks? i never heard any Russian say that, and it's taking longer because the Russians don't want to make Ukraine look like Gaza,

Man, you stealing all my thoughts and putting them in a more digestible format. How come that the forever russophobic Britain raised a decent and sane person like you?

 

[gipper]

I agree that Putin can be more patient once Trump was elected President

He knows Trump promised a quick solution and has little tolerance for negotiation.

Putin will wait us out and take the casualties. But, like the US found out in Afghanistan and Vietnam, maintaining an occupying Army gets expensive. If Russia is not looked at as liberators and there is a resistance movement, it will become an economic burden.

There is also the question of lifting economic sanctions

Vietnam and Afghanistan are thousands of miles from the USA. Ukraine is right next door to Russia. So, costs aren’t comparable.

Secondly there is no occupation. Eastern Ukraine is pro-Russia.

Western sanctions have done little to harm Russia economically, from reports I’ve read. In fact, they’ve likely strengthened the economy.

 

[gipper]

Russia’s budget deficit at war is smaller than that of many Western countries at peace.

Because Russia has a tiny economy.

Apparently you don’t do math. Lol.

 

[rightwinger]

Vietnam and Afghanistan are thousands of miles from the USA. Ukraine is right next door to Russia. So, costs aren’t comparable.

Secondly there is no occupation. Eastern Ukraine is pro-Russia.

Western sanctions have done little to harm Russia economically, from reports I’ve read. In fact, they’ve likely strengthened the economy.

The costs of sending an army to fight is a sunk cost
Maintaining an Army in the field is expensive.
Food, shelter, munitions all add up

 

[gipper]

The costs of sending an army to fight is a sunk cost
Maintaining an Army in the field is expensive.
Food, shelter, munitions all add up

Tell that to your neocon friends in Genocide Joes administration and the pentagon.

 

[jc456]

And Soviets no longer exist. There is no Soviet Union just like there is no Persian Empire anymore either.

There currently exists the Russian Federation without any formal agreement with NATO.

 

[jc456]

What agreement?

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In 1949 the United States and 11 other Western nations formed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) amid the prospect of further Communist expansion. The Soviet Union and its affiliated Communist nations in Eastern Europe founded a rival alliance, the Warsaw Pact, in 1955.

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