When Deportations Start, Don't Freak Out

[JoeB131]

They will be deported quickly as low hanging Fruit when 47 takes office

Oh, you are going to be so disappointed.

Hey, if deporting them was so easy, why did Trump deport so few in his first term?

Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

During Donald Trump’s presidency the number of undocumented immigrants deported decreased drastically.[5] While under Trump's presidency, U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement has conducted hundreds of raids in workspaces and sent removal orders to families, they are not deporting as many immigrants as were deported under Obama's presidency. In Obama's first three years in office, around 1.18 million people were deported, while around 800,000 deportations took place under Trump in his three years of presidency.[5] In the final year of his presidency Trump deported an additional 186,000 immigrants, bringing his total to just under 1 million for his full presidency.[22]

Since Biden has taken over office, these numbers have increased drastically. During the course of the 24 months of the 2019 and 2020 fiscal years, the DHS documented 1.4 million arrests under Trump. On the other hand, in less than 26 months, the Biden administration's DHS has made over 5 million arrests. Furthermore, the Biden administration has deported the majority of individuals apprehended, but the Trump administration deported a minority of them. Specifically, the Biden government is deporting people at a rate that is 3.5 times higher each month than it was under Trump.[23]

 

[JoeB131]

Discuss what ? What is there to discuss ? These items are all mostly just common sense.

More people (unvetted) = more crime =more traffic = more pollution = more use of scarce resources = less hospital beds per capita = less school seats = less $$ for Americans = less housing available per capita (this is what has caused the astronomical inflation 100-200% in apartment rents) , etc etc etc.

Bullshit. Undocumented laborers are a net benefit, it's why so many companies are keen to hire them.

 

[justoffal]

Deportations on a large scale, are going to begin very soon after Trump takes office in January. Some of us may have gotten to know some of the people being deported.

Let's remember that all these deportees knew what they were getting into, when they came here, in violation of US law. For them, this has always been possibility, and is not a shock.
Let's also take note of the fact that thousands of the deportees committed a crime (US Code 8, Section 1325- EWI - Entry Without Inspection), and could arrested and imprisoned for 6 months + fined. That is IF they did not commit any other crime while they were here, in which case, the penalties could be much stiffer.

Getting off with only deportation and no fines or imprisonment, is not too bad, considering the consequences if they were held fully accountable, as thousands of American prisoners are, serving time in US prisons.

So just remember that the deportees created this situation, and they now are entering into the final phase of it. For children of the deportees, it is unfortunate, since they were either dragged here by their careless parents, or were born here. In either case, they can return to the original country with their parents, and hopefully those countries will not resist them at all.

Unless some of your friends are criminals you probably won't have to say goodbye to them for quite a while.

There are somewhere between 1 million and 2 million high-profile criminal cases that Homan has to deal with first. That's going to take him the better part of four years in my opinion.

 

[justoffal]

Oh, you are going to be so disappointed.

Hey, if deporting them was so easy, why did Trump deport so few in his first term?

Deportation and removal from the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

During Donald Trump’s presidency the number of undocumented immigrants deported decreased drastically.[5] While under Trump's presidency, U.S. Immigration Customs Enforcement has conducted hundreds of raids in workspaces and sent removal orders to families, they are not deporting as many immigrants as were deported under Obama's presidency. In Obama's first three years in office, around 1.18 million people were deported, while around 800,000 deportations took place under Trump in his three years of presidency.[5] In the final year of his presidency Trump deported an additional 186,000 immigrants, bringing his total to just under 1 million for his full presidency.[22]

Since Biden has taken over office, these numbers have increased drastically. During the course of the 24 months of the 2019 and 2020 fiscal years, the DHS documented 1.4 million arrests under Trump. On the other hand, in less than 26 months, the Biden administration's DHS has made over 5 million arrests. Furthermore, the Biden administration has deported the majority of individuals apprehended, but the Trump administration deported a minority of them. Specifically, the Biden government is deporting people at a rate that is 3.5 times higher each month than it was under Trump.[23]

But why have the numbers increased? Have they increased as a percentage of a stable base? Or have they increase because inevitably....the pool of selection has grown enormously?

 

[Mr Natural]

Mr Businessman loves his cheap labor.

Mr Businessman and His cronies will soon be running the country.

Hence, no deportations. Just a lot of lip service.

 

[JoeB131]

But why have the numbers increased? Have they increased as a percentage of a stable base? Or have they increase because inevitably....the pool of selection has grown enormously?

Probably a little of each. Biden really did abuse Title 42 long after the threat of Covid was over, for instance.

Here's the problem. First, demand for illegal labor has increased because we have an outright labor shortage in this country. Secondly, the supply of potential immigrants has increased because of conditions in their home countries, which the US is largely responsible for.

What we need to do is 1) Stop trying to punish Venezuela and Nicaragua for picking forms of government we don't like and 2) Invest heavily in Central America to create opportunities. The ironic thing is that the number of illegal Mexicans has decreased. Why? Largely because after NAFTA devastated the agricultural Mexican economy in the 1990s, increased manufacturing jobs in Mexico gave them reasons to stay home.

On the other end, we need to reduce the demand for illegal labor. We can do this by both cracking down on the companies that hire people illegally, and by making more temporary work visas available for unskilled labor in sectors that need them.

Walls don't work because a 20-foot wall can be defeated with a 21-foot ladder. Deportations don't work because they can just come back.

 

[Nobody911]

Deportations on a large scale, are going to begin very soon after Trump takes office in January. Some of us may have gotten to know some of the people being deported.

Let's remember that all these deportees knew what they were getting into, when they came here, in violation of US law. For them, this has always been possibility, and is not a shock.
Let's also take note of the fact that thousands of the deportees committed a crime (US Code 8, Section 1325- EWI - Entry Without Inspection), and could arrested and imprisoned for 6 months + fined. That is IF they did not commit any other crime while they were here, in which case, the penalties could be much stiffer.

Getting off with only deportation and no fines or imprisonment, is not too bad, considering the consequences if they were held fully accountable, as thousands of American prisoners are, serving time in US prisons.

So just remember that the deportees created this situation, and they now are entering into the final phase of it. For children of the deportees, it is unfortunate, since they were either dragged here by their careless parents, or were born here. In either case, they can return to the original country with their parents, and hopefully those countries will not resist them at all.

The debate over illegal immigration is complex, with arguments both for and against its perceived impact.

Arguments for Illegal Immigration as a Problem:

• Economic Strain: Critics argue that illegal immigrants burden public services, particularly in education and healthcare, increasing costs for taxpayers. For instance, educating children of undocumented immigrants can significantly strain school budgets[1][6].
• Security Concerns: There are fears that illegal immigration can compromise national security, allowing potential criminals or terrorists to enter unnoticed[1].
• Job Competition: Some claim that undocumented workers depress wages and take jobs from native-born citizens, particularly in low-skill sectors[4][7].

Arguments Against Illegal Immigration as a Problem:

• Economic Contributions: Many undocumented immigrants contribute positively to the economy by filling essential roles in agriculture, construction, and service industries. They also pay taxes and support Social Security without receiving benefits[2][8].
• Labor Market Dynamics: Economists argue that illegal immigrants often take jobs that legal residents are unwilling to accept, thus filling critical labor shortages[3][5].
• Long-Term Benefits of Legalization: Granting legal status could enhance economic productivity and tax revenues, benefiting the broader economy[3][4].

In summary, while illegal immigration poses challenges, it also brings significant economic contributions that complicate the narrative of it being solely a problem.

Sources:
[1] Illegal Immigration
[2] How Does Immigration Affect the U.S. Economy?
[3] Undocumented Immigrants: How immigration plays a critical role
[4] Economic impact of illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia
[5] https://www.gao.gov/assets/pad-80-22.pdf
[6] The Consequences of Unchecked Illegal Immigration on America’s Public Schools
[7] Illegal Immigration's Effects on the U.S. Economy and Policy
[8] Five ways undocumented immigrants are powering the American economy


Legal precedents against mass deportations, particularly those proposed by Trump, focus on constitutional protections and previous court rulings:

1. Fifth Amendment Protections: The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process, which has been upheld in various cases preventing arbitrary deportations without fair hearings. Courts have ruled against policies that sidestep these protections, as seen during the Trump administration's attempts to expedite deportation processes [1][2].

2. Alien Enemies Act Limitations: While Trump may attempt to invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 for mass deportations, legal experts argue that its application is limited to wartime and cannot broadly target undocumented immigrants [3][5]. Historical use of this act has faced significant scrutiny and legal challenges.

3. State vs. Federal Authority: Legal precedents affirm that only the federal government can enforce immigration laws, preventing states from creating their own deportation systems. This principle has been upheld in cases challenging state laws that attempt to enforce immigration policy [1][2].

4. Potential for Legal Challenges: Democratic attorneys general have indicated they will mount legal challenges against any misuse of military forces for domestic deportation efforts, emphasizing constitutional rights violations [2][4].

These precedents suggest that any aggressive mass deportation strategy would likely face substantial legal hurdles and challenges in courts across the country. Don't freak out!

Sources:
[1] Trump on Immigration | American Civil Liberties Union
[2] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/23/democrat-attorneys-general-trump-mass-deportations-00191332
[3] Fact check: Can Trump use a 1798 law to carry out mass deportations?
[4] Near Certain Cataclysmic Consequences of a Mass Deportation Program
[5] Anti-Immigrant Extremists Want to Use this 226-Year-Old Law to Implement a Mass Deportation Program | ACLU
[6] Mass Deportation in the U.S.: Explainer
[7] Illegal Immigration
[8] How would Trump’s promise of mass deportations of migrants work?

 

[Unkotare]

...Of course her life in Mexico, Central America is horrid. it's sad.
...

Mexico is not in Central America.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

But you will NEVER get the likes of leeches like Road Runner and DakotaKai_fan20 to EVER actually work......they have an excuse.......and YOU, YES YOU....support their choice NOT to work strictly because they LOVE trump.

It's sad.

Go get a job.
C'mon protectionist, put these leeches down and call them out.
But, NO, you will "protect" them.........sad

Leave me and my friend out of your mentions. The harassment must cease. Don't mention us again.

 

[Failzero]

Tajikistan is not Central America

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Tajikistan is not Central America

Yes, it is in Asia.

 

[Failzero]

Yes, it is in Asia.

More Illegal Tajiks have came in under Biden in 4 years ( Than Irish Visa overstayers hung around in the US from 1970-1990 )

 

[daveman]

Wait, I thought you have to have a government issued identification to board a plane in the U.S., one with a photo on it?

A notice to appear is not an ID so how does this work?

Democrats have declared the rules don't apply to undocumented Democrats.

 

[protectionist]

. Specifically, the Biden government is deporting people at a rate that is 3.5 times higher each month than it was under Trump.[23]

Oh, are you going to be disappointed, because >>
your ludicrous statement is FALSE - unless you, (like Obama & Biden) define "deportation" as the issuance of a summons to appear in court, (wherin nobody shows up, and nobody gets actually "deported") ie. sent out of the country.

As usual, liberals continue to be DUPED by leftwing media and university propagandists.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

After the illegals are deported, the companies will have no choice but to raise pay, to hire American workers.

Yeah. Good luck with that. It won't happen...any of it.

 

[Failzero]

Trump will Deport 2x the number BHO ( Deporter & Chief ) had

 

[protectionist]

The debate over illegal immigration is complex, with arguments both for and against its perceived impact.

Arguments for Illegal Immigration as a Problem:

• Economic Strain: Critics argue that illegal immigrants burden public services, particularly in education and healthcare, increasing costs for taxpayers. For instance, educating children of undocumented immigrants can significantly strain school budgets[1][6].
• Security Concerns: There are fears that illegal immigration can compromise national security, allowing potential criminals or terrorists to enter unnoticed[1].
• Job Competition: Some claim that undocumented workers depress wages and take jobs from native-born citizens, particularly in low-skill sectors[4][7].

Arguments Against Illegal Immigration as a Problem:

• Economic Contributions: Many undocumented immigrants contribute positively to the economy by filling essential roles in agriculture, construction, and service industries. They also pay taxes and support Social Security without receiving benefits[2][8].
• Labor Market Dynamics: Economists argue that illegal immigrants often take jobs that legal residents are unwilling to accept, thus filling critical labor shortages[3][5].
• Long-Term Benefits of Legalization: Granting legal status could enhance economic productivity and tax revenues, benefiting the broader economy[3][4].

In summary, while illegal immigration poses challenges, it also brings significant economic contributions that complicate the narrative of it being solely a problem.

Sources:
[1] Illegal Immigration
[2] How Does Immigration Affect the U.S. Economy?
[3] Undocumented Immigrants: How immigration plays a critical role
[4] Economic impact of illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia
[5] https://www.gao.gov/assets/pad-80-22.pdf
[6] The Consequences of Unchecked Illegal Immigration on America’s Public Schools
[7] Illegal Immigration's Effects on the U.S. Economy and Policy
[8] Five ways undocumented immigrants are powering the American economy


Legal precedents against mass deportations, particularly those proposed by Trump, focus on constitutional protections and previous court rulings:

1. Fifth Amendment Protections: The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process, which has been upheld in various cases preventing arbitrary deportations without fair hearings. Courts have ruled against policies that sidestep these protections, as seen during the Trump administration's attempts to expedite deportation processes [1][2].

2. Alien Enemies Act Limitations: While Trump may attempt to invoke the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 for mass deportations, legal experts argue that its application is limited to wartime and cannot broadly target undocumented immigrants [3][5]. Historical use of this act has faced significant scrutiny and legal challenges.

3. State vs. Federal Authority: Legal precedents affirm that only the federal government can enforce immigration laws, preventing states from creating their own deportation systems. This principle has been upheld in cases challenging state laws that attempt to enforce immigration policy [1][2].

4. Potential for Legal Challenges: Democratic attorneys general have indicated they will mount legal challenges against any misuse of military forces for domestic deportation efforts, emphasizing constitutional rights violations [2][4].

These precedents suggest that any aggressive mass deportation strategy would likely face substantial legal hurdles and challenges in courts across the country. Don't freak out!

Sources:
[1] Trump on Immigration | American Civil Liberties Union
[2] https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/23/democrat-attorneys-general-trump-mass-deportations-00191332
[3] Fact check: Can Trump use a 1798 law to carry out mass deportations?
[4] Near Certain Cataclysmic Consequences of a Mass Deportation Program
[5] Anti-Immigrant Extremists Want to Use this 226-Year-Old Law to Implement a Mass Deportation Program | ACLU
[6] Mass Deportation in the U.S.: Explainer
[7] Illegal Immigration
[8] How would Trump’s promise of mass deportations of migrants work?

We may very likely see a re-run of Eisenhower's Operation Wetback (1954- 1959).

A million illegals were deported back to Mexico, Another million fled on their own when Ike's INS cops went house to house in southwestern states, hunting down illegals and arresting them.

Many of them were transported to Vera Cruz by ship, and to shorelines south of there. As a 9 year old boy living in Villahermosa, Tabasco at the time (1955), I watched the American ships with binoculars, from the beach, arriving and dumping illegal alien men into the shallow water, from which they waded ashore, by the thousands.

American liberals & the Mexican government protested furiously. Eisenhower paid no attention to them at all.

 

[Failzero]

We may very likely see a re-run of Eisenhower's Operation Wetback (1954- 1959).

A million illegals were deported back to Mexico, Another million fled on their own when Ike's INS cops went house to house in southwestern states, hunting down illegals and arresting them.

Many of them were transported to Vera Cruz by ship, and to shorelines south of there. As a 9 year old boy living in Villahermosa, Tabasco at the time (1955), I watched the American ships with binoculars, from the beach, arriving and dumping illegal alien men into the shallow water, from which they waded ashore, by the thousands.

American liberals & the Mexican government protested furiously. Eisenhower paid no attention to them at all.

And it kept states like California and Arizona stable and highly livable well into the 1970s

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, are you going to be disappointed, because >>
your ludicrous statement is FALSE - unless you, (like Obama & Biden) define "deportation" as the issuance of a summons to appear in court, (wherin nobody shows up, and nobody gets actually "deported") ie. sent out of the country.

As usual, liberals continue to be DUPED by leftwing media and university propagandists.

Actually, most immigrants show up at court for their hearings.

Biden deported far more people than Trump has. The problem is they are coming in faster as well.

Trump will try to mass deport people, but that will become unpopular the first time the News shows a crying child asking "Where's my mommy" when someone married to a citizen gets deported despite working honestly in a job.

 

[Failzero]

Actually, most immigrants show up at court for their hearings.

Biden deported far more people than Trump has. The problem is they are coming in faster as well.

Trump will try to mass deport people, but that will become unpopular the first time the News shows a crying child asking "Where's my mommy" when someone married to a citizen gets deported despite working honestly in a job.

Same way the Media failed to show grieving Families of Folks killed by illegals ?