When Push Comes to Shove, Our European 'Allies' Are Paper Tigers

[kyzr]

There was no EU during Chamberlain's tenure - so you post a lie, bull&crap

EU = Europe dumbass with or without Britain. There is no EU military now either. Feckless deadbeats.

There is an "application procedure, that also beholds "requirements" for a NATO applicant - aka no such thing as, okay tomorrow you are a member. - so you post bull&crap.

re-read your post dumbass. Ukraine was blocked since Bush

Ukraine Wanted to Join NATO's Alliance for Years. What Stopped It?

In the years before war, Ukraine’s leaders made enthusiastic pleas about their desire to bring the country into NATO, and the prospect rose in popularity in public polls.

www.nbcchicago.com

“Welcoming [Ukraine and Georgia] into the Membership Action Plan would send a signal to their citizens that if they continue on the path to democracy and reform they will be welcomed into the institutions of Europe,” Bush said in a speech. “It would send a signal throughout the region that these two nations are, and will remain, sovereign and independent states.
“So my country's position is clear: NATO should welcome Georgia and Ukraine into the Membership Action Plan.”
But Bush didn’t garner support from key allies, including France, Germany and others, The New York Times reported, amid fears the decision would inflame tensions with Russia. And indeed, Putin — still serving in his first stint as president — and other Ru

See your first statement:
The feckless EU ALWAYS gave in to aggressors rather than put up troops.

The EU (or Europe) gave in to Hitler's demands, and to Putin's demands.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

kyzr is arguing something that did not exist parallel to our world today.

 

[Kruska]

EU = Europe dumbass with or without Britain. There is no EU military now either. Feckless deadbeats.

Listen moron - LISTEN!

Those units are called e.g. Dutch-German, French-German brigades and even a British-German Battalion planed to be raised to a British-German brigade by 2026.
The Official term is: EU Battlegroups since 2008, and are an integral part of the European Union's military rapid reaction capacity.

Attempts by Germany/France and others to form additional "EU Battlegroups" since 2012 was objected to by the USA - calling onto the "joint NATO spirit". - Now go and educate yourself, instead of spreading the typical MAGA & Lefty/Lib, lies, bull&crap.

re-read your post dumbass. Ukraine was blocked since Bush

Ukraine Wanted to Join NATO's Alliance for Years. What Stopped It?

In the years before war, Ukraine’s leaders made enthusiastic pleas about their desire to bring the country into NATO, and the prospect rose in popularity in public polls.

www.nbcchicago.com

“Welcoming [Ukraine and Georgia] into the Membership Action Plan would send a signal to their citizens that if they continue on the path to democracy and reform they will be welcomed into the institutions of Europe,” Bush said in a speech. “It would send a signal throughout the region that these two nations are, and will remain, sovereign and independent states.
“So my country's position is clear: NATO should welcome Georgia and Ukraine into the Membership Action Plan.”
But Bush didn’t garner support from key allies, including France, Germany and others, The New York Times reported, amid fears the decision would inflame tensions with Russia. And indeed, Putin — still serving in his first stint as president — and other Ru

Thanks for letting me know, that according to YOU, Bush was the US president in 2014.

Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994 and the NATO-Ukraine Commission in 1997, then agreed the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan in 2002 and entered into NATO's Intensified Dialogue program in 2005. - that was under Bush - you idiot.
Decision by NATO Leaders at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of NATO. - that was under Bush - as well you moron.

EDUCATE yourself - YOU Trump sheep

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

Do feel free to show me an "official" statement by Trump on behalf of the USA&NATO rejecting Ukraine's NATO full membership application from 2014, between 2017-2021, you mental MAGA midget.

The EU (or Europe) gave in to Hitler's demands,

To prevent a war between Germany and Czechoslovakia - you dolt

How should Chamberlain have known about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of August 1939???, Hitler&Stalin thus attacking jointly Poland in September 1939, Stalin thus attacking Finland in Nov. 1939 and thus Stalin attacking the Baltic's in 1940 - whilst signing the Munich accord on September 1938 - off course your narcissistic LIAR in CHIEF will state (I would have known this had I been US president at the time).

and to Putin's demands.

To what Putin demands did the EU give in???

Stop LYING and spreading BULL&CRAP - Typical and well known MAGA & Lefty/Lib tactics.

 

[kyzr]

Listen moron - LISTEN! Those units are called e.g. Dutch-German, French-German brigades and even a British-German Battalion planed to be raised to a British-German brigade by 2026.
The Official term is: EU Battlegroups since 2008, and are an integral part of the European Union's military rapid reaction capacity.
Attempts by Germany/France and others to form additional "EU Battlegroups" since 2012 was objected to by the USA -

The US objected to NATO forming battle-groups? I call BULLSHIT. Put up a link.

calling onto the "joint NATO spirit". - Now go and educate yourself, instead of spreading the typical MAGA & Lefty/Lib, lies, bull&crap.
Thanks for letting me know, that according to YOU, Bush was the US president in 2014.
Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994 and the NATO-Ukraine Commission in 1997, then agreed the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan in 2002 and entered into NATO's Intensified Dialogue program in 2005. - that was under Bush - you idiot.
Do feel free to show me an "official" statement by Trump on behalf of the USA&NATO rejecting Ukraine's NATO full membership application from 2014, between 2017-2021, you mental MAGA midget.

You type a lot but don't link anything proving your point. Read the link in post #21 until you comprehend it.;

To prevent a war between Germany and Czechoslovakia - you dolt
How should Chamberlain have known about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact of August 1939???, Hitler&Stalin thus attacking jointly Poland in September 1939, Stalin thus attacking Finland in Nov. 1939 and thus Stalin attacking the Baltic's in 1940 - whilst signing the Munich accord on September 1939 - off course your narcissistic LIAR in CHIEF will state (I would have known this had I been US president at the time).

My point was the EU gave Hitler Czechoslovakia instead of saying "no".

To what Putin demands did the EU give in???
Stop LYING and spreading BULL&CRAP - Typical and well known MAGA & Lefty/Lib tactics.

Putin said Ukraine could NOT join NATO. NATO buckled to Putin, read below. Proving my point the EU gives in.
Re-copied from my previous post #21:
“So my country's position is clear: NATO should welcome Georgia and Ukraine into the Membership Action Plan.”
But Bush didn’t garner support from key allies, including France, Germany and others, The New York Times reported, amid fears the decision would inflame tensions with Russia. And indeed, Putin — still serving in his first stint as president"

 

[Kruska]

The US objected to NATO forming battle-groups? I call BULLSHIT. Put up a link.

YOU stated there is no EU military, and I proved your statement to be a LIE - and now the TRUMP sheep is asking for links

The idea of a common European force was revived in the 1990s as the European Union was formed, but the concept lost favor due to U.S. opposition and commitment to NATO.

Go and find a link yourself, you dumb&ignorant MAGA sheep.
Let me help you my little MAGA lamb - check out the US based CSIS org. site.

The link YOU forwarded in regards to Bush - is BULLSHIT - see my NATO link - e.g. 2005 and 2008 with YOUR Bush having been president.

FYI - I served in the Bundeswehr from 1983 - 2003 - and I am still "daily"&"professionally" involved in military and foreign relation matters on an inter-governmental level.

And NO - the EU did NOT give Hitler Czechoslovaia - you idiot - Chamberlain (UK) gave Sudetenland to Hitler to AVOID Hitler taking ALL of Czechoslovakia.


Also why do MAGA cretins - never answer onto:

Do feel free to show me an "official" statement by Trump on behalf of the USA&NATO rejecting Ukraine's NATO full membership application from 2014, between 2017-2021 - you know "If I had been President this war would never ....."

MAGA's & Lefty/Libs - the same fuckin lying bunch of retards and party sheep.

 

[yidnar]

NONSENSE - that war got started in 2014 due to Ukraine's official bid to join NATO in 2013/14 - a bid that was NEVER rejected by any US Administration - and certainly not by Trump, during his entire 4 years lasting, 1st stint.

And as stated many times - YOUR Trump didn't do shit during his entire first stint, to get Russia out of Crimea nor Donbass & Luhansk. WHY ???

Furthermore what influence or say did Ukraine have in regards to abandoning it's nukes?? It was FOREMOST "demanded" by the USA and Russia. The security assurances the USA/UK and Russia gave Ukraine - proved to be not even worth the paper they were written on.

There is NO WAY to coordinate a NATO strategy, if some Trump (or whatever US president) simply decides to overturn a fully functional defense policy lasting for 75 years in a matter of weeks - to simply please Russia.

I am however absolutely clear about the FACT - that these Fuck'in useless European politicians - didn't do shit either since 2021 in view of the human scumbag, very likely returning to power on November 2024.

It's also absolutely no surprise, however it's still mindbogglingly to me, as to how fuck'in dumb and retarded MAGA's and Lefty/Lib morons are. Maybe the two of you could form a coalition government. ??

Trump sent weapons and Russia didn't invade deeper .. the truth is Putin invaded Ukraine during 2 weak dem admins ... the lying left can twist and squirm and lie all they want .. the facts are the facts ! Putin invaded during the Obama and the Briben admins .. that a simple fact !

 

[yidnar]

Biden is gone, yidnar. That's over and done.

What is now is Trump, and he is failing.

at least he's trying to bring both sides to the table .. I have no problem with Europe fully funding and defending the Ukraine .. America has spent enough on oversea wars !

 

[Kruska]

Trump sent weapons and Russia didn't invade deeper .. the truth is Putin invaded Ukraineduring 2 weak dem admins ... the lying left can twist and squirm and lie all they want .. the facts are the facts ! Putin invaded during the Obama and the Briben admins .. that a simple fact !

Oh my GOD!! so Trump provoked Putin to attack Ukraine.

Who cares about the known MAGA&Lefty/lib Lies, bull&crap ???
Neither Obama nor Biden ever claimed that Putin wouldn't attack Ukraine - because they are the US presidents.

Answer my question:

Do feel free to show me an "official" statement by Trump on behalf of the USA&NATO rejecting Ukraine's NATO full membership application from 2014, between 2017-2021 - you know "If I had been President this war would never ....." whilst the same useless felon didn't do SHIT - to force or even negotiate with Putin to return Crimea and pull out Russian troops from Ukraine's Donbass & Luhansk regions.

Your Trump is a RUSSIAN ASSET - since latest taking office in 2017 - he has been acting and speaking SOLELY in favor of Putin.

Now eat that you MAGA Putin lover and your US Lefty/Libs brethren - Just as the AfD & Lefty/Libs in Germany - solely in favor of Russia/Putin - whilst solely spreading LIES, BULL&CRAP in regards to Ukraine.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

at least he's trying to bring both sides to the table .. I have no problem with Europe fully funding and defending the Ukraine .. America has spent enough on oversea wars !

He does not care. All he wants is the rare earth and minerals, but that is gone forever.

 

[yidnar]

Oh my GOD!! so Trump provoked Putin to attack Ukraine.

Who cares about the known MAGA&Lefty/lib Lies, bull&crap ???
Neither Obama nor Biden ever claimed that Putin wouldn't attack Ukraine - because they are the US presidents.

Answer my question:

Do feel free to show me an "official" statement by Trump on behalf of the USA&NATO rejecting Ukraine's NATO full membership application from 2014, between 2017-2021 - you know "If I had been President this war would never ....." whilst the same useless felon didn't do SHIT - to force or even negotiate with Putin to return Crimea and pull out Russian troops from Ukraine's Donbass & Luhansk regions.

Your Trump is a RUSSIAN ASSET - since latest taking office in 2017 - he has been acting and speaking SOLELY in favor of Putin.

Now eat that you MAGA Putin lover and your US Lefty/Libs brethren - Just as the AfD & Lefty/Libs in Germany - solely in favor of Russia/Putin - whilst solely spreading LIES, BULL&CRAP in regards to Ukraine.

lol ! look at the commie trying to deflect ! I take it you live in Europe ! if your do tell you EU socialist allies to step up and drive Russia out of Ukraine ! and why are you on this boardrunning you cock garage ! shouldn't you be picking up a weapon and going to the front lines to defend your continent ? I hear ya talking but ya ain't acting coward !

 

[kyzr]

YOU stated there is no EU military, and I proved your statement to be a LIE - and now the TRUMP sheep is asking for links
The idea of a common European force was revived in the 1990s as the European Union was formed, but the concept lost favor due to U.S. opposition and commitment to NATO.

Go and find a link yourself, you dumb&ignorant MAGA sheep. Let me help you my little MAGA lamb - check out the US based CSIS org. site.
The link YOU forwarded in regards to Bush - is BULLSHIT - see my NATO link - e.g. 2005 and 2008 with YOUR Bush having been president.
FYI - I served in the Bundeswehr from 1983 - 2003 - and I am still "daily"&"professionally" involved in military and foreign relation matters on an inter-governmental level.

Do feel free to show me an "official" statement by Trump on behalf of the USA&NATO rejecting Ukraine's NATO full membership application from 2014, between 2017-2021 - you know "If I had been President this war would never .....
MAGA's & Lefty/Libs - the same fuckin lying bunch of retards and party sheep.

You can type all the bullshit you want. It doesn't prove anything.

Calling my link with direct quotes bullshit is dishonest. Have a nice evening.

 

[Kruska]

lol ! look at the commie trying to deflect ! I take it you live in Europe ! if your do tell you EU socialist allies to step up and drive Russia out of Ukraine ! and why are you on this boardrunning you cock garage ! shouldn't you be picking up a weapon and going to the front lines to defend your continent ? I hear ya talking but ya ain't acting coward !

You got anything else to offer besides the known MAGA & Lefty/lib LIES BULL&CRAP? - off course not.
Since that is all, you MAGA's & Lefty/libs have to offer. See your above post and thus it's verification of endless stupidity.

 

[Kruska]

You can type all the bullshit you want. It doesn't prove anything.

Calling my link with direct quotes bullshit is dishonest. Have a nice evening.

Sleep tight my little MAGA lamb.

 

[Kruska]

Calling my link with direct quotes bullshit is dishonest. Have a nice evening.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37750.htm

• Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994 and the NATO-Ukraine Commission in 1997, then agreed the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan in 2002 and entered into NATO's Intensified Dialogue program in 2005. - that was under Bush - you idiot.
  Decision by NATO Leaders at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of NATO. - that was under Bush - you moron.

So YOUR cut off quote that is actually reflecting onto Georgia, is? BULLSHIT in regards to UKRAINE.

 

[LeftofLeft]

What will Europe think of us?

 

[scruffy]

at least he's trying to bring both sides to the table .. I have no problem with Europe fully funding and defending the Ukraine .. America has spent enough on oversea wars !

Ukraine will get nowhere without the US.

Europe has no stomach for fighting Russians.

 

[jknowgood]

Biden is gone, yidnar. That's over and done.

What is now is Trump, and he is failing.

Failing to make Biden's failure a positive after a month? Are you serious?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Failing to make Biden's failure a positive after a month? Are you serious?

I am serious that Trump is a walking failure. He could follow Reagan, and he would have failed.

Unlike Reagan and Clinton, he does not care about any of us.

 

[Kruska]

What will Europe think of us?

Actually - nothing else as they had thought before, about the USA.

One also needs to differentiate between what is thought about the American economic opportunities, it's population and it's respective administrations.

Conservative Germans (at the time the majority) loved Reagan - and Germans + the entire world loved Clinton.
I personally found his Monica&Towel affair - hilarious.

As for Trump - they are flabbergasted & frightened that the US population voted in majority for a cheap Bokassa & Idi Amin imitation.

 

[kyzr]

Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994 and the NATO-Ukraine Commission in 1997, then agreed the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan in 2002 and entered into NATO's Intensified Dialogue program in 2005. - that was under Bush - you idiot.
Decision by NATO Leaders at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of NATO. - that was under Bush - you moron.
So YOUR cut off quote that is actually reflecting onto Georgia, is? BULLSHIT in regards to UKRAINE.

“So my country's position is clear: NATO should welcome Georgia and Ukraine into the Membership Action Plan.”
But Bush didn’t garner support from key allies, including France, Germany and others, The New York Times reported, amid fears the decision would inflame tensions with Russia. And indeed, Putin — still serving in his first stint as president"