Why do the U.S. support Ukraine which has Nazi laws?

[Rigby5]

Um...retard? Paul Manafort did launder his money that he received for his work for a Putin-backed puppet in Ukraine.

But he's not a Dim. He was Trump's right-hand man during the 2016 campaign.

He went to prison for it because he actually was guilty of money laundering.

Sounds not as bad as the money laundering Hunter Biden did?

 

[Dissident]

Don't see your point?
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The US has it but only from abusive individuals, not from corrupt legislation.
The Ukraine and Nazi Germany had it written into its legislation, so is much worse.

Exactly that makes the difference.
Nazi laws are the laws which divide citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories having different rights.
If somebody knows any US laws, which divide US citizens according to their ethnic origin into categories having different rights, please tell the titles of these US laws and tell how they divide US citizens into these categories.

I personally don’t know such US laws, but I know such Ukrainian laws and I can tell the titles of these Ukrainian laws - the Ukrainian Law on Indigenous Peoples and Law on Secondary Education; please see the first post of the thread Aren't these Ukrainian laws the Nazi ones?.

 

[Rigby5]

The thing is, Ukraine isn't an independent state, it is an independent, sovereign nation. It has armed itself out of fear of the Russians doing exactly what they are doing now. They don't make territorial claims, it IS their territory. Pro-Russian seperatists claim a section of territory of their own. The fact is, it isn't.


The Iraq war was wrong, the Israeli war against Lebanon was wrong. This Russian war against Ukraine is wrong.

Wrong.
The Ukraine only became an independent state due to treaties they signed with Gorbachev which had provisions like not harming ethnic Russians, not trying to join any alliance hostile to Russia, not accumulating western weapons, not stealing Russian oil from pipelines through the Ukraine, etc.
The Ukraine has violated ALL of the provisions of the treaties that gave it independence.
Therefore, not only is their independence forfeit, but Russia is obligated to punish these obvious crimes.

And in fact, the Crimea, Donetsk, etc. ARE not legally supposed to be part of the Ukraine. They were given to the Ukraine in 1955 by Khrushchev the Ukrainian, but it was not legal.

The Russian was against the Ukraine, is right.

 

[Rigby5]

What planet are you from?



NAZI means Nationalist Socialist, a kind of socialism where industry is nationalized, and fanatic Nationalism is the norm. It's Socialism with racial and national pride are front and center. That's not Ukraine.

Totally and completely wrong.
National Socialists were completely and totally ANTI-socialist, and murdered any socialist they could.
There was ZERO nationalization of industry by the fascists.
Every single company producing weapons or goods during Hitler's reign, were completely private, capitalist, and profit motivated.

 

[Rigby5]

Wow, you really should research some terms before you use them.

Historically, there have been thousands of cultures where there has been "inequality of the wealthy elite over everyone else".

Yet, 'Fascism' was only conceived of by Mussolini in the 1920s.

The U.S. had laws which clearly discriminated against non-white people for many years, yet the U.S. was not fascist or Nazi.

Please stop making up your own definitions.

Wrong.
First of all, fascism was defined by the ancient Romans, not Mussolini.
Even Mussolini admitted that.

The ancient Roman lictors, essentially the congressional keepers of order, carried axe handles as a badge of office.
These axe handles are known as fascia.
They had a ceremony where were tied together in a bundle, representing strength of unity.
And that is the symbol of fascism.

The concepts themselves are evil, but deliberately discriminating legislation is evil.
Just as ancient Rome was evil, so is the Ukraine.

 

[Richard-H]

Wrong.
First of all, fascism was defined by the ancient Romans, not Mussolini.
Even Mussolini admitted that.

The ancient Roman lictors, essentially the congressional keepers of order, carried axe handles as a badge of office.
These axe handles are known as fascia.
They had a ceremony where were tied together in a bundle, representing strength of unity.
And that is the symbol of fascism.

The concepts themselves are evil, but deliberately discriminating legislation is evil.
Just as ancient Rome was evil, so is the Ukraine.

Nonsense! Mussolini created Fascism and if he decided to take some symbol from ancient Rome, that's all it was - a symbol.

It's also nonsense to say the ancient Rome was evil. Rome was by far among the most benevolent and inclusive of all ancient empires.

 

[Rigby5]

Uh no.

Like you, he told utterly absurd lies that were contradicted by events in real time.

When your country is being illegally invaded by liar, murders, and thieves, you are SUPPOSED to lie.
You don't tell them where your leaders are hiding, that they are losing, about ready to surrender, etc.
You still do not seem to get that Baghdad Bob was one of the good guys, and Bush was the main bad guy.

 

[Oddball]

National Socialists were completely and totally ANTI-socialist, and murdered any socialist they could.

That doesn't prove jack shit....Hitler murdered a shit-ton of Nazis on the Night of the Long Knives.....Stalin murdered any and all communist rivals.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Biden's Truth Commission is right out of Hitler's & Little Kim's playback, yet snowflakes fall in line with whatever Biden says, defends everything he does.

What's your point?

playback?

 

[Rigby5]

Nonsense! Mussolini created Fascism and if he decided to take some symbol from ancient Rome, that's all it was - a symbol.

It's also nonsense to say the ancient Rome was evil. Rome was by far among the most benevolent and inclusive of all ancient empires.

I totally disagree.
Fascism has always existed.
It is just the wealthy secretly selling out the poor masses.
All colonial imperialists are fascist, including the US.
If we were not fascist, then we would have lied about the USS Maine, so we could illegally invade Cuba, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, etc.
There is nothing remotely unique about Mussolini's or Hitler fascism.
They were a coalition of the aristocracy, military, and corporations.
The only difference is the ancient Romans switch corporations for the priesthood.

And there was no society more evil than ancient Rome.
Not only did they invade and enslave most of the world, but then tortured and used those captives for sport.

 

[g5000]

Hitler had a German Shepherd.

Biden has a German Shepherd.

Biden is a NAZI!

 

[Rigby5]

That doesn't prove jack shit....Hitler murdered a shit-ton of Nazis on the Night of the Long Knives.....Stalin murdered any and all communist rivals.

Total misunderstanding of what actually happened.
The original National Socialists by Roehm was socialist.
But they could never get any traction due to the communists and real socialists being much larger numbers.
The original National Socialists were really more of a veteran's group.
But when Hitler got his big break in 1933, it was by totally giving up on the group started by Roehm.
So Hitler sold out to Hindenburg and the wealthy elite.
He disavowed socialism completely, and adopted pure Laisses faire capitalism.
Hitler was a capitalist and not a socialist.

Similarly, Stalin was a capitalist and not at all a communist.
Communism can never be centralized, and always has to be egalitarian.
Stalin created a wealthy elite, and was totally profit motivated.
That is pure capitalism.
All dictators in history are profit motivated, so then capitalist.

 

[Dissident]

They (Ukrainians) don't make territorial claims, it IS their territory.

There is something in actions of Ukrainian rulers what is absolutely incomprehensible for me.
They always declared that Crimea – where 67.9% of population are ethnic Russians - is Ukrainian territory, but at the same time the Ukrainian rulers passed the laws which turn ethnic Russians into citizens of the “third-rate” (please see the first post of the thread).

In addition, Ukraine intensively armed itself, constantly declared its plans to join NATO etc.

What reaction of the Russian government and ethnic Russians in Crimea did the Ukrainian rulers expect in such a situation?

 

[Rigby5]

playback?

He probably meant "playbook", meaning script or strategy.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Ukraine is one of the most reclusive and racist countries in the world.
That is why 80% of the guards at Hitler's death camps in WWII were Ukrainian.
Like Demjanjuk at Sobibor.
The Ukraine deliberately started this war, by murdering ethnic Russians, stealing Russian oil, violating treaties, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc.

But even more important, is that the US not only is going to lose this war, but may never recover from that loss.
We already had a dangerous $45 trillion national debt, and Biden just gave the Ukraine another $40 billion in our most expensive weapons.
That not only is illegal, but risks default.
The world could easily decide to drop the US dollar as its reserve currency.
Remember it is China who carries most of our national debt load.
Russia has captured many of the weapons we sent, so we are giving away our secrets.
Ultimately Russia has to win, even if that means nukes.
And we are totally unprepared for the consequences of our own stupidity.

Wrong.

There were some Ukrainian guards but not 89% as you claim. That claim was pulled from your ass.

They did not start it, They violated no treaties. They never tried to put nukes on Russia's border. You tried those lies before and were flat out proven wrong and dishonest,

We are not fighting this war and therefore cannot lose it. It is not illegal to arm Ukraine and in fact that 40 billion is on hold.

 

[Rigby5]

There is something in actions of Ukrainian rulers what is absolutely incomprehensible for me.
They always declared that Crimea – where 67.9% of population are ethnic Russians - is Ukrainian territory, but at the same time the Ukrainian rulers passed the laws which turn ethnic Russians into citizens of the “third-rate” (please see the first post of the thread).

In addition, Ukraine intensively armed itself, constantly declared its plans to join NATO etc.

What reaction of the Russian government and ethnic Russians in Crimea did the Ukrainian rulers expect in such a situation?

To the point where Zelensky said he wanted NATO nukes on Russia's border.
Everything Zelensky did was in direct violation of the 1992 treaties between Russia and the Ukraine.

 

[Soupnazi630]

And isn't it true that Baghdad Bob was right that the US was lying about Iraqi WMD, the US was committing war crimes, the invasion was illegal, the US murdered half a million innocent Iraqi civilians, the US illegally tortured POWs in Bagrham, etc.?
Are you trying to imply that Baghdad Bob was wrong in some way?

The US has always been on the wrong side, deliberately starting wars to invade or install dictators, like with Chaig Kai Shek in China, Syngman Rhee in Korea, Diem in Vietnam, Samosa in Nicaragua, Pinochet in Chile, Batista in Cuba, the Shah in Iran, etc.

The invasion was legal and Baghdad Bobn was an idiot.

Your history is revisionist crap

 

[g5000]

Total misunderstanding of what actually happened.
The original National Socialists by Roehm was socialist.
But they could never get any traction due to the communists and real socialists being much larger numbers.
The original National Socialists were really more of a veteran's group.
But when Hitler got his big break in 1933, it was by totally giving up on the group started by Roehm.
So Hitler sold out to Hindenburg and the wealthy elite.
He disavowed socialism completely, and adopted pure Laisses faire capitalism.
Hitler was a capitalist and not a socialist.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Clearly a post made by someone who has never read Mein Kampf.

 

[Soupnazi630]

To the point where Zelensky said he wanted NATO nukes on Russia's border.
Everything Zelensky did was in direct violation of the 1992 treaties between Russia and the Ukraine.

He never said any such thing and he violated no treaty.

 

[Uncensored2008]

When your country is being illegally invaded by liar, murders, and thieves, you are SUPPOSED to lie.

So that excuses Zelensky.

You don't tell them where your leaders are hiding, that they are losing, about ready to surrender, etc.
You still do not seem to get that Baghdad Bob was one of the good guys, and Bush was the main bad guy.

ROFL