Zone1 Why doesn't god just kill satan

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Who else would blame Satan for anything?

Considering I've yet to hear anyone I know who is religious blame Satan for anything they have done, my answer would be no one does. But glad to see you making such an honest effort at debate instead of throwing punches at Christians.

 

[Meriweather]

I supposes as one cannot exist without the other.

Actually, they do...

 

[hobelim]

I suspect the devil has performed many services in many religions at many times. He came into his own when Jews and Christians re-imagined their religion from a religion of a people to one of an individual.

Maybe so.

Again, to me, Satan is like the big bad wolf in the story of the three pigs if that story was written for children 10,000 years ago in Judea. Then what happened, 10,000 years later, superstitious European pagans discovered this and another story about a big bad wolf hidden in a tomb. When they read the stories they were astonished and "believed" it was a historical document about a magical time in the distant past where pigs could talk and build houses. So they created a strange religion with a priestly class, built temples and statues dedicated to honor the wise pig, and bizarre rituals designed to express hatred for the big bad wolf, and set out to persecute anyone who wouldn't worship the wise pig and was judged by a panel of supreme religious experts to be wolflike

That being said Satan is a metaphor for a human being just like the three pigs and the big bad wolf are. Simple

What I find hysterical is that some people actually refuse to believe in any God that would allow Satan to exist which, to me, amounts to being angry at God because the big bad wolf ate grandma in the other historical document found in the same tomb. It would be as ridiculous as hating God because people like Trump exist.

Even though its up to the people themselves to apply their will to cast out demons, whatever costume they wear.

Today a person could write a story where the big bad wolf is huffing and puffing and trying to blow the White House down. The day is coming, indeed it is already here, when all will see how wise the pig who built it was.

 

[hobelim]

Yes, Satan's domain is only that of the religious.

lol..

I have seen with my own eyes, in full view of heaven and earth, politicians shamelessly paying homage to Satan and a brood of vipers running for political office using all the powers that deception can inflict on the gullible, all those who are doomed to destruction because they would not open their minds to the love of truth. Just like you.

Not to worry!

Rising from "the dead" is as easy or as difficult as it is for anyone to be honest with themselves and others. Putz.

 

[toobfreak]

So cold isn't the absence of heat and darkness isn't the absence of light?

It is not a matter of absence, it is a matter of the two arising together mutually as opposites, get it?

• You cannot have cold without the possibility of heat also.
• You cannot have darkness without the possibility of light.

Without heat, cold has no meaning. Without light, darkness is undefined.

 

[BackAgain]

The universe was created according to the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics which means the laws of nature existed before the creation of space and time. This guy explains it clearly and quickly.

I always find that such explanations are destined to fail because we then just need to ask the obvious follow up questions:

What causes the perturbation in the quantum field? Where did those quanta come from?

 

[BackAgain]

Given all of the improbabilities and implausibility, it's obvious to me the universe was created intentionally.

It is intuitively obvious to me — but that only means that I could still be wrong!

 

[toobfreak]

Actually, they do...

No they don't. Good and evil arise together as part of the whole, as two sides of the same thing. There can be no evil without goodness also existing. Is this really a hard thing to understand?

One is not simply the absence of another. It would be like saying that Left and Right do not arise together and that one is just the absence of the other.

Satan exists in contrast to God, God cannot just "kill" Satan anymore than he could kill himself. This is the duality of existence.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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It doesn't make sense to me. Just seems like a way to instill fear.

Satan is the Ego, the opponent. Our 24/7/365 veil to keep us from connecting to the Creator

We asked for this world!!

We tried it without an opponent and it was always too easy

This is our most difficult challenge ever

 

[hobelim]

Satan exists in contrast to God,

No. Satan is a metaphor for a human archetype. A con. Humans do not exist in contrast to God anymore than darkness exists in contrast to light. Who needs the night to enjoy daylight? Who needs evil to value good? A better comparison would be that satan exists in contrast to an angel, another metaphor for a human archetype.

Both metaphors reflect the heights and depths of human potential. The world can and will exist without Satan just like God will continue to exist even if this planet is blown to smithereens and after every human becomes extinct.

If every soul in hells keeping became aware that they're just another prisoner of hell, all they have to do is ascend

And then Satan, devils, demons, fiends, goblins, ghouls, the possessed, and the fires of hell, will no longer exist.

 

[toobfreak]

No. Satan is a metaphor for a human archetype. A con. Humans do not exist in contrast to God anymore than darkness exists in contrast to light. Who needs the night to enjoy daylight?

Well, you make up or think whatever you want. I'm just telling you what has been known and determined by the highest experts in theology for thousands of years. And I never said anything about humans existing in contrast to God, you just made that up too.

And as to who needs night to enjoy daylight? Everyone. Amazing how such a simple idea eludes so many. If there were no darkness, how could you even conceptualize "light?" If there was nothing but light, how could you even know darkness?

Who needs evil to value good?

Because you could not even define "goodness" if all was good! To value something, there has to be the possibility of its opposite. Without evil, how could you even define much less know what "goodness" was?

The world can and will exist without Satan.

Good luck with that.

 

[alang1216]

Considering I've yet to hear anyone I know who is religious blame Satan for anything they have done, my answer would be no one does. But glad to see you making such an honest effort at debate instead of throwing punches at Christians.

In the biblical story of the Garden of Eden, the serpent, acting as an instrument of Satan, deceived Eve into eating the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Satan used cunning and persuasion to lead her to believe that eating the fruit would make her "like God, knowing good and evil," tempting her with the allure of knowledge and power. This deception led to the fall of humanity and the introduction of sin into the world.

 

[hobelim]

And I never said anything about humans existing in contrast to God, you just made that up too.

Satan does not exist in contrast to God. Satan is just a metaphor for a human being just like the big bad wolf.

I'm just telling you what has been known and determined by the highest experts in theology for thousands of years

lol. Grrrr! Are these the same highest experts in theology that started the inquisition? Witch hunts? Seriously?

If there was nothing but light, how could you even know darkness?

Why would you want to?

Because you could not even define "goodness" if all was good! To value something, there has to be the possibility of its opposite. Without evil, how could you even define much less know what "goodness" was?

Do you know what its like to be dead? NO? then according to your logic you can't value life which is absurd.

 

[Eman623]

Satan is as much a part of God as Jesus.

 

[alang1216]

Again, to me, Satan is like the big bad wolf in the story of the three pigs if that story was written for children 10,000 years ago in Judea. Then what happened, 10,000 years later, superstitious European pagans discovered this and another story about a big bad wolf hidden in a tomb. When they read the stories they were astonished and "believed" it was a historical document about a magical time in the distant past where pigs could talk and build houses. So they created a strange religion with a priestly class, built temples and statues dedicated to honor the wise pig, and bizarre rituals designed to express hatred for the big bad wolf, and set out to persecute anyone who wouldn't worship the wise pig and was judged by a panel of supreme religious experts to be wolflike

That being said Satan is a metaphor for a human being just like the three pigs and the big bad wolf are. Simple

What I find hysterical is that some people actually refuse to believe in any God that would allow Satan to exist which, to me, amounts to being angry at God because the big bad wolf ate grandma in the other historical document found in the same tomb. It would be as ridiculous as hating God because people like Trump exist.

Even though its up to the people themselves to apply their will to cast out demons, whatever costume they wear.

Today a person could write a story where the big bad wolf is huffing and puffing and trying to blow the White House down. The day is coming, indeed it is already here, when all will see how wise the pig who built it was.

There is plenty of evil and suffering in the world and only some of it is within our control, e.g., earthquakes. God is, by definition, good so he can't be the source, it must be another.

 

[toobfreak]

Satan does not exist in contrast to God. Satan is just a metaphor for a human being just like the big bad wolf.

Sure.

lol. Grrrr! Are these the same highest experts in theology that started the inquisition? Witch hunts? Seriously?

Hey, believe what you want, no skin off my nose, just trying to tell you.

Do you know what its like to be dead? NO? then according to your logic you can't value life which is absurd.

Wrong again. Quit putting words in my mouth. I guess abstraction and philosophy is a difficult topic for you. What I'm telling you actually allies with science. What I am telling you is that death and life are OPPOSITES, and there can be no death without life first, whether you know it or not.

Has nothing to do with "knowing" death. Sheesh.

 

[Donald H]

The universe was created according to the laws of conservation and quantum mechanics which means the laws of nature existed before the creation of space and time. This guy explains it clearly and quickly.

No, not so fast! It's never been established by science that space and time were created, and didn't always exist.

 

[hobelim]

I guess abstraction and philosophy is a difficult topic for you. What I'm telling you actually allies with science. What I am telling you is that death and life are OPPOSITES, and there can be no death without life first, whether you know it or not.

Therein lies the problem. You are trying to align religious LITERATURE with science. Good luck with that!

 

[hobelim]

There is plenty of evil and suffering in the world and only some of it is within our control, e.g., earthquakes. God is, by definition, good so he can't be the source, it must be another.

Why must it be another?

And who is to say what is good in Gods eyes? Was it good or evil to rid the world of certain hominids? Is it good or evil that almost every species on earth is faced with the reality of eat or be eaten?

 

[toobfreak]

Therein lies the problem. You are trying to align religious LITERATURE with science. Good luck with that!

I'm not trying to do anything, dummy. The Vedics did it 5,000 years ago. All I'm saying is that the same dual nature that exists in the universe defining science is the same dual nature determining everything else. It is a basic tenet of philosophy.

If there had never been any evil, there could not be any "good" because you can only define "good" in contrast to its opposite.