Why is it that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East?

[irosie91]

From SAIGON>>>
England's 30 years on handling the mandate were hardly an "iron fist", either, given they vascillated between one policy favouring the Jews and another ensuring Palestinians were not disenfranchised.


You have an interesting perception of england's handling of whatever
it handled of the dismangled OTTOMAN EMPIRE,,, SAIGON.

I am familiar with yours and ALSO with the perception of jews
who lived in the former OTTOMAN empire and had the honor
of being in the hands of the brits thereafter. To make a
somewhat long and complex story short------THEIR VIEW
POINT is something like a POLAR OPPOSITE OF YOURS .

As far as they are concerned----the entire BRITISH policy focused
on "SATISFYING AND CAJOLING THE ARABS" even to the point
that the brits regularly allowed a STEAM LETTING-----by politely
turning aside when arabs felt a need to engage in pogroms---
and closed the borders of palestine to people as they DIED in
their efforts to make it in. An interesting factoid---both I
(born in the US---but with a maternal grandfather from austria)
and my husband---born in a shariah cesspit
lost relatives to that "MAKE THE ARABS HAPPY AND KEEP
JEWS LOCKED OUT policy of the brits ---during the 1940s---
and then there was the ADEN POGROM 1947 during which
time a claim is made that british soldiers hummed
HAIL BRITANNIA well-----of course perspectives do vary

 

[Saigon]

Rosie -

The only time the British "locked the Jews out"of Israel was during WWII, when it seemed the sheer scale of the influx might spin out of control. As you are probably aware, they housed Jews in camps in Cyprus until they could decide what to do - a decision that in hindsight does not seem terribly sensitive.

But hear this -in 1890 there were 43,000 Jews in Palestine - by 1947 there were 630,000.

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That hardly reflects a lockout, does it?

 

[Politico]

Why is it that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East?

Bless your naive heart.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why is that some people are completely ignorant of history?

What's ignorant about it?

Everything.

You ever listen to the Marine Hymn? The second verse is in reference to the United States first land battle overseas when we ousted a government that we did not like. Up until then we had been paying tribute to various nations that hosted pirates to keep our ships safe. Thus, we actually had enemies in the area long before Israel even existed, never mind before we started supporting them.

We actually started supporting them as a counterbalance to what the Soviet Union was doing in the area., which is one reason we still see Russia support Syrai even today. Russia was busy creating enemies for us by giving various countries, including Egypt, weapons. They actually installed their most advanced missile systems in Egypt in order to shoot down our best plane. We would have had enemies there even if Israel had never existed, and we would have been forced to support somebody in the area.

As for Israel imposing a tyranny on their neighbors, it takes a complete wackjob to even say that, so wackjob that I know it would be a complete waste of time to educate you in how stupid it is to type it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

BTW there were jews in EVERY land which was invaded by muslims IN THE WORLD--
and genocides ------even in the place called PAKISTAN today----there are mosques
built atop synagogues ------learn some history-----MOST of the jews did not go way
off to GERMANY------they aggregated in NORTH AFRICAN lands and also further out east
when the romans sacked jerusalem ----get you are dim.

Millions----at the very least -----arabia, ethiopia, yemen, morocco. algeria, ---also SPAIN
-----before the reconquista -----even afghanistan

the only places that jews were safe in INDIA were the southern parts-----which is
probably why your friends were so eager to attack jews in MUMBAI -----
where both jews and zoroastrians were granted refuge from the filth you so love---
centuries ago

This thread isn't about the "World of Jew", it's about the US not having any enemies in the ME before it started supporting Israel.

And you don't know what my friends are, so shut your fuckin' mouth!

The thread is about the fact that you are completely ignorant about history, we already established that. Can we move on to how idiotic it is to insist that your alternate history is the only one that is acceptable?

 

[irosie91]

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btw there were jews in every land which was invaded by muslims in the world--
and genocides ------even in the place called pakistan today----there are mosques
built atop synagogues ------learn some history-----most of the jews did not go way
off to germany------they aggregated in north african lands and also further out east
when the romans sacked jerusalem ----get you are dim.

Millions----at the very least -----arabia, ethiopia, yemen, morocco. Algeria, ---also spain
-----before the reconquista -----even afghanistan

the only places that jews were safe in india were the southern parts-----which is
probably why your friends were so eager to attack jews in mumbai -----
where both jews and zoroastrians were granted refuge from the filth you so love---
centuries ago

this thread isn't about the "world of jew", it's about the us not having any enemies in the me before it started supporting israel.


Quantum----give "billo' a chance----he is explaining to us that people
who have managed to commit genocide against christians ----first
in arabia where they got rid of the entire group and then in every
of the scores of countries they invaded and who consider christians so
disgusting that there are some who would kill a christian for
touching a koran------could not be considered in any way negatively
in the usa by anyone. But he does make an excellent point---
cobras were never really a problem in the usa----nor were
elephants-----so lets assume they never cause anyone any problems.

I do not recall wars with japan before world war ii ??? I am not
sure-----in fact before the jooooos started troubling
adolf abu ali -------we has no problem with japan

and you don't know what my friends are, so shut your fuckin' mouth!

the thread is about the fact that you are completely ignorant about history, we already established that,. Can we move on to how idiotic it is to insist that your alternate history is the only one that is acceptable?

 

[irosie91]

Rosie -

The only time the British "locked the Jews out"of Israel was during WWII, when it seemed the sheer scale of the influx might spin out of control. As you are probably aware, they housed Jews in camps in Cyprus until they could decide what to do - a decision that in hindsight does not seem terribly sensitive.

But hear this -in 1890 there were 43,000 Jews in Palestine - by 1947 there were 630,000.

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That hardly reflects a lockout, does it?

Well saigon---actually you are wrong. The increase in the number of jews
in the first half of the 20th century was absolutely not because the path
was EASY ----in fact in most shariah cesspits it REMAINED illegal ------and
required an escape ----thruout that period of time. For an example----
My hubby's family began their escape ---in the first half of the 1930s ---
its only lubricant being BAKSHEESH supplied by a prior escapee---the
process took more than seven years----a few deaths----some really horrific
diseases---etc etc. His parents did surive---not his grandfather who
was probably under 50 when he died in the filthy gutters of aden----
and several sibs were lost.------what they did----was ABSOLUTELY
ILLEGAL according to the country in which they lived-----afterall--
his mom was being rescued from the dhimmi orphan law-------
SHE WAS A FUGITIVE FROM THE BEAUTY amd JUSTICE OF SHARIAH.
(give it time---the dhimmi orphan law is bound to hit indonesia if it
has not so far)

as to prior to that time----the escape route sometimes included a
very long walk thru arabia-----with baksheesh in hand---a
venture only for the young and strong which is why young men
made it first----and then tried to OIL the way for relatives
who could manage to survive

There was no time when getting to palestine was EASY ----or being
there was easy in the first half of the 20th century OR in the 1800s

There was no way for the Brits to MAKE it easy or any desire
on their part to do so-----why bother? the situation was already
a problem for them


the massacres of the 1920s did not constitute a welcome mat

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

BTW there were jews in EVERY land which was invaded by muslims IN THE WORLD--
and genocides ------even in the place called PAKISTAN today----there are mosques
built atop synagogues ------learn some history-----MOST of the jews did not go way
off to GERMANY------they aggregated in NORTH AFRICAN lands and also further out east
when the romans sacked jerusalem ----get you are dim.

Millions----at the very least -----arabia, ethiopia, yemen, morocco. algeria, ---also SPAIN
-----before the reconquista -----even afghanistan

the only places that jews were safe in INDIA were the southern parts-----which is
probably why your friends were so eager to attack jews in MUMBAI -----
where both jews and zoroastrians were granted refuge from the filth you so love---
centuries ago

This thread isn't about the "World of Jew", it's about the US not having any enemies in the ME before it started supporting Israel.

And you don't know what my friends are, so shut your fuckin' mouth!

You can change your avatar & your screen name but you cannot change the fact that you are a thin skinned little pup who should stay on the porch because he isn't ready to run with the big dogs. (in a nutshell)

Your resort to vile personal attacks is an indication that you have no adequate response to disprove what the other poster wrote here ( rose )

I disagree with the premise that someone canot know what your friends are. It is quite obvious from a few reads ( your threads ) that anyone who is "your friend" is as big an ignorant - loud mouthed - ass - as you are. Birds of a feather you know.

Rosie had some good posts here - hope everyone gets to read those -

 

[Billo_Really]

You can change your avatar & your screen name but you cannot change the fact that you are a thin skinned little pup who should stay on the porch because he isn't ready to run with the big dogs. (in a nutshell)

Nice try.

Your resort to vile personal attacks is an indication that you have no adequate response to disprove what the other poster wrote here ( rose )

I have no obligation to disprove off-topic posts.

I disagree with the premise that someone canot know what your friends are. It is quite obvious from a few reads ( your threads ) that anyone who is "your friend" is as big an ignorant - loud mouthed - ass - as you are. Birds of a feather you know.

Rosie said my friends were "eager to attack Mumbai" and that is a total lie.

That is not what my friends thought and no, you don't know them.

Rosie had some good posts here - hope everyone gets to read those -

Rosie's posts were off-topic and had nothing to do with the OP.

 

[Billo_Really]

The thread is about the fact that you are completely ignorant about history, we already established that,. Can we move on to how idiotic it is to insist that your alternate history is the only one that is acceptable?

Are you going to try to prove your claims at any time?

Why am I ignorant?

Why is this history an "alternate"?

Cowardly character assassinations are usually done, because you have no valid argument.

 

[Billo_Really]

Bless your naive heart.

Prove me wrong.

 

[irosie91]

Bless your naive heart.

Prove me wrong.

Bile----you can do it yourself. The USA ---has had a kind of
ISOLATIONIST approach --kinda since Madison. for 200
years we virtually ignored what went on in the rest of the world
other than that which directly affected our interests.. But
functionally speaking the world SHRINKS every day. Our
association with peoples abroad become more and more
INTERTWINED ----and we have developed a kind of moral
compass that has altered our responses to world
events. Some of the changes came about BECAUSE
of the atrocities of world war II I can assure you--most
americans had no idea that there was a "ZIONIST"
movement afoot in the middle east in the early 1900s
and couldn't care less. ---but then again ---even when
I was a kid in the SECOND half of the 20th century---MOST
americans never heard of the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
(1915) -----but then there was world war II----and there
was STALIN and somewhere along the line the IRISH
POTATO FAMINE became defined as a GENOCIDE---and
there was Biafra and east pakistan and pol pot---and the
big mess in many african countries---etc etc. While
people like you will continue to yawn thruout genocides----
MOST AMERICANS are now a lot more conscious and
concerned----and I can assure you----if we had done
what WE should have done in Biafra----even that kind
of move would make us ENEMIES. Iran is our
enemy----for a situation that actually has nothing to
do with Israel----it is more related to alliances and
economics. You can conduct your own poll------
ask 20 people ---at random----"if in Lebanon---
there were still a 50/50 split----muslims/catholics--
and suddenly the muslims began a comprehensive
genocide of the catholics-----would you suggest that
America giggle and twiddle its thumbs" (for this
scenario----Israel need not exist) Keep in mind---
something like that happened in 1915 and the USA
DID twiddle its thumbs----the armenian genocide.

Keep in mind---there are lots of LEBANESE people
---lots of christian lebanese ---in the USA right now
just as there were a significant number of jews in
the USA ----in 1938 when your pal ADOLF ABU
ALI went into action----and a significant number
like you who said "WHO CARES"----but not enough
for you to have it your way

 

[Billo_Really]

Bile----you can do it yourself. The USA ---has had a kind of
ISOLATIONIST approach --kinda since Madison. for 200
years we virtually ignored what went on in the rest of the world
other than that which directly affected our interests.. But
functionally speaking the world SHRINKS every day. Our
association with peoples abroad become more and more
INTERTWINED ----and we have developed a kind of moral
compass that has altered our responses to world
events. Some of the changes came about BECAUSE
of the atrocities of world war II I can assure you--most
americans had no idea that there was a "ZIONIST"
movement afoot in the middle east in the early 1900s
and couldn't care less. ---but then again ---even when
I was a kid in the SECOND half of the 20th century---MOST
americans never heard of the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
(1915) -----but then there was world war II----and there
was STALIN and somewhere along the line the IRISH
POTATO FAMINE became defined as a GENOCIDE---and
there was Biafra and east pakistan and pol pot---and the
big mess in many african countries---etc etc. While
people like you will continue to yawn thruout genocides----
MOST AMERICANS are now a lot more conscious and
concerned----and I can assure you----if we had done
what WE should have done in Biafra----even that kind
of move would make us ENEMIES. Iran is our
enemy----for a situation that actually has nothing to
do with Israel----it is more related to alliances and
economics. You can conduct your own poll------
ask 20 people ---at random----"if in Lebanon---
there were still a 50/50 split----muslims/catholics--
and suddenly the muslims began a comprehensive
genocide of the catholics-----would you suggest that
America giggle and twiddle its thumbs" (for this
scenario----Israel need not exist) Keep in mind---
something like that happened in 1915 and the USA
DID twiddle its thumbs----the armenian genocide.

Keep in mind---there are lots of LEBANESE people
---lots of christian lebanese ---in the USA right now
just as there were a significant number of jews in
the USA ----in 1938 when your pal ADOLF ABU
ALI went into action----and a significant number
like you who said "WHO CARES"----but not enough
for you to have it your way

That does not prove we had enemies prior to the establishment of Israel in 1948.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The thread is about the fact that you are completely ignorant about history, we already established that,. Can we move on to how idiotic it is to insist that your alternate history is the only one that is acceptable?

Are you going to try to prove your claims at any time?

Why am I ignorant?

Why is this history an "alternate"?

Cowardly character assassinations are usually done, because you have no valid argument.

Are you going to read my posts?

Ignorance is not a character flaw, it is a choice.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The thread is about the fact that you are completely ignorant about history, we already established that,. Can we move on to how idiotic it is to insist that your alternate history is the only one that is acceptable?

Are you going to try to prove your claims at any time?

Why am I ignorant?

Why is this history an "alternate"?

Cowardly character assassinations are usually done, because you have no valid argument.

I already proved you wrong. But you keep lying, it suits you.

 

[irosie91]

Bile ----read the FIRST PAGE----or your 'INTRO TO LOGIC" aka ---logic
for the feeble minded -----textbook memorize the following

TEMPORAL CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION

your problem is that you have the mind of an idiot. Besides tha fact
that you have not defined "enemy" it is also a fact ---that we did not have
AUSCHWITZ---until after Jesus of Nazareth was born -----_SO?

getting back to "enemy" -----of course YOU had no enemies in the middle east--
the fact that several middle east country's leaders support your boy ADOLF HITLER---
would not make them "enemies" for you-----but----in fact----others did consider
them enemies Fortunately they were not military issues at the time and your favorite
baby brain smashing nail bomb had not yet been invented

Lately Lately Pakistanis----have decided to be an enemy to americans. That situation
would not exist ----if the filth of the MOGHUL EMPIRE had never existed. So perhaps
the answer is to destroy all remnants and memory and imposed culture brought
about in south east asia by the MOGHUL EMPIRE