Why the bond market spooked the regime, causing Don to say investors got "yippy."

[kyzr]

That’s not true. 10 year rates were falling and only jumped after Trump’s tariffs were applied.

True they spiked up, but not unusually high. A bigger bond problem is that Janet Yellen did a poor job at Treasury by using short-term bonds when rates were ~zero. Now Treasury needs to refinance when rates are up. See below.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/janet-yellens-short-term-thinking-180036483.html

Janet Yellen's Short-Term Thinking Could Cost the U.S. Big

 

[kyzr]

COVID is responsible for a large portion of the debt. You're going to have to prove to me the post COVID, global, inflationary spiral that occurred as disrupted supply chains were not able to keep up with renewed consumer demand.........the thing most responsible for inflation........ was Biden's fault.

1. True Covid added to the Debt

Does government spending cause inflation, and did Biden-Harris make it worse?

Prices rose 2.6% between October 2023 and the same month in 2024, an unremarkable figure. Yet, inflation seems to be on everyone’s minds.

www.usatoday.com

2. Trump's pre-covid budgets were $4.xT, Biden's last budget was $7.3T. Thats why I blame Biden. Way too much spending.
Not only that but the democrats created slush funds with taxpayer money!! Criminals.

Exclusive | $375B EPA slush fund handled by John Podesta gave billions to charities founded only months earlier

The EPA gave out $20 billion to environmental justice and green credit groups that had barely registered with the IRS.

nypost.com

Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants | US EPA

EPA News Release: Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants

www.epa.gov

ICYMI: Administrator Lee Zeldin Finds Gold Bars from EPA at Stacey Abrams’ Connected Group, Biden-Harris Ethical Red Flags | US EPA

EPA News Release: ICYMI: Administrator Lee Zeldin Finds Gold Bars from EPA at Stacey Abrams’ Connected Group, Biden-Harris Ethical Red Flags

www.epa.gov

The $42 billion internet program that has connected 0 people

The federal BEAD program makes little sense with the rate of private markets providing internet access.

www.washingtonpolicy.org

https://doge.gov:8443/savings

$150b DOGE savings

Added together the democrat's slush funds totaled $600b. That is criminal.

 

[jknowgood]

It's not a talking point. It's reality. The stock market had one of the most volatile weeks in history. That just scratches the surface.

Yet it is rebounding. Trump is exposing the liars you are.

 

[Rambunctious]

The bond markets have NOTHING to do with "Main Street". Stop pretending you understand how the economy works. The bond market is where Trump goes to get money to cover his rising deficits, and the international traders are SELLING us Treasury bonds.

They think Trump is running the country into the ground, and they're raising rates. They're dumping US Treasury bonds because they think Trump is a BAD INVESTMENT.

Time for YOU to learn how the economy works and then you'll understand how Trump is destroying the American economy - and Putin is cheering.

What are you talking about??? I never said main street is the bond market you dufus... stop with the fake tears for the Market you hypocrite who said nothing as prices for everyday people shot into the sky under Biden... putting people out of business and into the street... you said nothing as people lost everything... now you are crying for billionaires and millionaires... typical new age lib... all for the rich guy and screw the poor....

 

[Meister]

In what way does your sophomoric reply address the matter of “The big takeaway from this year, from the Trump presidency, from everything that’s happened, is that there’s a rotation out of the U.S. And obviously that’s become vicious now — with bond yields staying high and the dollar falling, it’s become the story.

Bond yields staying high (for now) The dollar always has ups and downs.

 

[Meister]

I'm going to take your reply as an admission you know of no violent criminals pardoned by Biden who participated in a riot during which police officers were beaten in the pursuit of a stolen election.

Take it anyway you want....you're wrong as usual.

 

[berg80]

1. True Covid added to the Debt

Does government spending cause inflation, and did Biden-Harris make it worse?

Prices rose 2.6% between October 2023 and the same month in 2024, an unremarkable figure. Yet, inflation seems to be on everyone’s minds.

www.usatoday.com

2. Trump's pre-covid budgets were $4.xT, Biden's last budget was $7.3T. Thats why I blame Biden. Way too much spending.
Not only that but the democrats created slush funds with taxpayer money!! Criminals.

Exclusive | $375B EPA slush fund handled by John Podesta gave billions to charities founded only months earlier

The EPA gave out $20 billion to environmental justice and green credit groups that had barely registered with the IRS.

nypost.com

Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants | US EPA

EPA News Release: Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants

www.epa.gov

ICYMI: Administrator Lee Zeldin Finds Gold Bars from EPA at Stacey Abrams’ Connected Group, Biden-Harris Ethical Red Flags | US EPA

EPA News Release: ICYMI: Administrator Lee Zeldin Finds Gold Bars from EPA at Stacey Abrams’ Connected Group, Biden-Harris Ethical Red Flags

www.epa.gov

The $42 billion internet program that has connected 0 people

The federal BEAD program makes little sense with the rate of private markets providing internet access.

www.washingtonpolicy.org

https://doge.gov:8443/savings

$150b DOGE savings

Added together the democrat's slush funds totaled $600b. That is criminal.

Trump Has Added Risk to the Surest Bet in Global Finance​

There are not many certainties in the world of money, but this traditionally has been one of them: When life turns scary, people take refuge in American government bonds.

Investors buy U.S. Treasuries on the assumption that, come what may — financial panic, war, natural disaster — the federal government will endure and stand by its debts, making its bonds the closest thing to a covenant with the heavens.

Yet turmoil in bond markets last week revealed the extent to which President Trump has shaken faith in that basic proposition, challenging the previously unimpeachable solidity of U.S. government debt. His trade war — now focused intently on China — has raised the prospect of a worldwide economic downturn while damaging American credibility as a responsible steward of peace and prosperity.

“The whole world has decided that the U.S. government has no idea what it’s doing,” said Mark Blyth, a political economist at Brown University and co-author of the forthcoming book “Inflation: A Guide for Users and Losers.”

Trump Has Added Risk to the Surest Bet in Global Finance

Shocked by Trump’s trade war, foreign investors are selling U.S. government bonds, long the world’s safe haven.

www.nytimes.com

The human wrecking ball has not only been busy tearing down every bedrock institution in government, as well as faith in elections, he's managed to cause the US to lose its previously unshakable status as a financial safe haven.

 

[kyzr]

Trump Has Added Risk to the Surest Bet in Global Finance​

There are not many certainties in the world of money, but this traditionally has been one of them: When life turns scary, people take refuge in American government bonds. Investors buy U.S. Treasuries on the assumption that, come what may — financial panic, war, natural disaster — the federal government will endure and stand by its debts, making its bonds the closest thing to a covenant with the heavens.
Yet turmoil in bond markets last week revealed the extent to which President Trump has shaken faith in that basic proposition, challenging the previously unimpeachable solidity of U.S. government debt. His trade war — now focused intently on China — has raised the prospect of a worldwide economic downturn while damaging American credibility as a responsible steward of peace and prosperity.
“The whole world has decided that the U.S. government has no idea what it’s doing,” said Mark Blyth, a political economist at Brown University and co-author of the forthcoming book “Inflation: A Guide for Users and Losers.”
The human wrecking ball has not only been busy tearing down every bedrock institution in government, as well as faith in elections, he's managed to cause the US to lose its previously unshakable status as a financial safe haven.

Don't blame Trump for the $37T Debt bomb, nor the unfair tariffs. Trump is trying to bring back US manufacturing, a good objective. Congress needs to fix the Budget and deficit to stabilize the bond market, if they fail the mid-terms will be a GOP wipe-out. Yellen the moron should have financed the debt with long term bonds not short term bonds, duh.

US Treasuries Historical Interest Rates & Economic Indicators Comparison | CPI, PPI, GDP, Unemployment Rates

An app for exploring historic interest rates

www.ustreasuryyieldcurve.com

 

[berg80]

Don't blame Trump for the $37T Debt bomb

I didn't. Neither did the NYT in its article.

Yet turmoil in bond markets last week revealed the extent to which President Trump has shaken faith in that basic proposition, challenging the previously unimpeachable solidity of U.S. government debt. His trade war — now focused intently on China — has raised the prospect of a worldwide economic downturn while damaging American credibility as a responsible steward of peace and prosperity.

 

[kyzr]

I didn't. Neither did the NYT in its article.

Yet turmoil in bond markets last week revealed the extent to which President Trump has shaken faith in that basic proposition, challenging the previously unimpeachable solidity of U.S. government debt. His trade war — now focused intently on China — has raised the prospect of a worldwide economic downturn while damaging American credibility as a responsible steward of peace and prosperity.

Trump wants fair tariffs and more US manufacturing. If the world or bond market can't handle that, tough shit. Crash.

 

[Marener]

Yet it is rebounding. Trump is exposing the liars you are.

Is it? It’s still way down from peaks.

 

[Marener]

Trump wants fair tariffs and more US manufacturing

He’s not really going to get both with his current policies.

 

[kyzr]

He’s not really going to get both with his current policies.

He is already getting both.

 

[berg80]

Trump wants fair tariffs and more US manufacturing. If the world or bond market can't handle that, tough shit. Crash.

You know not what you say. He's not going to get an appreciable amount of US manufacturing to come back this way.

Here's part of the reason. No one knows what to expect from day to day.

Trump Commerce chief fuels tariff confusion, saying exemptions for phones, computers and other electronics are not permanent​

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/13/trump-commerce-chief-says-not-like-a-permanent-sort-of-exemption-for-phones-computers.html

Investment in manufacturing facilities requires certainty over years in to the future.

 

[Marener]

He is already getting both.

Neither.

 

[kyzr]

You know not what you say. He's not going to get an appreciable amount of US manufacturing to come back this way.
Here's part of the reason. No one knows what to expect from day to day.

Trump Commerce chief fuels tariff confusion, saying exemptions for phones, computers and other electronics are not permanent​

$7,000,000,000,000 ($7-trillion) is a lot of manufacturing to come back, and that is just a start.

Trump says he's attracted $7 trillion in private investments into the US: 'Never seen anything like it'

President Trump, since his return to office, has reportedly attracted over $7 trillion in investments into the U.S. from the private sector and from foreign countries.

www.foxbusiness.com

Trump said he is flexible. He is negotiating tariff and manufacturing deals every day.

 

[kyzr]

Neither.

see post 56

 

[Marener]

see post 56

Heard it before. Remember when he claimed Foxconn was building giant factories in Wisconsin? It’s a fantasy.

 

[Dragonlady]

True they spiked up, but not unusually high. A bigger bond problem is that Janet Yellen did a poor job at Treasury by using short-term bonds when rates were ~zero. Now Treasury needs to refinance when rates are up. See below.

View attachment 1099639

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/janet-yellens-short-term-thinking-180036483.html

Janet Yellen's Short-Term Thinking Could Cost the U.S. Big

I'll take Yellen's economic record, over some Economic Blogger who once wrote a book, and who now claims Trump's tariff's will be deflationary.

 

[kyzr]

Heard it before. Remember when he claimed Foxconn was building giant factories in Wisconsin? It’s a fantasy.

You may be right that all $7T won't result in new factories, time will tell, maybe the new tariffs will provide the impetus?