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Let's assume it's not cake bakers who refuse to serve members of the GLBT community, but Doctors, Lawyers, Cops, Dentists, EMT and Firefighters. And how about roofers, gas and electric workers, public transportation workers and the local medical marijuana dispenser. And let's not forget hotels, motels and airlines.
Now, I'm aware that the Slippery Slope Argument is a logical fallacy, but what is good for the Conservatives is good for the rest. And let's consider, our military has evolved from don't ask, don't tell into a modern model and it took only 60 years for it to allow integration.
So, my point is this, the current defenders of Pence are typical of those who feel an affinity for the good old days, when separate but equal was good enough for our grandparents, they believe it should be good enough for us today.
I also know that the use of the term Reactionary is often used as a pejorative, but sometimes the use of the word is warranted, and in this case and on this thread it is.
Does the pizza delivery boy actively participate in my household? Does the airline pilot actively participate in my vacation?Just how does a baker ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE in a homosexual lifestyle by simply baking, decorating and delivering a cake?
When the customer asks them to deliver it to the site of their wedding. Easy.
How does a caterer ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE at any wedding when, in fact, they are there to cook, deliver, present and clean up afterward.
By the very activity of "cooking, delivering, presenting, and cleaning up afterward." Active participation.
You are stretching way beyond your grasp when you clim ACTIVE PARTICIPATION in events when vendors are merely plying their trade.
No I'm not. They are not merely "plying their trade" when they are actually there amongst the festivities or enhancing the value of the event. Physical presence in this case, implies ACTIVE PARTICIPATION.
The notion of participation is an untenable stretch.
Who participates in the wedding? The bride, groom, their families, a clergyman, a flower girl a ring bearer. But how about the tuxedo rental place? Are they active participants?
Let's face it. There is no harm to the religous freedom of bigoted merchants and there is no active participation on their part.
It is, in fact, a smokescreen to rationalize homophobia and have religion serve as a shield for bigotry.
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You were cleaning the Uris ?I saw your picture displayed in the men's urinal in a gas station on Topeka.
bipat accuses gay folk of attacking everyone all the while calling everyone that dare point out the facts to him names himself.
You were cleaning the Uris ?I saw your picture displayed in the men's urinal in a gas station on Topeka.
The notion of active participation is used by those claiming harm to their religious beliefs. I'm torpedoing that notion. Do you agree that wedding vendors are not active participants in the events they service?Does the pizza delivery boy actively participate in my household? Does the airline pilot actively participate in my vacation?Just how does a baker ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE in a homosexual lifestyle by simply baking, decorating and delivering a cake?
When the customer asks them to deliver it to the site of their wedding. Easy.
How does a caterer ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE at any wedding when, in fact, they are there to cook, deliver, present and clean up afterward.
By the very activity of "cooking, delivering, presenting, and cleaning up afterward." Active participation.
You are stretching way beyond your grasp when you clim ACTIVE PARTICIPATION in events when vendors are merely plying their trade.
No I'm not. They are not merely "plying their trade" when they are actually there amongst the festivities or enhancing the value of the event. Physical presence in this case, implies ACTIVE PARTICIPATION.
The notion of participation is an untenable stretch.
Who participates in the wedding? The bride, groom, their families, a clergyman, a flower girl a ring bearer. But how about the tuxedo rental place? Are they active participants?
Let's face it. There is no harm to the religous freedom of bigoted merchants and there is no active participation on their part.
It is, in fact, a smokescreen to rationalize homophobia and have religion serve as a shield for bigotry.
Let's face it, you're a numskull who is trying to torture the meaning of "participate" to the point it becomes unrecognisable. That's a favorite tactic with leftists. If the facts don't support their agenda, then redefine the word so it does.
Oh, you're a Libertarian, that explains it.
That must be rough for you.
They already can if they are private businesses that do not sell to the public.Not very often that you and I agree. But yes. Refusing the service your business provides others based on race, creed, sexual orientation etc. is harm. Refusing service for non payment... that's not harm, that's a consequence.No. Liberty is not the liberty to harm others.Liberty is the freedom to hold views without government intervention, no matter how noxious they may appear to the majority. Thus, homophobia can be expressed, even to the point of petitioning the government to deny homosexuals right and privileges held by heterosexuals, such as marriage. The fact is such a petition will not have the force of law if the principles inherent in the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to our Constitution are to have any meaning.
And refusing people the service your business provides others is HARM.
This law will allow businesses to be whites only if they choose to be.
The notion of active participation is used by those claiming harm to their religious beliefs. I'm torpedoing that notion. Do you agree that wedding vendors are not active participants in the events they service?Does the pizza delivery boy actively participate in my household? Does the airline pilot actively participate in my vacation?Just how does a baker ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE in a homosexual lifestyle by simply baking, decorating and delivering a cake?
When the customer asks them to deliver it to the site of their wedding. Easy.
How does a caterer ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE at any wedding when, in fact, they are there to cook, deliver, present and clean up afterward.
By the very activity of "cooking, delivering, presenting, and cleaning up afterward." Active participation.
You are stretching way beyond your grasp when you clim ACTIVE PARTICIPATION in events when vendors are merely plying their trade.
No I'm not. They are not merely "plying their trade" when they are actually there amongst the festivities or enhancing the value of the event. Physical presence in this case, implies ACTIVE PARTICIPATION.
The notion of participation is an untenable stretch.
Who participates in the wedding? The bride, groom, their families, a clergyman, a flower girl a ring bearer. But how about the tuxedo rental place? Are they active participants?
Let's face it. There is no harm to the religous freedom of bigoted merchants and there is no active participation on their part.
It is, in fact, a smokescreen to rationalize homophobia and have religion serve as a shield for bigotry.
Let's face it, you're a numskull who is trying to torture the meaning of "participate" to the point it becomes unrecognisable. That's a favorite tactic with leftists. If the facts don't support their agenda, then redefine the word so it does.
Not at all, some people believe in ghosts, others in fairy god mothers. What you believe makes no matter to me. I simply point out the flaws and inconsistencies in their thinking.
I'm pragmatic and reality based, my ideology is simple to understand and easy to apply to most situations: "Do onto others as they would do onto you".
Oh, you're a Libertarian, that explains it.
That must be rough for you.
Not at all, some people believe in ghosts, others in fairy god mothers. What you believe makes no matter to me. I simply point out the flaws and inconsistencies in their thinking.
I'm pragmatic and reality based, my ideology is simple to understand and easy to apply to most situations: "Do onto others as they would do onto you".
It even applies when I'm frustrated by some people I consider fools, If I believed in ghosts and fairy god mothers I'd like to be challenged; when the challenge is thought provoking and creates questions I cannot answer, I thank the person who opened my brain to a new idea. When they don't and continue to beat the poor dead horse, I respond with emotion and sometimes treat them poorly. The real stupid ones, I name and stalk with vigor.
I grew up late 50s and early 60s and heard all the same lame milk weak excuses about black folk. Make all the quack religious excuses you want to but what it boils down to is your book says you must not treat gay folk as equals.
Does the pizza delivery boy actively participate in my household? Does the airline pilot actively participate in my vacation?
Who participates in the wedding? The bride, groom, their families, a clergyman, a flower girl a ring bearer. But how about the tuxedo rental place? Are they active participants?
There is no harm to the religous freedom of bigoted merchants and there is no active participation on their part.
I really like this as this is exactly what I think also.You know why, you stupid slut. That's like putting a target on your business so sleazy operators like you can attack it.
In other words, you want them to be able to keep their dirty little secrets and humiliate unknowing patrons publically. Sweet.
Where do you get the idea that you're entitled to know everything you want to know about a business? Should we put everyone on a polygraph and force them to testify about their sexual orientation?
You homosexual lovers act exactly like goose stepping Nazis.
Sounds like a strawman you're building.
If a restaurant doesn't allow small children say - they post a sign. If they insist patrons must wear a shirt and shoes - they post a sign. If a place does not allow dogs - they post a sign.
But if they don't serve gays - they don't post a sign.
Go figure
How about just a sign that says, no signs please. If you're gay, straight, black, white, religious, Atheist, white supremacist, opera singer, anti-defamation league, accordian player, etc., leave your sign at home please and come in and have lunch.
So a member of the KKK can come in and have lunch. But if he wants me to cater the KKK convention next month, no. I'm not going to do it and I don't want my government forcing me to do so. I won't interfere in any way with his right to have his convention. And he won't interfere in any way with my right not to participate in it.
In a perfect world which this is not so your example would never apply.
If 2 women come in and say they want something for their wedding, they should be able to say "their" and not "a" wedding and doing so does not constitute "wearing a sign."
If everyone was like you and accepting none of these things would w.
He understands. He just doesn't give a shit.Nosmo, you simply don't understand. People have convictions, beliefs, personal morals and values. And if they see simply being at your wedding, or playing an integral part in your wedding as an affront to those things, why should you force them to? They see their mere presence there as a violation of what they believe.
Nosmo, you simply don't understand. People have convictions, beliefs, personal morals and values. And if they see simply being at your wedding, or playing an integral part in your wedding as an affront to those things, why should you force them to? They see their mere presence there as a violation of what they believe.
Business exists to make money selling a product, not making judgments of their potential customers.
