Yes....medicaid for everyone, healthcare for the very lucky....

[2aguy]

This is what happens when the government tries to use medicaid to deal with the healthcare needs of everyone.......see.....they say that the Veteran's Administration healthcare system isn't medicaid...so they can't be compared......the truth is, the same morons who can't run the VA are the same types who run medicaid....and who are destroying both, and actually allowing Veterans to die...

Oregon Has Been Trying For Years To Achieve Universal Healthcare. And It's Been A Giant Fail.

And rationing did occur. For example, Hemingway notes that "the state generated a flurry of headlines in 2008 after it sent a letter denying a 53-year-old man with prostate cancer chemotherapy but offering to cover the cost of physician-assisted suicide." Mark Levin cites the example in his book Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto of Barbara Wagner, who lived in Oregon and needed a drug to extend her life after she learned that her lung cancer had returned. But the state of Oregon denied her the drug and instead offered to cover assisted suicide. Wagner was saved by a pharmaceutical company that provided her with the drug she needed for free.

The Oregon experiment did provide researchers with the opportunity to study Medicaid's health outcomes, concluding that there were "no significant improvements in measured physical health outcomes in the first two years."

Other Oregon healthcare efforts have similarly failed. Their Obamacare state exchange was such a disaster that they had to replace it with a federal exchange; their Obamacare co-op went bankrupt as well. The state is now having to resort to cutting 335,000 people from their Medicaid rolls to address budget shortfalls.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The poor already have medicaid so what does the lumpkin want? They want those who can afford to pay for medical care to have the same medicaid as the very poor have. This means a Cuban style of medical care where the doctors are all government employees with salaries set by the government.

 

[DarkFury]

That is some cold shit no matter how you look at it.

 

[2aguy]

The poor already have medicaid so what does the lumpkin want? They want those who can afford to pay for medical care to have the same medicaid as the very poor have. This means a Cuban style of medical care where the doctors are all government employees with salaries set by the government.

Imagine....spending your early life in constant study.....homework in the toughest subjects, chemistry, math, biology, and you spend your time in college, studying constantly, unlike the liberal arts majors with their beer pong....and then you get to do 24 hour rotations in the hospital after medical school.....and you finally get to the point in your late 20s when your education will pay off, the endless work and study.....

And you get to make 150,000 dollars a year and punch a clock.......

And that is why we will have doctor shortages under any socialist system of medicine....

 

[Care4all]

is medicaid handled differently than medicare?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What you never hear from those who want socialized medicine is what they are going to do about medical negligence. Australia has the highest incidents of medical error in the world. How much do you think those doctors carry in liability insurance? Countries with public option require gross negligence to bring a malpractice lawsuit. Ordinary negligence won't do it. Something more than just a mistake. How many medical class action lawsuits do they have in Germany or Sweden?

You cannot have single payer AND tort lotto.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The poor already have medicaid so what does the lumpkin want? They want those who can afford to pay for medical care to have the same medicaid as the very poor have. This means a Cuban style of medical care where the doctors are all government employees with salaries set by the government.

Imagine....spending your early life in constant study.....homework in the toughest subjects, chemistry, math, biology, and you spend your time in college, studying constantly, unlike the liberal arts majors with their beer pong....and then you get to do 24 hour rotations in the hospital after medical school.....and you finally get to the point in your late 20s when your education will pay off, the endless work and study.....

And you get to make 150,000 dollars a year and punch a clock.......

And that is why we will have doctor shortages under any socialist system of medicine....

They could make it work but that would make no one happy. Put student doctors as the doctors providing services for the public option. Right now, the indigent can go to county hospitals where they get treated by students. Just expand that program and teach more doctors. Real doctors will have their own private practice and for profit hospitals.