Your Government Owes You a Job

[bripat9643]

You were the first moron(post #394) to say use the words "destroying perfectly good food", remember?

FDR's AAA paid farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock in order to reduce crop surplus and raise the value of crops.

In other words, the government destroyed perfectly good food. And like a true moron you applaud this policy.

What perfectly good food do you think the government destroyed?

You just said it, moron: "crop surplus and excess livestock."

 

[alan1]

Because plowing food into the ground during a food shortage is always good for the economy, right?

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, you defended government mandated waste, what a fucking surprise.

Let me ask you a few questions to show how fucking stupid you are, what is your problem with with allowing poor people to be able to afford food? Why should the government drive up food prices simply because there is a depression? I mean, think about it, are huge segment of the population is unemployment, can't afford food, and you think the best response to that is to drive up the cost of food.

You are so fucking stupid I can't even begin to find the words to describe it.

Is it really stupid?
Think about it......
If the cost of housing was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of housing.
If the cost of health care was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of health care.
If the cost of transportation was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of transportation.

It makes perfect sense.
If yer an idiot that lacks sense.

 

[The T]

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, you defended government mandated waste, what a fucking surprise.

Let me ask you a few questions to show how fucking stupid you are, what is your problem with with allowing poor people to be able to afford food? Why should the government drive up food prices simply because there is a depression? I mean, think about it, are huge segment of the population is unemployment, can't afford food, and you think the best response to that is to drive up the cost of food.

You are so fucking stupid I can't even begin to find the words to describe it.

Is it really stupid?
Think about it......
If the cost of housing was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of housing.
If the cost of health care was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of health care.
If the cost of transportation was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of transportation.

It makes perfect sense.
If yer an idiot that lacks sense.

One word...CONTROL...over the masses. Liberty dying a slow death in this Republic.

 

[regent]

Because the farmers lost money on the food they raised, should they be expected to also pay to get the food to market or to the starving people?
Should the farmers have gotten together and decided that to make a profit they should stop producing more food than they can sell?
Should farmers be able to organize to solve their overproduction?
Did government have a responsibility in solving the farm problem?

 

[The T]

Because the farmers lost money on the food they raised, should they be expected to also pay to get the food to market or to the starving people?
Should the farmers have gotten together and decided that to make a profit they should stop producing more food than they can sell?
Should farmers be able to organize to solve their overproduction?
Did government have a responsibility in solving the farm problem?

Government should get out of their hair...and the farmers can go back to dealing in the free market. This manipulation by government has to cease.

 

[eagle1462010]

Because the farmers lost money on the food they raised, should they be expected to also pay to get the food to market or to the starving people?
Should the farmers have gotten together and decided that to make a profit they should stop producing more food than they can sell?
Should farmers be able to organize to solve their overproduction?
Did government have a responsibility in solving the farm problem?

The Farmers could have Co-Opted. Yes.

And it wouldn't have cost the taxpayers a dime that way.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, you defended government mandated waste, what a fucking surprise.

Let me ask you a few questions to show how fucking stupid you are, what is your problem with with allowing poor people to be able to afford food? Why should the government drive up food prices simply because there is a depression? I mean, think about it, are huge segment of the population is unemployment, can't afford food, and you think the best response to that is to drive up the cost of food.

You are so fucking stupid I can't even begin to find the words to describe it.

Describe when you first stated caring about "poor people" like sharecroppers:

"For most tenants and sharecroppers the AAA was a major help.

"Frey and Smith concluded, 'To the extent that the AAA control-program has been responsible for the increased price [of cotton], we conclude that it has increased the amount of goods and services consumed by the cotton tenants and croppers area.'

"Furthermore the landowners typically let the tenants and croppers use the land taken out of cotton production for their own personal use in growing food and feed crops, which further increased their standard of living.

"Another consequence was that the historic high levels of turnover from year to year declined sharply, as tenants and croppers tend to stay with the same landowner."

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no possible way you can redeem your stupidity with lies, but feel free to try.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, you defended government mandated waste, what a fucking surprise.

Let me ask you a few questions to show how fucking stupid you are, what is your problem with with allowing poor people to be able to afford food? Why should the government drive up food prices simply because there is a depression? I mean, think about it, are huge segment of the population is unemployment, can't afford food, and you think the best response to that is to drive up the cost of food.

You are so fucking stupid I can't even begin to find the words to describe it.

Is it really stupid?
Think about it......
If the cost of housing was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of housing.
If the cost of health care was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of health care.
If the cost of transportation was too affordable, the government could drive up the cost of transportation.

It makes perfect sense.
If yer an idiot that lacks sense.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sure they did...I saw many in my community, didn't you?

The problem was there were not as many shovel ready projects meeting the criteria and Red States that just kept the money

Oh please.....Every once in a while I'd see one of those signs indicating the project was part of the stimulus.
One project near here, was started months before the stimulus was passed. Suddenly one of those signs appeared.
Many? I think you're making up that. And since you have no proof, claim is just that. A claim.
Let's not be silly here. Most of the stimulus money went to blue states with lots of unionized pubic workers.
You are defending the indefensible.

Bull crap

The governors of Red States postured about not taking stimulus money and then bragged about balancing their budgets without telling where that money came from

Which states?
BTW, South Carolina sent the money back. The state was told to "take it or else".
The whole thing was a scam.
BTW, I said MOST of the money went to blue states with lots of unionized public employees. Not ALL...
MOST..The money is gone and so are the jobs..We got fucked out of a trillion dollars.

 

[thereisnospoon]

There is no better time than today to bring back the WPA

Construction jobs are down, we need major infrastrcture upgrades, wages are low, interest rates are low

A perfect storm to encourage hiring millions of workers

Because plowing food into the ground during a food shortage is always good for the economy, right?

What's your problem with raising the value of crops in a depression?

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) was a United States federal law of the New Deal era which reduced agricultural production by paying farmers subsidies not to plant on part of their land and to kill off excess livestock.

"Its purpose was to reduce crop surplus and therefore effectively raise the value of crops..."

"The law, in its entirety, can be read here.

Agricultural Adjustment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The value of the crops remained the same. The PRICE was deliberately driven upward.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Improving our public infrastructure is not "make work". Our infrastructure has ben ignored for almost 50 years. Roads, bridges, water systems, sewers, Communications, power grid

All need massive improvements. Better to do it now when a workforce is available, interest rates are low than wait till all the workers are employed and demanding higher salaries

Granted.

But I still have no clue how we're gonna pay for it.

We can't keep floating bond issues forever.

Even the Chinese aren't dumb enough to buy another massive issue, the way things stand nowadays.

FDR taxed rich individuals and corporations to cover the New Deal; possibly we could do the same and sell infrastructure improvement bonds to the public at large, much like War Bonds helped finance the Second Great Capitalist War of the 20th century?

First, no one is going to extend credit to the US Treasury because the tax increases would offset the rate of return on the bonds, rendering their purchase a money losing proposition.
Second, but for our entry into WW II, most of European Jews would have been wiped out and most of Western Europe would be speaking German now.
But for our entry into WW II the great Depression would have lasted well into the 1950's.
FDR's spending and manipulation of the marketplace may have had temporary positive results, but in the long run was disastrous for the US economy.
Third, try finding enough workers willing to be thrust into poor working conditions with low pay and few benefits...Yeah sure. They'd rather sit home on their lazy dead asses sucking at the taxpayer teat.

 

[bripat9643]

Because the farmers lost money on the food they raised, should they be expected to also pay to get the food to market or to the starving people?
Should the farmers have gotten together and decided that to make a profit they should stop producing more food than they can sell?
Should farmers be able to organize to solve their overproduction?
Did government have a responsibility in solving the farm problem?

The government has never interfered with farmers doing any of those things. However, every time farmers tried to form a cartel to fix prices, it inevitably fell apart, just as all cartels do. SO during the FDR administration the government stepped in and legally mandated membership in the cartel, and it set mandatory production quotas. In other words, the government adopted a fascist farm policy.

No, the government has no responsibility to solve the "farming problem." That will solve itself when a sufficient number of farms go out of business.

 

[georgephillip]

In other words, the government destroyed perfectly good food. And like a true moron you applaud this policy.

What perfectly good food do you think the government destroyed?

You just said it, moron: "crop surplus and excess livestock."

Farmers were paid to NOT plant crops on a portion of their land; this doesn't imply any perfectly good food was destroyed. Excess livestock was killed because the market couldn't deliver the meat to hungry consumers, thanks to Wall Street speculators and other vulture capitalists.

 

[thereisnospoon]

What perfectly good food do you think the government destroyed?

You just said it, moron: "crop surplus and excess livestock."

Farmers were paid to NOT plant crops on a portion of their land; this doesn't imply any perfectly good food was destroyed. Excess livestock was killed because the market couldn't deliver the meat to hungry consumers, thanks to Wall Street speculators and other vulture capitalists.

Thanks to wall street?
Do you think the price for example, beef cattle should be 'fixed' by an outside agency?
Excess livestock?....You are clueless. The concept of 'excess livestock' is just a made up term to make people feel better.
The fact is government interfered in the marketplace by mandating a ceiling of supply of livestock to market.
Those hungry consumers to which you referred were priced out of the market by government actions.
The government limited the supply thus artificially increasing demand. The prices were forced upward.

 

[Silhouette]

If "your government" wants to collect payroll taxes from you, then "your government" needs to bring jobs back from overseas and the robots currently cornering the work of estwhile 100s of thousands of workers. If "your governement" wants to solve its financial problems, then "your government" needs to see the relationship between employed consumers and their ability to purchase and stimulate the economy. Like Henry Ford knew and figured out all too well.

"Your government", in other words, needs to do some elementary school level math and figure out why the economic equation of Greed/Time = Poverty of the 1%. A rich man cannot walk upright without a spine. A rich man's bank account cannot thrive without the middle class. Canada has laws, for example, where only a certain amount of automation is allowed in factories there. Canada apparently didn't fail economics 101. And as proof of that, they have a national healthcare system, better standard of living, thriving capitalism, a balanced budget and a healthy middle class.

You wonder what happened to Detroit? Here's part of the story...

"Your government" only should be a basic framework of laws set up to insure the success of a nation and its economic & physical health as a nice place to live, essentially. The framework allows the freedoms of the individuals within to strive and better themselves. And they are inspired to do so because if they perceive that framework is good, sound, and reliable, their efforts will pay off. You want to know where the disparity of the working class comes from in America and why so many are saying "fuck it" and going on the dole? It is because they perceive, and rightly so, that "their government" is stupid and will cut its own nose off to spite its face. And that the only framework that exists in America is a religion of short-term greed and narcissism where the stingy rich hold all the cards and advantage.

I've seen it myself in friends I know. In direct proportion to their increase in wealth, descends their charitable nature. In the old days it didn't used to be that way. In the old days we had morality alongside capitalism. In the old days we had the great philantropists giving back to the nation that had made them so very very rich. Now its a cut-and-run capitalism devoid of morality. So much so that the practitioners gut even themselves in their own ignorance of their need and reliance upon the middle adn working classes to prop them up.

 

[Unkotare]

I continue to wonder if the OP ever spent any time in a communist country where everyone was 'guaranteed' a job?

 

[georgephillip]

I continue to wonder if the OP ever spent any time in a communist country where everyone was 'guaranteed' a job?

Why would you think only communism could guarantee all workers a job?

 

[georgephillip]

You just said it, moron: "crop surplus and excess livestock."

Farmers were paid to NOT plant crops on a portion of their land; this doesn't imply any perfectly good food was destroyed. Excess livestock was killed because the market couldn't deliver the meat to hungry consumers, thanks to Wall Street speculators and other vulture capitalists.

Thanks to wall street?
Do you think the price for example, beef cattle should be 'fixed' by an outside agency?
Excess livestock?....You are clueless. The concept of 'excess livestock' is just a made up term to make people feel better.
The fact is government interfered in the marketplace by mandating a ceiling of supply of livestock to market.
Those hungry consumers to which you referred were priced out of the market by government actions.
The government limited the supply thus artificially increasing demand. The prices were forced upward.

"The richest one percent of Americans owned over a third of all American assets.

"Such wealth concentrated in the hands of a few limits economic growth.

"The wealthy tended to save money that might have been put back into the economy if it were spread among the middle and lower classes.

"Middle class Americans had already stretched their debt capacities by purchasing automobiles and household appliances on installment plans.

"The unprecedented prosperity of the 1920s was suddenly gone, the Great Depression was upon the nation, and breadlines became a common sight.

"There were fundamental structural weaknesses in the American economic system. Banks operated without guarantees to their customers, creating a climate of panic when times got tough.

"Few regulations were placed on banks and they lent money to those who speculated recklessly in stocks.

"Agricultural prices had already been low during the 1920s, leaving farmers unable to spark any sort of recovery. When the Depression spread across the Atlantic, Europeans bought fewer American products, worsening the slide."

The Great Depression [ushistory.org]

 

[dblack]

Farmers were paid to NOT plant crops on a portion of their land; this doesn't imply any perfectly good food was destroyed. Excess livestock was killed because the market couldn't deliver the meat to hungry consumers, thanks to Wall Street speculators and other vulture capitalists.

Thanks to wall street?
Do you think the price for example, beef cattle should be 'fixed' by an outside agency?
Excess livestock?....You are clueless. The concept of 'excess livestock' is just a made up term to make people feel better.
The fact is government interfered in the marketplace by mandating a ceiling of supply of livestock to market.
Those hungry consumers to which you referred were priced out of the market by government actions.
The government limited the supply thus artificially increasing demand. The prices were forced upward.

"The richest one percent of Americans owned over a third of all American assets.

"Such wealth concentrated in the hands of a few limits economic growth.

"The wealthy tended to save money that might have been put back into the economy if it were spread among the middle and lower classes.

"Middle class Americans had already stretched their debt capacities by purchasing automobiles and household appliances on installment plans.

"The unprecedented prosperity of the 1920s was suddenly gone, the Great Depression was upon the nation, and breadlines became a common sight.

"There were fundamental structural weaknesses in the American economic system. Banks operated without guarantees to their customers, creating a climate of panic when times got tough.

"Few regulations were placed on banks and they lent money to those who speculated recklessly in stocks.

"Agricultural prices had already been low during the 1920s, leaving farmers unable to spark any sort of recovery. When the Depression spread across the Atlantic, Europeans bought fewer American products, worsening the slide."

The Great Depression [ushistory.org]

So what?

 

[georgephillip]

Thanks to wall street?
Do you think the price for example, beef cattle should be 'fixed' by an outside agency?
Excess livestock?....You are clueless. The concept of 'excess livestock' is just a made up term to make people feel better.
The fact is government interfered in the marketplace by mandating a ceiling of supply of livestock to market.
Those hungry consumers to which you referred were priced out of the market by government actions.
The government limited the supply thus artificially increasing demand. The prices were forced upward.

"The richest one percent of Americans owned over a third of all American assets.

"Such wealth concentrated in the hands of a few limits economic growth.

"The wealthy tended to save money that might have been put back into the economy if it were spread among the middle and lower classes.

"Middle class Americans had already stretched their debt capacities by purchasing automobiles and household appliances on installment plans.

"The unprecedented prosperity of the 1920s was suddenly gone, the Great Depression was upon the nation, and breadlines became a common sight.

"There were fundamental structural weaknesses in the American economic system. Banks operated without guarantees to their customers, creating a climate of panic when times got tough.

"Few regulations were placed on banks and they lent money to those who speculated recklessly in stocks.

"Agricultural prices had already been low during the 1920s, leaving farmers unable to spark any sort of recovery. When the Depression spread across the Atlantic, Europeans bought fewer American products, worsening the slide."

The Great Depression [ushistory.org]

So what?

Oligarchs control the government today to the same extent they did in 1928.
Do we tax the rich of drown government in the closest bathtub.