Zelensky says war will 'end sooner' with Trump as president

[BULLDOG]

Keep whining about that after TRUMP! ends the war. We'll for sure give you all kinds of street cred for it.

Get back with me after he ends it in one day. When do you think that one day might be?

 

[Foxfyre]

Well isn't this interesting? Since the election of President Trump, both Russia and Ukraine have changed their tunes about wanting to work out a negotiated settlement and an end to the war in Ukraine. And now it appears that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Zelensky says war will 'end sooner' with Trump as president​

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says he is certain the war with Russia will “end sooner” than it otherwise would have done once Donald Trump becomes US president.

Zelensky said he had a “constructive exchange” with Trump during their phone conversation after his victory in the US presidential election.

He did not say whether Trump had made any demands regarding possible talks with Russia, but said he'd not heard anything from him that was contrary to Ukraine’s position.

Trump has consistently said his priority is to end the war and stop what he says is a drain on US resources, in the form of military aid to Ukraine.

“It is certain that the war will end sooner with the policies of the team that will now lead the White House. This is their approach, their promise to their citizens,” Zelensky said in an interview with the Ukrainian media outlet Suspilne.

He added that Ukraine "must do everything so that this war ends next year, ends through diplomatic means".

The situation on the battlefield is difficult, with Russian forces making advances, Zelensky said.

He said US legislation only allows him to meet with Trump after his inauguration in January.

Trump and Zelensky have long had a tumultuous relationship. Trump was impeached in 2019 over accusations that he pressured Zelensky to dig up damaging information on the Biden family.

Despite years of differences, Trump has insisted he had a very good relationship with Zelensky.

When the pair met in New York in September, Trump said he “learned a lot” from the meeting and said he would get the war "resolved very quickly".

Trump has yet to divulge how he intends to end the war.

His Democratic opponents have accused him of cosying up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and say his approach to the war amounts to surrender for Ukraine that will endanger all of Europe.

But German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who spoke with Trump following his election win, told German media that the incoming US leader had a "more nuanced" position on the war than was commonly assumed.

Scholz told the Süddeutsche Zeitung newspaper that his call with Trump was “perhaps surprisingly, a very detailed and good conversation”.

Zelensky says war will 'end sooner' with Trump as president

Trump is a master negotiator and his method is to find win-win solutions for all parties and/or allow the losing side to save face. If anybody can restore the peace, he most likely can. I am sure both Putin and Zelensky want this war to end without appearing to have been defeated.

I thought it interesting that Trump made no firm claims about negotiating peace in the Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis/Israel conflict though. When dealing with religious fanatics as we find on the Palestinian side, negotiations have never worked to accomplish anything other than temporary cease fires. So long as the militant Muslims have as their manifesto the death of all Jews and obliteration of Israel, that is even beyond Trump's impressive abilities to solve.

 

[AntonToo]

The poll says that the same 52% agree to 'some' territorial concessions. Yeah, the main question is what the 'some' means. And maybe I have to agree, for now, that for this majority 'some' means 'at the current frontline' or even less.

But a trend, my friend. A year ago, there were the opposite numbers in the polls. There were even fewer numbers when 'territories' were mentioned. Putin raised his demands, now he wants more than 'the reality on the ground'. Will the Ukrainians support this? Don't know. But one more year in the way this fucking war is conducted, I wouldn't be surprised if they will.

As wars drag on it's natural for the population to grow tired, become less demanding of all-or-nothing victory, more willing for concessions.

I've never denied there is a trend, I was saying that previously it wasn't even true that most Ukranians wanted to give up ANY territories.

Now it is true that Ukranians generally are willing to give up some territory, but clearly giving up all 5 regions that Russia wrote into their constitution would be a significantly smaller subset of the 52%.

 

[AntonToo]

Trump is a master negotiator and his method is to find win-win solutions for all parties and/or allow the losing side to save face. If anybody can restore the peace, he most likely can. I am sure both Putin and Zelensky want this war to end without appearing to have been defeated.

Yea yea, we've heard all that before - on North Korea, on Middle East, on Obamacare, on the wall, on the deficits, on all kinds of easy-come-easy-go-promises.

Trump was a president for 4 years and had a pretty poor record of being able to negotiate or solve much of anything.


There is little reason to think Trump has any unique leverage on Putin to give up more than he otherwise would, on the other hand Putin knows that Trump is his last chance to walk away with something out of his disasterous Ukranian misadventures.

 

[Deadstick]

Thats a bunch of silly Russian propaganda. There is a very specific, fundamental reason for the conflict - RUSSIAN INVASION and manufacturing of separatism in Ukraine.

Saying that people were getting killed, without mentioning the ROOT CAUSE of Russia's lawless, imperialist campaign to subjugate Ukraine is stupidity itself.

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

There is no cure for stupid and boy are you stupid, just stop lying you idiot, Russia didn't need to maufacture anything, there was a coup that overthrew the elected Government then when people in Donbass said we won't tolerate it they were attacked by the Ukrainian army and their NAZI goon squads, there was the massacre in Odessa when they burned people alive and that was what they planned for Crimea and Donbass, that isn't propaganda you fool it's a fact.

 

[Foxfyre]

Yea yea, we've heard all that before - on North Korea, on Middle East, on Obamacare, on all kinds of easy-come-easy-go-promises.

When Trump was president North Korea stopped firing provocative missiles over South Korea and Japan and there was definitely a diplomatic thaw between North and South Korea. When Biden took over in 2021, the iron curtain came firmly down again and Kim is again firing missiles.

When Trump was President, the war in Syria quietly ended and the war in Afghanistan was being wound down wisely, safely, peacefully with the Taliban in full check. When Biden took over the Taliban moved immediately to reclaim power, resulting in the embarrassing hasty evacuation of Kabul, the needless and tragic death of 13 American service personnel, leaving behind billions in weapons/supplies/vehicles, leaving Americans and Afghan allies behind to whatever terrible fates, and rendered 20 years of blood and treasure totally meaningless.

When Trump was President, four Arab nations made peace/trade treaties with Israel which was nothing short of miraculous and wonderful.

When Trump was president, China, Russia and Iran all stopped saber ratting and no longer posed threats to their neighbors. When Biden took over in 2021, all again began threatening their neighbors, Iran again had money to help fund Hamas' attack on Israel, Russia invaded the Ukraine and all conflicts have been steadily escalating.

When Trump was President we had the closest thing to World Peace any of us had ever experienced. When Biden took over his policies have placed us on the brink of WWIII.

 

[AntonToo]

there was a coup that overthrew the elected Government then when people in Donbass said we won't tolerate it they were attacked by the Ukrainian army and their NAZI goon squads

You clearly don't understand the timeline or events in Ukraine. So how about you stop talking out of your ass and actually go read up on it?

There was no armed conflict untill Russian nationals and hybrid military units like one led by ex-KGB agent Girkin started armed take over of eastern Ukranian cities like Sloviansk in April 2014. Ukranian army was called in as a response to this foreign invasion, not to somehow supress civilian discontent

Again, simply READ:

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

 

[ESay]

As wars drag on it's natural for the population to grow tired, become less demanding of all-or-nothing victory, more willing for concessions.

I've never denied there is a trend, I was saying that previously it wasn't even true that most Ukranians wanted to give up ANY territories.

Now it is true that Ukranians generally are willing to give up some territory, but clearly giving up all 5 regions that Russia wrote into their constitution would be a significantly smaller subset of the 52%.

Yes, if the question was directly about all 5 regions (actually 6, Sevastopol always had a special status) in their administrative borders then the 'yes' answer would be a slim minority. As for now. Even for me it would be hard to say 'yes' on this very question. But all that is as for now.

 

[GLASNOST]

....... there was a coup that overthrew the elected Government then when people in Donbass said we won't tolerate it they were attacked by the Ukrainian army and their NAZI goon squads, there was the massacre in Odessa when they burned people alive and that was what they planned for Crimea and Donbass, that isn't propaganda you fool it's a fact.

You clearly don't understand the timeline or events in Ukraine.

He not only understands the timeline but he also knows what a timeline is. You obviously do not.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is a master negotiator and his method is to find win-win solutions for all parties and/or allow the losing side to save face.

Can you show an example where Trump has ever done this?

 

[Deadstick]

You clearly don't understand the timeline or events in Ukraine. So how about you stop talking out of your ass and actually go read up on it?

There was no armed conflict untill Russian nationals like ex-KGB agent Girkin started armed take over of eastern Ukranian cities like Sloviansk in April 2014. Ukranian army was called in as a response to this foreign invasion, not to somehow supress mere protesting.

Again, simply READ:

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Take a look at this you clown, this is Donetsk City and this indiscriminate shelling of civilians was going on from 2014 after the Coup, why do you think people in Donbass and Lughansk formed themselves into defence militias? this was another reason Russia went in in 2022 to stop the genocide, Kiev sent criminals like the Tornado battalion in there to rape children and kill along with other gangs like Azov, so you go and read up, what i don't understand what people like you get out of being in denial?

 

[Foxfyre]

Can you show an example where Trump has ever done this?

Many and I have provided them several times over the years. But such explanations are generally wasted on the TDS afflicted so I won't bother. Thanks for understanding. But I am happy that Zelensky and Putin are both willing to give it a try with Trump as the moderator.

 

[GLASNOST]

Trump is a master negotiator and his method is to find win-win solutions for all parties and/or allow the losing side to save face.

Can you show an example where Trump has ever done this?

Yes. He beat the pants off of Camel Hairless by winning the election without grabbing her snatch.

 

[AntonToo]

Take a look at this you clown, this is Donetsk City and this indiscriminate shelling of civilians was going on from 2014 after the Coup

You aren't listening.

Let try again, in a very simple way:

February 2014: Yanukovich runs off to Russia and refuses to sign final agreement with oppostion that he previously agreed to, while Putin is annexing Crimea
April 12, 2014: Russian led, armed groups like the one led by Girkin start to take over cities in eastern Donbas.
April 13, 2014: Ukrane declares anti-terrorist operation and sends in millitary to fight back the invasion.

Fighting in Donetsk only began at the end of may (battle for Donetsk airport) with first civilian colleteral casualties from unguided munitions happening during the summer.


So what you are saying is incompatible with simple facts of the timeline of the conflict..

 

[AntonToo]

this was another reason Russia went in in 2022 to stop the genocide

Genocide? Between 2019 and Jan 2022 there were only a handful of casualties in the conflict, mostly from people blowing up on the mines.

Conflict was mostly frozen when Russia launched their missiles and rolled in their tanks, attacking Ukraine from 6 fronts, killing thousands within days. If Russia merely wanted to defend eastern Ukraine then all they had to do was put their forces there.


So is there anything that you know that is even remotely based on facts?

 

[hadit]

Get back with me after he ends it in one day. When do you think that one day might be?

You seem fixated on the whole one-day thing. Like I said, be sure to give out the sour grapes after it's over and peace comes again. You'll be a hero.

 

[Deadstick]

You aren't listening.

Let try again, in a very simple way:

February 2014: Yanukovich runs off to Russia and refuses to sign final agreement with oppostion that he previously agreed to, while Putin is annexing Crimea
April 12, 2014: Russian led, armed groups like the one led by Girkin start to take over cities in eastern Donbas.
April 13, 2014: Ukrane declares anti-terrorist operation and sends in millitary to fight back the invasion.

Fighting in Donetsk only began at the end of may (battle for Donetsk airport) with first civilian colleteral casualties from unguided munitions happening during the summer.


So what you are saying is incompatible with simple facts of the timeline of the conflict..

No you are not listening, you forgot about or i should say ignored the coup instigated by the US, Yanukovych fled because there was a Banderite lynch mob after him

Genocide? Between 2019 and Jan 2022 there were only a handful of casualties in the conflict, mostly from people blowing up on the mines.

Conflict was mostly frozen when Russia launched their missiles and rolled in their tanks, attacking Ukraine from 6 fronts, killing thousands within days. If Russia merely wanted to defend eastern Ukraine then all they had to do was put their forces there.


So is there anything that you know that is even remotely based on facts?

Bullshit! you forgot about Minskm2 which Merkel and the Ukrainians admitted they had no intention of going along with, it was just to give time for the Ukrainians to build up their forces to take Donbass, they had already massed forces along the contact line, there was also the agreement between the Maidan leaders and Ynukovych to end the violence see text in the link, that agreement gave almost everything the Maidan mob wanted there was to be a Government of National unity and new elections no later than December that year, it was about two days later the Nazi hotheads of right sector stormed Government buildings, they didn't want any election because they may have lost, you can't get away from the fact the Coup started all the problems, it looks like you ignored the vid of shelling of civilians i posted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-protests-the-full-text-of-the-agreement-to-end-the-crisis/2014/02/21/e224faf8-9b07-11e3-975d-107dfef7b668_story.html

 

[AntonToo]

No you are not listening, you forgot about or i should say ignored the coup instigated by the US, Yanukovych fled because there was a Banderite lynch mob after him

Bullshit! you forgot about Minskm2

In what way does anything you've just said refute that it was Russians invading Ukraine that was the root cause of the war and it's casualties?

When Russians were shooting out of tanks at their own Congress in the 90's did that suddenly give foreigners some sort of right to invade and annex Russian territories? Of course not, these are internal matters in sovereign countries.

 

[Deadstick]

In what way does anything you've just said refute that it was Russians invading Ukraine that was the root cause of the war and it's casualties?

When Russians were shooting out of tanks at their own Congress in the 90's did that suddenly give foreigners some sort of right to invade and annex Russian territories? Of course not, these are internal matters in sovereign countries.

What don't you get about the Coup in 2014 that overthrew the elected Government? that was the start and it's not rocket science to understand that, unless you don't want to.

 

[AntonToo]

What don't you get about the Coup in 2014 that overthrew the elected Government? that was the start and it's not rocket science to understand that, unless you don't want to.

So if we have "the Coup" in America it's suddenly ok for Russia to go annex Alaska?

Do you not understand that you are posting complete nonsense?

Nothing about happenings in Kiev entitled Russians to go take over Crimea and other Ukranian territories. Ukranian army fighting back to regain control of the country was completely apropriate and justified.