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there is no such thing as a 'brush-bucking" bullet. Even 12 ga slugs (not rotating like a rifle bullet) are EASILY deflected by brush. If the brush is contacted close to the gun (due to looking over the sights and not noticing the twig) the effect is normally far worse than if the brush/bullet impact occurs close to the target. The reason for this is two fold. One, the bullet is not yet fully stabilized (by gyro spin for the rifle bullet, or the nose-heaviness of the 12 ga slug) and because the greater distance traveled after contact with brush allows for the bullet/slug to be further diverted off its intended flight path.
The 308 autoloader is much easier to get (swift, up close) repeat hits with, vs the 45-70 lever action. The 308 has less recoil in the first place, the gas-op auto action "soaks up" some of the felt recoil, and the lever action takes a lot longer to cycle and a lot more practice to get fast hits. The 45-70 ammo is COMICALLY overpriced. Just the reloading components for 45-70 cost as much as 308 milsurp practice ammo.
The 45-70 is near worthless at ranges beyond 150 yds, cause it drifts in the wind like a balloon and drops like a stone, due to its large flat pointed bullet "bucking" a lot of wind resistance., as well a low initial velocity. google up a ballistics chart, and compare the 45-70 to the 308, sheesh
The 308 auto is many times the better choice for deer, elk, or men, because of the 308's rapidfire advantage, the greater ease at hitting at longer ranges, and the much greater likelihood of having PRACTICED with it (enough) 45-70 fans tend to be just talk, little or no action.
For stopping charges by large animals, chest hits cannot be relied upon. It ALWAYS takes 4 or more seconds for loss of organ function or blood loss to shut down a mammal. SOMETIMES, shock can do the job, especially on men, but this is rare with large, adrenalized, 4 legged animals. It is commonplace for a 100 lb deer to run a ways after being solidly chest-hit with a 12 ga slug, which has twice the frontal area of a 45-70 bullet, and the same momentum. So why would you expect a 500 lb PREDATOR bear or 1000 lb moose to be stopped by a chest hit with a 45-70, hmm? ONLY BRAIN hits (or fluke spine hits) can be relied upon to stop charges, and the 308 auto has several times a greater probability of getting the brain hit, because of its ease of rapidfire hitting and lower cost practice.
Put a deep penetrating, expanding(but holding together) bulllet in the 308, like the 180 gr Nosler Partition, and the 308 auto does fine vs large critters. If you want to reach further than the 180 allows, just use the 165 gr Nosler.
Partition Bullet Nosler
The 308 autoloader is much easier to get (swift, up close) repeat hits with, vs the 45-70 lever action. The 308 has less recoil in the first place, the gas-op auto action "soaks up" some of the felt recoil, and the lever action takes a lot longer to cycle and a lot more practice to get fast hits. The 45-70 ammo is COMICALLY overpriced. Just the reloading components for 45-70 cost as much as 308 milsurp practice ammo.
The 45-70 is near worthless at ranges beyond 150 yds, cause it drifts in the wind like a balloon and drops like a stone, due to its large flat pointed bullet "bucking" a lot of wind resistance., as well a low initial velocity. google up a ballistics chart, and compare the 45-70 to the 308, sheesh
The 308 auto is many times the better choice for deer, elk, or men, because of the 308's rapidfire advantage, the greater ease at hitting at longer ranges, and the much greater likelihood of having PRACTICED with it (enough) 45-70 fans tend to be just talk, little or no action.
For stopping charges by large animals, chest hits cannot be relied upon. It ALWAYS takes 4 or more seconds for loss of organ function or blood loss to shut down a mammal. SOMETIMES, shock can do the job, especially on men, but this is rare with large, adrenalized, 4 legged animals. It is commonplace for a 100 lb deer to run a ways after being solidly chest-hit with a 12 ga slug, which has twice the frontal area of a 45-70 bullet, and the same momentum. So why would you expect a 500 lb PREDATOR bear or 1000 lb moose to be stopped by a chest hit with a 45-70, hmm? ONLY BRAIN hits (or fluke spine hits) can be relied upon to stop charges, and the 308 auto has several times a greater probability of getting the brain hit, because of its ease of rapidfire hitting and lower cost practice.
Put a deep penetrating, expanding(but holding together) bulllet in the 308, like the 180 gr Nosler Partition, and the 308 auto does fine vs large critters. If you want to reach further than the 180 allows, just use the 165 gr Nosler.
Partition Bullet Nosler
