CrusaderFrank
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ACORN is a criminal enterprise and should be shut down under RICO
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Forgive me, I thought you were someone that could think rationally. Apparently I was mistaken...you get all your thoughts from the media.You think the police are lying?
I could give two cents what the police say. If you have ANY doubts that ACORN is a corrupt organization wasting OUR tax dollars for their corruption, then you are much dumber than I initially thought.
If you want to accuse the cops of lying about this, fine. I don't think they are lying.
Forgive me, I thought you were someone that could think rationally. Apparently I was mistaken...you get all your thoughts from the media.I could give two cents what the police say. If you have ANY doubts that ACORN is a corrupt organization wasting OUR tax dollars for their corruption, then you are much dumber than I initially thought.
If you want to accuse the cops of lying about this, fine. I don't think they are lying.
so you apporve of ACORN just because your black?????
I tend to agree, but don't quite have a good grasp of how it applies. Not doubting it, just want to know how so that I am informed. ACORN stinks to high heaven, and I want to know as much as possible about how to stop them and how they are organized (the latter is very difficult).ACORN is a criminal enterprise and should be shut down under RICO
Forgive me, I thought you were someone that could think rationally. Apparently I was mistaken...you get all your thoughts from the media.I could give two cents what the police say. If you have ANY doubts that ACORN is a corrupt organization wasting OUR tax dollars for their corruption, then you are much dumber than I initially thought.
If you want to accuse the cops of lying about this, fine. I don't think they are lying.
Again, I could care less what the cops say. This is about ACORN.
National City police said Monday that Juan Carlos Vera contacted his cousin, a police detective, to get advice on what to with information on possible human smuggling.
Not sure why you say that. ACORN employees committed fraud by filling out false voter registration claims. ACORN didn't condone that behavior...what benefit would it be to them to turn in false registrations? I can't see any benefit at all. Micky Mouse and Donald Duck? GMAFB. And ACORN is the one that turned their employees in.The only thing that amazes me about this whole situation, including all of the previous election fraud convictions that have been rendered against ACORN members, is why on Earth ACORN is not the subject of a Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization (RICO) investigation.
The only possible answer to that is political corruption at the highest levels.
ACORN is required by law to turn in every application they receive, even if they think or know that it is false.
Members of their organization including part-time seasonal workers?Not sure why you say that. ACORN employees committed fraud by filling out false voter registration claims. ACORN didn't condone that behavior...what benefit would it be to them to turn in false registrations? I can't see any benefit at all. Micky Mouse and Donald Duck? GMAFB. And ACORN is the one that turned their employees in.The only thing that amazes me about this whole situation, including all of the previous election fraud convictions that have been rendered against ACORN members, is why on Earth ACORN is not the subject of a Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization (RICO) investigation.
The only possible answer to that is political corruption at the highest levels.
ACORN is required by law to turn in every application they receive, even if they think or know that it is false.
If members of their organization commit those fraudulent acts anymore than once in a ten year period, then the organization can be prosecuted under the Criminal (as distinguished from Civil) RICO statute.
Wait....more coming on this.
Members of their organization including part-time seasonal workers?Not sure why you say that. ACORN employees committed fraud by filling out false voter registration claims. ACORN didn't condone that behavior...what benefit would it be to them to turn in false registrations? I can't see any benefit at all. Micky Mouse and Donald Duck? GMAFB. And ACORN is the one that turned their employees in.
ACORN is required by law to turn in every application they receive, even if they think or know that it is false.
If members of their organization commit those fraudulent acts anymore than once in a ten year period, then the organization can be prosecuted under the Criminal (as distinguished from Civil) RICO statute.
Wait....more coming on this.
I tend to agree, but don't quite have a good grasp of how it applies. Not doubting it, just want to know how so that I am informed. ACORN stinks to high heaven, and I want to know as much as possible about how to stop them and how they are organized (the latter is very difficult).ACORN is a criminal enterprise and should be shut down under RICO
RICO cases need three key elements. Criminal charges can be brought against: (i) a "person," who is part of an (ii) an "enterprise" which includes any legal entity (iii) which engages in a "pattern of racketeering activity" (defined as committing any 2 of 35 named crimes within a 10-year period). And yes, fraud is one of the crimes that can trigger RICO.
Members of their organization including part-time seasonal workers?Not sure why you say that. ACORN employees committed fraud by filling out false voter registration claims. ACORN didn't condone that behavior...what benefit would it be to them to turn in false registrations? I can't see any benefit at all. Micky Mouse and Donald Duck? GMAFB. And ACORN is the one that turned their employees in.
ACORN is required by law to turn in every application they receive, even if they think or know that it is false.
If members of their organization commit those fraudulent acts anymore than once in a ten year period, then the organization can be prosecuted under the Criminal (as distinguished from Civil) RICO statute.
Wait....more coming on this.
I read your link...not saying you are wrong, but it was a little over the top partisan for me to believe it.Members of their organization including part-time seasonal workers?If members of their organization commit those fraudulent acts anymore than once in a ten year period, then the organization can be prosecuted under the Criminal (as distinguished from Civil) RICO statute.
Wait....more coming on this.
Of course. And unpaid volunteers. They are under the organization and control of the management of the organization and acting in furtherance of its goals.
Thank you very much. I've even bookmarked that link.I tend to agree, but don't quite have a good grasp of how it applies. Not doubting it, just want to know how so that I am informed. ACORN stinks to high heaven, and I want to know as much as possible about how to stop them and how they are organized (the latter is very difficult).ACORN is a criminal enterprise and should be shut down under RICO
I was researching the elements of the Criminal RICO statue so I could demonstrate how ACORN could be prosecuted to answer your question. But, happily, I found a former US Attorney has already done all the work on it. (And he probably has more credibility on maintaining a criminal complaint than I do....lol). So first, here are the elements of RICO:
RICO cases need three key elements. Criminal charges can be brought against: (i) a "person," who is part of an (ii) an "enterprise" which includes any legal entity (iii) which engages in a "pattern of racketeering activity" (defined as committing any 2 of 35 named crimes within a 10-year period). And yes, fraud is one of the crimes that can trigger RICO.
And here is a link to the complete Niagara Times article: Why Isn’t ACORN Vote Fraud A Criminal RICO?
The reader will note that this is only for Vote Fraud and doesn't even have to do with the current alleged flap. Those could be added as additional counts against it in the RICO complaint. The general rule of thumb on these is that you throw as many counts in as you can in case any get struck so you can still make your required 2 counts.
I read your link...not saying you are wrong, but it was a little over the top partisan for me to believe it.Members of their organization including part-time seasonal workers?
Of course. And unpaid volunteers. They are under the organization and control of the management of the organization and acting in furtherance of its goals.
I read your link...not saying you are wrong, but it was a little over the top partisan for me to believe it.Members of their organization including part-time seasonal workers?
Of course. And unpaid volunteers. They are under the organization and control of the management of the organization and acting in furtherance of its goals.
Forgive me, I thought you were someone that could think rationally. Apparently I was mistaken...you get all your thoughts from the media.
If you want to accuse the cops of lying about this, fine. I don't think they are lying.
so you apporve of ACORN just because your black?????Could you be any more retarded? Or racist?
I remember that many of Bush's attorney generals were tasked with finding information on ACORN to convict them and when they couldn't they were fired.I read your link...not saying you are wrong, but it was a little over the top partisan for me to believe it.Of course. And unpaid volunteers. They are under the organization and control of the management of the organization and acting in furtherance of its goals.
Are you accusing a US Attorney of being partisan? Who are you Alberto Gonzales? US Attorneys play it down the middle. This is about enforcement of the rule of law not politics.
Don't you remember that from the summer of 2007?
I remember that many of Bush's attorney generals were tasked with finding information on ACORN to convict them and when they couldn't they were fired.I read your link...not saying you are wrong, but it was a little over the top partisan for me to believe it.
Are you accusing a US Attorney of being partisan? Who are you Alberto Gonzales? US Attorneys play it down the middle. This is about enforcement of the rule of law not politics.
Don't you remember that from the summer of 2007?
There were several, but here's a quick one.I remember that many of Bush's attorney generals were tasked with finding information on ACORN to convict them and when they couldn't they were fired.Are you accusing a US Attorney of being partisan? Who are you Alberto Gonzales? US Attorneys play it down the middle. This is about enforcement of the rule of law not politics.
Don't you remember that from the summer of 2007?
You mean Bush's US Attorneys. There is only one Attorney General. I listened to the hearings quite extensively and don't remember ACORN ever being mentioned in them. Most of the accusations were that instances of alleged political corruption involving Dem official was not prosecuted. I think there were maybe three or so instances of that amongst all of the US Attorneys and some of those allegations were pretty lame. But, I don't remember anything about ACORN.
Maybe you could give me a news report from then to refresh my recollection?
David Iglesias (attorney) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn October 2008, a report by the Department of Justice's Inspector General found that Iglesias had been wrongfully dismissed because he had refused to pursue prosecutions against the Democrat-linked community organization ACORN and a prominent New Mexico Democrat. "The real reasons for Iglesias' removal were the complaints from New Mexico Republican politicians and party activists about how Iglesias handled voter fraud and public corruption cases in the state," the report says. The Inspector General's report says that Senator Domenici's complaints were the "primary" reason Iglesias was fired. [3]