Accused murderers on ankle monitors in Chicago.....all the reasons Chicagoans need access to guns...

[2aguy]

So far the CWB has 3 parts to this list....here is the first part...

Who are the accused murderers and attempted murderers on electronic monitoring? The mayor says she doesn't know. So, we found out.

Who are the people charged with murder and attempted murder that are on electronic monitoring in Chicago? Mayor Lori Lightfoot's office told a reporter they had no way of knowing. So, of course, CWBChicago found out.

cwbchicago.com

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Chicago voted for this, so I'm fine with it.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Our system is "supposed" to consider people charged with a crime, "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law. So, until they've had their trial, they are not guilty, although in our modern era (fingerprints, cam-recordings, DNA, et cetera), many accused are indeed guilty, the court trial is needed to finalize the accusation. Until they get that trial, they can be released via bail, unless the accused is known to be so dangerous in his/her/its past that release on bail would certainly bring about more victims.
My personal opinion is that if there is sufficient and reliable technical evidence that, that individual did indeed did deliberately murder someone, that person should be held in confinement until the trial.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Our system is "supposed" to consider people charged with a crime, "innocent until proven guilty" in a court of law. So, until they've had their trial, they are not guilty, although in our modern era (fingerprints, cam-recordings, DNA, et cetera), many accused are indeed guilty, the court trial is needed to finalize the accusation. Until they get that trial, they can be released via bail, unless the accused is known to be so dangerous in his/her/its past that release on bail would certainly bring about more victims.
My personal opinion is that if there is sufficient and reliable technical evidence that, that individual did indeed did deliberately murder someone, that person should be held in confinement until the trial.

A very factual and logical reply. It's called tagging in the UK. The majority believes Innocent Until Proven Guilty, those that love guns believe the answer is more guns.

 

[LuckyDuck]

A very factual and logical reply. It's called tagging in the UK. The majority believes Innocent Until Proven Guilty, those that love guns believe the answer is more guns.

Actually, most make up their minds about accused suspects before the trials, it's human nature.
As for guns, I am a firearm's owner and I don't have a problem with those that own them, as long as they aren't committing crimes with them. In the United States, the vast "millions" of those that own firearms, do so legally and are no threat to anyone. Just focus on those that commit crimes with them.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Actually, most make up their minds about accused suspects before the trials, it's human nature.
As for guns, I am a firearm's owner and I don't have a problem with those that own them, as long as they aren't committing crimes with them. In the United States, the vast "millions" of those that own firearms, do so legally and are no threat to anyone. Just focus on those that commit crimes with them.

Two things.

Gun security - are they secured when not in use, can they be accessed by children/adults etc.., are they left lying out loaded.

Eligibility - despite millions owning them, which ones really shouldn't because previous history, current medical reasons etc.. Are back ground checks enforced or fully followed through? Are they sufficient, is the need for a firearm valid, references followed up, family checks done and are you medically ok to own one. Pass all that, no problem.

People think all criminals have guns, but certainly in the UK, very few do. In reality, where would a would-be bank robber go and get a real gun in the UK? Can't from a gun shop because you need the correct licence etc.. If they're gonna steal one, from where? They need a crystal ball to work out who has one, and try to burgle a house and prise a gun cabinet open.

 

[2aguy]

Two things.

Gun security - are they secured when not in use, can they be accessed by children/adults etc.., are they left lying out loaded.

Eligibility - despite millions owning them, which ones really shouldn't because previous history, current medical reasons etc.. Are back ground checks enforced or fully followed through? Are they sufficient, is the need for a firearm valid, references followed up, family checks done and are you medically ok to own one. Pass all that, no problem.

People think all criminals have guns, but certainly in the UK, very few do. In reality, where would a would-be bank robber go and get a real gun in the UK? Can't from a gun shop because you need the correct licence etc.. If they're gonna steal one, from where? They need a crystal ball to work out who has one, and try to burgle a house and prise a gun cabinet open.

The police in Britain can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into Britain..........the drug gangs in Britain are now controlled by immigrants...who do not respect British culture or fear British law or police....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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Powerful automatic guns are being smuggled into Britain for use by organised crime gangs.

The National Crime Agency and police seized weapons in raids on the homes of previously untouchable “Mr Big”s after receiving intelligence from European detectives who broke an encrypted phone network used by drug dealers and gun traffickers.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gangs-bring-rapid-fire-guns-to-britains-streets-70bl36dl6
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Matt Perfect, the crime agency’s firearms threat lead, said that new Skorpion and G9A automatic pistols, which fire at a speed comparable to an AK47 assault rifle, were found.
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Scotland Yard today said police are seizing more deadly automatic weapons from criminals in London as detectives revealed that an innocent bystander was gunned down with a suspected Skorpion sub-machine gun last month .

Rise in sub-machine guns on London streets

Revealed - The deadly cache of guns taken off West Midlands streets

Rise in sub-machine guns on London streets

Scotland Yard today said police are seizing more deadly automatic weapons from criminals in London as detectives revealed that an innocent bystander was gunned down with a suspected Skorpion sub-machine gun last month .

www.standard.co.uk

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A former undercover cop who snared members of the Burger Bar Boys has warned violent gangs are in an “arms race” to control the West Midlands’ illegal drugs trade.

Neil Woods, now a campaigner to legalise recreational drugs for rehabilitation benefits, said criminals are willing to use “extreme violence” to gain an upper hand on their competitors.

That includes “importing” illegal firearms from places like the “Balkans” region of south eastern Europe onto the streets of the West Midlands, ready for combat.

UK Gangs In "Arms Race" Despite Gun Control Laws

 

[LuckyDuck]

Two things.

Gun security - are they secured when not in use, can they be accessed by children/adults etc.., are they left lying out loaded.

Eligibility - despite millions owning them, which ones really shouldn't because previous history, current medical reasons etc.. Are back ground checks enforced or fully followed through? Are they sufficient, is the need for a firearm valid, references followed up, family checks done and are you medically ok to own one. Pass all that, no problem.

People think all criminals have guns, but certainly in the UK, very few do. In reality, where would a would-be bank robber go and get a real gun in the UK? Can't from a gun shop because you need the correct licence etc.. If they're gonna steal one, from where? They need a crystal ball to work out who has one, and try to burgle a house and prise a gun cabinet open.

1. Mine are stored in a safe, excluding the one next to my head in bed and there are no kids in the house. The only other person in the house, is my daughter and she has her own pistol and small safe. When I leave the house, my Glock is on me. I had a .22 rifle when a kid, grew up, entered the military and was in 23 years and have a s**tload of experience with them. Depending upon what type and how many firearms are owned, safes can get a bit pricey.
2. All law-abiding citizens opting to purchase a firearm, MUST fill out a background check form and wait until the background check is complete. There are NO exceptions. I can't speak for each state, however, in our state, if you wish a CCL (Concealed Carry License), you have to fill out a additional form and be fingerprinted and wait.
3. Assorted celebrities, politicians, high-ranking businessmen/women and merchants that carry large sums of money or expensive jewelry are almost always approved for concealed carry permits. Just because someone who isn't one of those people, but may live in a high crime area, is considered "less-worthy" than the prima-donnas, is a load of crap. Their lives are just as precious to them as they are to the upper-crust snobs, politicians and businessmen/women. So, they should not be limited either.
NOW....a few inconvenient facts for you (I'm guessing by the third paragraph, you reside in jolly old England), of course, I could be wrong. You still have gun crime there.
1. Most gun deaths are actually attributed to (drum roll here), SUICIDES. Newsflash....if you take a firearm away from someone "absolutely determined to kill him/herself", that person will almost certainly succeed via a different method (hanging, slitting wrists/throat, pills, toxic chemicals, electrical shock, et cetera) later on. Many a person has convinced psychiatrists that they would do no such thing in the future and then commit suicide. Inner-city gang related killings are the largest contributors to actual gun murders and they use mostly handguns, stolen handguns. For no matter how well you stow your firearms in a safe, home safes aren't impregnable. Hell, given enough time bank safes aren't impregnable with the right tools. Some firearms are "ghost-guns." Such firearms are actually made in basements, garages, et cetera. No serial numbers, no background checks. The technology is there now.
2. RESEARCH the actual reason for the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment and it isn't for hunting. Our founding fathers saw that private citizen's, forming their own militias, were a major contributor to expelling a "tyrannical government," yours. Knowing humanities history of tyrannical governments invading and trying to overthrow other established governments. The founding fathers drafted the Second Amendment (right after the First Amendment, guaranteeing the freedom of speech, the freedom of religion and the right to a free press). They made it clear in the Federalist letters that the people could bear (carry) arms to protect the freedom of their state against any tyrannical government, whether foreign OR domestic. They were also aware of the right of individuals to protect their and their families lives against life threatening situations.
3. When a government decides to oppress its own people and take away their rights, the first thing they do is demand registration of all firearms, followed by the confiscation of those firearms (Germany, Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, Laos, Venezuela, et cetera). Once the firearms are taken, they can enact any draconian legislation they wish, as all the people can do is vocally object, followed by their convenient disappearance.
The United Kingdom still has a multi-party system, thus it hasn't become like those nations, yet. In the U.S., the current pro-Marxist, so-called Democrat Party, which bears no resemblance to the Democrat Party of decades ago, are trying to do what they can to turn this nation into a one-party political system. Throughout history, whenever you have only one ruling party, you have authoritarianism, oppression, persecution, tyranny and outright murder. There has never been a situation when that wasn't the case.