Alan Simpson Calls GOP Refusal To Raise Revenue ‘Absolute Bullshit’

[saveliberty]

How many millionaires we got in Congress? How many of them will have a higher tax bill when this is all said and done? I smell loopholes.

 

[BenNatuf]

Benny, you are the poster child for neocon willful ignorance and partisan hackery. Observe and learn:

Did the Bush administration include the cost of the war in its 2005 budget?No. Instead, it plans to ask for funding in the form of supplemental appropriations from Congress in early 2005. This has led some critics to charge that the Bush administration is trying to hide the cost of the war from American voters. “We must give the troops what they need to be successful under increasingly risky conditions. And the president must tell the hard truth to the American people about how much longer our troops will remain in Iraq and how much more it will cost,” House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said May 5. The Bush administration says it can’t estimate the costs because it does not know how many soldiers it will keep in Iraq and under what conditions they will serve. One solution: the Bush administration could have budgeted $30 billion to $50 billion— assuming the war would cost at least that much. “It was a policy decision” [not to], Holtz-Eakin says.

IRAQ: The war's price tag - Council on Foreign Relations


Finally, we should point out that the procedure used by the administration to fund the Iraq war was chosen deliberately in order to deflect close attention. The administration has requested nearly all the money for the war in the form of “emergency” funding, which is not subject to standard budget caps or vigorous scrutiny. Emergency funding is intended for genuine crises, such as Hurricane Katrina, where the utmost speed is required to get the money to the field. The continued use of this emergency procedure—five years after the war began—is budgetary sleight of hand that makes a mockery of a democratic budget process.

The $3 Trillion War | Politics | Vanity Fair


The president’s defense budget does seem to get high marks across the political spectrum for its transparency in accounting for the true cost of the war; President Bush was often criticized for tucking war expenses into various line items that were hard to add up consistently. As Bob Work, a vice president at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, put it, “People can say this budget is wrong, but it is very upfront.”

The Economic Cost of War in Iraq and Afghanistan - NYTimes.com

and you are the poster child for idiots who can't read a chart. The chart dumbass has the total deficit, the on budget deficit and the off budget SURPLUS. the total deficit including both ON budget and OFF budget items in 2007 was 161B. The wars are still paid for with off budget supplemental appropriations not as part of the defence budget... Obama lied to you... again.

The chart dumbass is not a chart of projections based on the proposed budget it is a chart of ACTUAL deficit numbers. No matter how your left wing hero's try to spin it those are the numbers and they are ALL of the numbers including spending for the wars and katrina.

Also dumbfuck, if you bother to look at the chart you'll notice that OFF Budget spending (which you seem to dislike) has incresed about 20% under Obama from an average of less than 430M under Bush to more than 530M under Obama while reciepts have stayed the same.

And as you can see, ladies and gentlemen, this is where the wheels come off Benny's little neocon propaganda wagon.

Benny hangs onto his little chart by IGNORING what the articles point how...being how the Shrub and company kept the true cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan off the books.

The administration has requested nearly all the money for the war in the form of “emergency” funding, which is not subject to standard budget caps or vigorous scrutiny. Emergency funding is intended for genuine crises, such as Hurricane Katrina, where the utmost speed is required to get the money to the field. The continued use of this emergency procedure—five years after the war began—is budgetary sleight of hand that makes a mockery of a democratic budget process.

Somebody needs to clue Benny in... "off budget" spending is just that.....and when you INCLUDE THAT SPENDING IN IT'S PROPER SLOT, YOU HAVE AN INCREASE IN BUDGET SPENDING. The Shrub DID NOT EVEN INCLUDE COSTS OF THE WARS IN THE STANDARD "OFF BUDGET" SPENDING, as the links I provided pointed out.
Benny ignores this, then like a good little neocon toadie just regurgitates the propaganda.

and once again you only prove what a complete dumbass you are. Nowhere does this article say that emergency suplementals are not included in off budget numbers, it says dumbass, that it's not subject to the same scrutiny and caps you'd have in the normal (on budget) process.

Let me know when you grow a brain.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Has anyone asked Alan Simpson how he feels about withholding Social Security checks to Seniors?

 

[BenNatuf]

BenNatuf, you really can't read and understand the chart? Or are you just kidding?

No, he's serious...Benny's a living example that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" in the hands of willfully ignorant neocon toadies.

the two of you together don't have two brain cells to rub together.

 

[BenNatuf]

and you are the poster child for idiots who can't read a chart. The chart dumbass has the total deficit, the on budget deficit and the off budget SURPLUS. the total deficit including both ON budget and OFF budget items in 2007 was 161B. The wars are still paid for with off budget supplemental appropriations not as part of the defence budget... Obama lied to you... again.

The chart dumbass is not a chart of projections based on the proposed budget it is a chart of ACTUAL deficit numbers. No matter how your left wing hero's try to spin it those are the numbers and they are ALL of the numbers including spending for the wars and katrina.

Also dumbfuck, if you bother to look at the chart you'll notice that OFF Budget spending (which you seem to dislike) has incresed about 20% under Obama from an average of less than 430M under Bush to more than 530M under Obama while reciepts have stayed the same.

Your chart shows "off budget" spending but NOT off budget supplemental appropriations.

Here is the actual national debt for the years you posted earlier. Subtract one year from the next and you get the real deficit for that year including the off budget SUPPLEMENTAL spending. As you can see the deficit for the year you chose in the above post, 2007, was $500 billion, not the $161 billion you claim.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc.
The first fiscal year for the U.S. Government started Jan. 1, 1789. Congress changed the beginning of the fiscal year from Jan. 1 to Jul. 1 in 1842, and finally from Jul. 1 to Oct. 1 in 1977 where it remains today.
To find more historical information, visit The Public Debt Historical Information archives.
Date - Dollar Amount
09/30/2010 - $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 - $10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 - $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 - $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 - $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 - $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 - $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 - $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 - $5,674,178,209,886.86

I find that Benny has an allergic reaction to critical analysis/thinking. You've got patience...I just try to give it to him in the most basic methods, and Benny's not having none of either...so goes the neocon parrot.

Except of course that your reading comprehension skills are regulated by the not quite brain cell you possess.

Suplemental spending is included in the off budget numbers. It's not included in on budget numbers.

 

[BenNatuf]

Table 1.1—SUMMARY OF RECEIPTS, OUTLAYS, AND SURPLUSES OR DEFICITS (&#8722: 1789–2016
(in millions of dollars)
Year Total......................................On-Budget............................Off-Budget
year Gov Receipts Outlays Deficit (&#8722 Receipts Outlays Deficit (&#8722 Receipts Outlays Deficit (&#8722
2001 1,991,082 1,862,846 128,236
2002 1,853,136 2,010,894 -157,758
2003 1,782,314 2,159,899 -377,585
2004 1,880,114 2,292,841 -412,727
2005 2,153,611 2,471,957 -318,346
2006 2,406,869 2,655,050 -248,181
2007 2,567,985 2,728,686 -160,701
2008 2,523,991 2,982,544 -458,553
2009 2,104,989 3,517,677 -1,412,688
2010 2,162,724 3,456,213 -1,293,489

What kind of fucking moron are you? Off budget include ALL off budget spending including supplemental appropriations. You guys and you ignorant assed denial is just plain stupid. You are aware that treasuries outstanding that have matured are still fucking owed aren't you, the money to redeem them is budgetted. You cannot look at the total debt to figure out what the deficit was, to figure the deficit you look at outlays vs reciepts. And the total fucking deficit for 2007 including ALL on and off budget items was 161B. The other 340B has NOTHING whatever to do with outlays or reciepts in 2007. it could be money owed to the government from 2006 that was not paid in 2007, it could be unredeemed trasuries still on the books, it could be a combination of both, neither of which has a damned thing to do with 2007. What it is NOT is any "hidden" spending on any supplemental appropriation, those are INCLUDED in the final deficit number. No matter how much you want to believe otherwize. My god you fucking liberals are stupid.

BULLSHIT!
That $340 billion has everything to do with the debt racked up in 2007. What ever its source it is not part of the budget numbers posted for the 2007 debt, yet it is part of the 2007 debt. So if you don't like the words "off budget" then how about "Off Accountability Deficit?" Whatever you call it it is still a deficit for 2007 and therefore the 2007 deficit was $500 billion and not $161 billion!!!!
Get it?

Oh he got it....he just doesn't like it. So Benny just re-invents things to suit his needs....and ignores what doesn't fit his assertions/beliefs.

Tge problem is that the two of you with your 1.5 brain cells (combined) are just too damned stupid to understand the difference between debt and deficits.

 

[BenNatuf]

Table 1.1—SUMMARY OF RECEIPTS, OUTLAYS, AND SURPLUSES OR DEFICITS (&#8722: 1789–2016
(in millions of dollars)
Year Total......................................On-Budget............................Off-Budget
year Gov Receipts Outlays Deficit (&#8722 Receipts Outlays Deficit (&#8722 Receipts Outlays Deficit (&#8722
2001 1,991,082 1,862,846 128,236
2002 1,853,136 2,010,894 -157,758
2003 1,782,314 2,159,899 -377,585
2004 1,880,114 2,292,841 -412,727
2005 2,153,611 2,471,957 -318,346
2006 2,406,869 2,655,050 -248,181
2007 2,567,985 2,728,686 -160,701
2008 2,523,991 2,982,544 -458,553
2009 2,104,989 3,517,677 -1,412,688
2010 2,162,724 3,456,213 -1,293,489

BULLSHIT!
That $340 billion has everything to do with the debt racked up in 2007. What ever its source it is not part of the budget numbers posted for the 2007 debt, yet it is part of the 2007 debt. So if you don't like the words "off budget" then how about "Off Accountability Deficit?" Whatever you call it it is still a deficit for 2007 and therefore the 2007 deficit was $500 billion and not $161 billion!!!!
Get it?

Oh he got it....he just doesn't like it. So Benny just re-invents things to suit his needs....and ignores what doesn't fit his assertions/beliefs.

The deficit in 2007 was $161 billon.
I could help you with the math, but I doubt you'd understand.

doubt?

why wouold you have any reason to doubt it? It's painfully obvous that he's too damned stupid to understand it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If the the Righty Extremist Fascist portion of the GOP is similar to Benny, America is safe. Folks fall out laughing when reading is silly stuff. Why do you think the far right is backing down from the president. Posture like fools, get their asses kicked, then they cry.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh he got it....he just doesn't like it. So Benny just re-invents things to suit his needs....and ignores what doesn't fit his assertions/beliefs.

The deficit in 2007 was $161 billon.
I could help you with the math, but I doubt you'd understand.

doubt?

why wouold you have any reason to doubt it? It's painfully obvous that he's too damned stupid to understand it.

I haven't known him long enough to know how low into the double digits his IQ sinks.
It's not looking good for him, I have to admit.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The two of you have half the mental computing ability of Taichi. You are here only for grins and chuckles.

 

[Liability]

The two of you have half the mental computing ability of Taichi. You are here only for grins and chuckles.

Bullcrap.

The fact that you agree with tackylib doesn't make him right or smart.

 

[BenNatuf]

The deficit in 2007 was $161 billon.
I could help you with the math, but I doubt you'd understand.

doubt?

why wouold you have any reason to doubt it? It's painfully obvous that he's too damned stupid to understand it.

I haven't known him long enough to know how low into the double digits his IQ sinks.
It's not looking good for him, I have to admit.

double digits?

You may be giving him to much credit.

 

[BenNatuf]

The two of you have half the mental computing ability of Taichi. You are here only for grins and chuckles.

Bullcrap.

The fact that you agree with tackylib doesn't make him right or smart.

Fakey agreeing with anyone automatically subtracts 20 points from their IQ, for Tacky... thats a real problem... he's done run out of numbers!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Benny is nothing more than a Righty Extremist Fascist that is drowning the entire right wing of the GOP. He offers nothing that makes sense except from a corporatist perspective. Of course he is a fascist corporatist. America is on to the paucity of these losers from history and is enjoying watching the President toying with them. BHO is made an ass of McConnell, and he is waiting for the RFEs to blink. If they don't, he gets to blame the entire GOP for their intransigence. My Republican Party is partially in the hands of loons.

 

[edthecynic]

Your chart shows "off budget" spending but NOT off budget supplemental appropriations.

Here is the actual national debt for the years you posted earlier. Subtract one year from the next and you get the real deficit for that year including the off budget SUPPLEMENTAL spending. As you can see the deficit for the year you chose in the above post, 2007, was $500 billion, not the $161 billion you claim.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010
Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc.
The first fiscal year for the U.S. Government started Jan. 1, 1789. Congress changed the beginning of the fiscal year from Jan. 1 to Jul. 1 in 1842, and finally from Jul. 1 to Oct. 1 in 1977 where it remains today.
To find more historical information, visit The Public Debt Historical Information archives.
Date - Dollar Amount
09/30/2010 - $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 - $11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 - $10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 - $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 - $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 - $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 - $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 - $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 - $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 - $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 - $5,674,178,209,886.86

I find that Benny has an allergic reaction to critical analysis/thinking. You've got patience...I just try to give it to him in the most basic methods, and Benny's not having none of either...so goes the neocon parrot.

Except of course that your reading comprehension skills are regulated by the not quite brain cell you possess.

Suplemental spending is included in the off budget numbers. It's not included in on budget numbers.

BULLSHIT! It is not included anywhere in the budget.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Benny lies through his teeth. Again. Laughable.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I find that Benny has an allergic reaction to critical analysis/thinking. You've got patience...I just try to give it to him in the most basic methods, and Benny's not having none of either...so goes the neocon parrot.

Except of course that your reading comprehension skills are regulated by the not quite brain cell you possess.

Suplemental spending is included in the off budget numbers. It's not included in on budget numbers.

BULLSHIT! It is not included anywhere in the budget.

All you need to do is show the on budget spending and the off budget spending and the supplemental spending and show that the deficit increased by more than the combination of the on and off budget numbers.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It is not included in the budget. Quit lying.

 

[appleannie1]

Fmr. GOP Sen. Alan Simpson Calls Republican Refusal To Raise Revenue ‘Absolute Bullshit’

Former GOP Sen. Alan Simpson blasted his intransigent GOP colleagues on the Hill today for failing to reach a deal on the deficit. The blunt-talking co-chairman of President Obama’s bipartisan fiscal reform commission slammed Republicans for kowtowing to Americans for Tax Reform head Grover Norquist (“Republicans can’t be in thrall to him”) and pushed Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner to stand fast on the August 2 deadline.

Surveying the lay of the current fiscal land, Simpson said, “We’re at 15 percent revenue, and historically it’s been closer to 20 percent.”

He added, “We’ve never had a war without a tax, and now we’ve got two. … Absolute bullshit.”

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And he is absolutely right. Can anyone here name a war that was not paid for by taxes? The war in Iraq put us completely in the hole because instead of raising taxes to pay for it, he lowered taxes. He arrived in office with a surplus and left with an economy on the brink of a total depression and a deficit the likes of which this country had never seen before.

 

[edthecynic]

Except of course that your reading comprehension skills are regulated by the not quite brain cell you possess.

Suplemental spending is included in the off budget numbers. It's not included in on budget numbers.

BULLSHIT! It is not included anywhere in the budget.

All you need to do is show the on budget spending and the off budget spending and the supplemental spending and show that the deficit increased by more than the combination of the on and off budget numbers.

I already showed that the 2007 deficit had 340 billion in deficit spending that was not accounted for in the 161 billion deficit you claimed. The burden of proof is on you to show that the supplemental spending was included in Bush's deficit numbers, all you did was pontificate that it was in the off budget numbers.