America Was Built on Natural Law

[JakeStarkey]

Total bullshit
Slavery was a particular southern institution having nothing to do with the Democratic Party
It was driven by an expansion of King Cotton that demanded cheap labor to process it

Tell that to Frederick Douglas.

Slavery was a function of economics and extreme southern racism

That is a Marxist belief. The roots of racism

It is also a capitalist belief, dingle. Markets in search of cheap products and cheap labor. Southern conservative Democrats and Whigs were racist, 90% of the Southern economy depended on cotton directly or indirectly, and black chattel slavery was the economic engine that drove it. Southern Baptists and Methodists split from the national organizations over the issue and gave slavery religious cover.

You have no idea exactly what is Marxist theory or economic functions. You use terms you clearly don't understand. And when you get called out where you are clearly wrong you attack personality. What is wrong with you?

Let me clarify.... that is a marxist argument.

Only in your weevily head, silly.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Baptist Church enforced slavery in the South telling slaves the bible says you must serve your master

Is that so?

If the Bible says it is so

I see. No slavery before the Bible?

The Bible was subverted by southern racists and was selectively read to slaves to tell them that slavery was their lot in life and that the Bible says they must be loyal to their masters. One of the reasons they made it illegal to teach slaves to read

As to the "Good Book"....it is proof that a loving God does not exist
Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and they endured endless suffering. But when Moses went up that mountain to receive the ten commandments, God could not find room to say....Slavery is a sin

I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about the Bible. Our God is a tough love kind of God.

Your God is a devil and not the Lord Jesus Christ. Be gone.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Total bullshit
Slavery was a particular southern institution having nothing to do with the Democratic Party
It was driven by an expansion of King Cotton that demanded cheap labor to process it

Tell that to Frederick Douglas.

Slavery was a function of economics and extreme southern racism

That is a Marxist belief. The roots of racism

It is also a capitalist belief, dingle. Markets in search of cheap products and cheap labor. Southern conservative Democrats and Whigs were racist, 90% of the Southern economy depended on cotton directly or indirectly, and black chattel slavery was the economic engine that drove it. Southern Baptists and Methodists split from the national organizations over the issue and gave slavery religious cover.

You have no idea exactly what is Marxist theory or economic functions. You use terms you clearly don't understand. And when you get called out where you are clearly wrong you attack personality. What is wrong with you?

Hey, Jake, you sell any body parts from babies lately? That would be an example of something that was against the natural law. The Senate Report on Planned Parenthood No One Is Talking About

So you do support slavery. You have no idea what is Marxism. You understand not economics.

You are an utter puffed up fool.

 

[ding]

Tell that to Frederick Douglas.

Slavery was a function of economics and extreme southern racism

That is a Marxist belief. The roots of racism

It is also a capitalist belief, dingle. Markets in search of cheap products and cheap labor. Southern conservative Democrats and Whigs were racist, 90% of the Southern economy depended on cotton directly or indirectly, and black chattel slavery was the economic engine that drove it. Southern Baptists and Methodists split from the national organizations over the issue and gave slavery religious cover.

You have no idea exactly what is Marxist theory or economic functions. You use terms you clearly don't understand. And when you get called out where you are clearly wrong you attack personality. What is wrong with you?

Hey, Jake, you sell any body parts from babies lately? That would be an example of something that was against the natural law. The Senate Report on Planned Parenthood No One Is Talking About

So you do support slavery. You have no idea what is Marxism. You understand not economics.

You are an utter puffed up fool.

Tell that to Frederick Douglas.

Slavery was a function of economics and extreme southern racism

That is a Marxist belief. The roots of racism

It is also a capitalist belief, dingle. Markets in search of cheap products and cheap labor. Southern conservative Democrats and Whigs were racist, 90% of the Southern economy depended on cotton directly or indirectly, and black chattel slavery was the economic engine that drove it. Southern Baptists and Methodists split from the national organizations over the issue and gave slavery religious cover.

You have no idea exactly what is Marxist theory or economic functions. You use terms you clearly don't understand. And when you get called out where you are clearly wrong you attack personality. What is wrong with you?

Let me clarify.... that is a marxist argument.

Only in your weevily head, silly.

B1

 

[ding]

Tell that to Frederick Douglas.

Slavery was a function of economics and extreme southern racism

That is a Marxist belief. The roots of racism

It is also a capitalist belief, dingle. Markets in search of cheap products and cheap labor. Southern conservative Democrats and Whigs were racist, 90% of the Southern economy depended on cotton directly or indirectly, and black chattel slavery was the economic engine that drove it. Southern Baptists and Methodists split from the national organizations over the issue and gave slavery religious cover.

You have no idea exactly what is Marxist theory or economic functions. You use terms you clearly don't understand. And when you get called out where you are clearly wrong you attack personality. What is wrong with you?

Hey, Jake, you sell any body parts from babies lately? That would be an example of something that was against the natural law. The Senate Report on Planned Parenthood No One Is Talking About

So you do support slavery. You have no idea what is Marxism. You understand not economics.

You are an utter puffed up fool.

B2

 

[ding]

Tell that to Frederick Douglas.

Slavery was a function of economics and extreme southern racism

That is a Marxist belief. The roots of racism

It is also a capitalist belief, dingle. Markets in search of cheap products and cheap labor. Southern conservative Democrats and Whigs were racist, 90% of the Southern economy depended on cotton directly or indirectly, and black chattel slavery was the economic engine that drove it. Southern Baptists and Methodists split from the national organizations over the issue and gave slavery religious cover.

You have no idea exactly what is Marxist theory or economic functions. You use terms you clearly don't understand. And when you get called out where you are clearly wrong you attack personality. What is wrong with you?

Hey, Jake, you sell any body parts from babies lately? That would be an example of something that was against the natural law. The Senate Report on Planned Parenthood No One Is Talking About

So you do support slavery. You have no idea what is Marxism. You understand not economics.

You are an utter puffed up fool.

B3. I sunk your battleship. Winning!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ding, having been corrected publicly and privately last tonight and today, now unravels before us all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oxford Dictionary

nat·u·ral law
/ˈnætʃ(ə)rəl lɔ/
noun

• 1.a body of unchanging moral principles regarded as a basis for all human conduct.
• 2.an observable law relating to natural phenomena:"the natural laws of perspective"

freedictionary

divine law

Noun 1. divine law - a law that is believed to come directly from God
natural law, law - a rule or body of rules of conduct inherent in humannature and essential to or binding upon human society

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ding would have us believe the Constitution was a fulfillment of Natural or Divine Law.

However, it empowered Slavery, and made it impossible for the country to escape its foul curse except by civil war terrible. And then it required cheating etc to get the 13th Amendment ratified to end it forever.

Some say Alexander Stephens, a Vice President of the Confederacy and author of the CornerStone Speech that ennobled slavery as the cause of the civil war and the glory of the South, was a Founder.

Oh, my.

 

[JQPublic1]

America Was Built on Natural Law
As our forefathers sought to build “one nation under God,” they purposely established their legal codes on the foundation of Natural Law. They believed that societies should be governed, as Jefferson put it, by “the moral law to which man has been subjected by his Creator, and of which his feelings, or conscience as it is sometimes called, are the evidence with which his Creator has furnished him. The moral duties which exist between individual and individual in a state of nature accompany them into a state of society,… their Maker not having released them from those duties on their forming themselves into a nation.” (Writings of Thomas Jefferson, 3:228)

Throughout the first century of US. history, natural law was upheld as a key principle of government by the American people and their leader, not only by Presidents and the Congress, but also by the Supreme Court.

In the view of the Court, its members were to decide cases by exercising “that understanding which Providence has bestowed upon them.” (Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1, 186-87, 1824). Since the laws they adjudicated were based on “the preexisting and higher authority of the laws of nature,” (The West River Bridge Company v. Joseph Dix, 47 U.S. 507, 532, 1848), they relied less on judicial precedent than on “eternal justice as it comes from intelligence… to guide the conscience of the Court.” (Rhode Island v. Massachusetts, 39 U.S. 210, 225, 1840).

Cicero defines Natural Law as “true law.” “True law is right reason in agreement with nature; it is of universal application, unchanging and everlasting; it summons to duty by its commands, and averts from wrongdoing by its prohibitions…. It is a sin to try to alter this law, nor is it allowable to repeal any part of it, and it is impossible to abolish entirely. We cannot be freed from its obligations by senate or people, and we need not look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of it. And there will not be different laws at Rome and Athens, or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal and unchangeable law will be valid for all nations and all times, and there will be one master and ruler, that is God, over us all, for he is the author of this law, its promulgator, and its enforcing judge. Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature, and by reason of this very fact he will suffer the worst punishment.” (The Five thousand Year Leap, p. 40)

In 1764, Massachusetts patriot James Otis defined Natural Law as “the rules of moral conduct implanted by nature in the human mind, forming the proper basis for and being superior to all written laws; the will of God revealed to man through his conscience.” (Annals of America, 2:11)

Natural Law: The Basis of Moral Government - National Center for Constitutional Studies

“The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature of man infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction…the moral law, called also the law of nature.” (Sir Edward Coke, Calvin’s Case in The Selected Writings and Speeches of Sir Edward Coke)

“…as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should, in all points, conform to his Maker's will. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature...This law of nature...dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority...from this original. "Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these." (William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Law 1723-1780)

“Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine…Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.” (James Wilson “Of the General Principles of Law and Obligation”, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Signed U.S. Constitution)

Natural Law? Isn't that the law of the jungle? Survival of the fittest?

 

[ding]

Ding, having been corrected publicly and privately last tonight and today, now unravels before us all.

I don't see it that way, Jake. It's called tolling the troll. Winning.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ding, having been corrected publicly and privately last tonight and today, now unravels before us all.

I don't see it that way, Jake. It's called tolling the troll. Winning.

 

[Mudda]

America Was Built on Natural Law
As our forefathers sought to build “one nation under God,” they purposely established their legal codes on the foundation of Natural Law. They believed that societies should be governed, as Jefferson put it, by “the moral law to which man has been subjected by his Creator, and of which his feelings, or conscience as it is sometimes called, are the evidence with which his Creator has furnished him. The moral duties which exist between individual and individual in a state of nature accompany them into a state of society,… their Maker not having released them from those duties on their forming themselves into a nation.” (Writings of Thomas Jefferson, 3:228)

Throughout the first century of US. history, natural law was upheld as a key principle of government by the American people and their leader, not only by Presidents and the Congress, but also by the Supreme Court.

In the view of the Court, its members were to decide cases by exercising “that understanding which Providence has bestowed upon them.” (Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1, 186-87, 1824). Since the laws they adjudicated were based on “the preexisting and higher authority of the laws of nature,” (The West River Bridge Company v. Joseph Dix, 47 U.S. 507, 532, 1848), they relied less on judicial precedent than on “eternal justice as it comes from intelligence… to guide the conscience of the Court.” (Rhode Island v. Massachusetts, 39 U.S. 210, 225, 1840).

Cicero defines Natural Law as “true law.” “True law is right reason in agreement with nature; it is of universal application, unchanging and everlasting; it summons to duty by its commands, and averts from wrongdoing by its prohibitions…. It is a sin to try to alter this law, nor is it allowable to repeal any part of it, and it is impossible to abolish entirely. We cannot be freed from its obligations by senate or people, and we need not look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of it. And there will not be different laws at Rome and Athens, or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal and unchangeable law will be valid for all nations and all times, and there will be one master and ruler, that is God, over us all, for he is the author of this law, its promulgator, and its enforcing judge. Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature, and by reason of this very fact he will suffer the worst punishment.” (The Five thousand Year Leap, p. 40)

In 1764, Massachusetts patriot James Otis defined Natural Law as “the rules of moral conduct implanted by nature in the human mind, forming the proper basis for and being superior to all written laws; the will of God revealed to man through his conscience.” (Annals of America, 2:11)

Natural Law: The Basis of Moral Government - National Center for Constitutional Studies

“The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature of man infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction…the moral law, called also the law of nature.” (Sir Edward Coke, Calvin’s Case in The Selected Writings and Speeches of Sir Edward Coke)

“…as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should, in all points, conform to his Maker's will. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature...This law of nature...dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority...from this original. "Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these." (William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Law 1723-1780)

“Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine…Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.” (James Wilson “Of the General Principles of Law and Obligation”, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Signed U.S. Constitution)

The FFs didn't even think that ordinary citizens could be trusted to vote directly for the President so they invented the Electoral College.

 

[hobelim]

America Was Built on Natural Law
As our forefathers sought to build “one nation under God,” they purposely established their legal codes on the foundation of Natural Law. They believed that societies should be governed, as Jefferson put it, by “the moral law to which man has been subjected by his Creator, and of which his feelings, or conscience as it is sometimes called, are the evidence with which his Creator has furnished him. The moral duties which exist between individual and individual in a state of nature accompany them into a state of society,… their Maker not having released them from those duties on their forming themselves into a nation.” (Writings of Thomas Jefferson, 3:228)

Throughout the first century of US. history, natural law was upheld as a key principle of government by the American people and their leader, not only by Presidents and the Congress, but also by the Supreme Court.

In the view of the Court, its members were to decide cases by exercising “that understanding which Providence has bestowed upon them.” (Gibbons v. Ogden, 22 U.S. 1, 186-87, 1824). Since the laws they adjudicated were based on “the preexisting and higher authority of the laws of nature,” (The West River Bridge Company v. Joseph Dix, 47 U.S. 507, 532, 1848), they relied less on judicial precedent than on “eternal justice as it comes from intelligence… to guide the conscience of the Court.” (Rhode Island v. Massachusetts, 39 U.S. 210, 225, 1840).

Cicero defines Natural Law as “true law.” “True law is right reason in agreement with nature; it is of universal application, unchanging and everlasting; it summons to duty by its commands, and averts from wrongdoing by its prohibitions…. It is a sin to try to alter this law, nor is it allowable to repeal any part of it, and it is impossible to abolish entirely. We cannot be freed from its obligations by senate or people, and we need not look outside ourselves for an expounder or interpreter of it. And there will not be different laws at Rome and Athens, or different laws now and in the future, but one eternal and unchangeable law will be valid for all nations and all times, and there will be one master and ruler, that is God, over us all, for he is the author of this law, its promulgator, and its enforcing judge. Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature, and by reason of this very fact he will suffer the worst punishment.” (The Five thousand Year Leap, p. 40)

In 1764, Massachusetts patriot James Otis defined Natural Law as “the rules of moral conduct implanted by nature in the human mind, forming the proper basis for and being superior to all written laws; the will of God revealed to man through his conscience.” (Annals of America, 2:11)

Natural Law: The Basis of Moral Government - National Center for Constitutional Studies

“The law of nature is that which God at the time of creation of the nature of man infused into his heart, for his preservation and direction…the moral law, called also the law of nature.” (Sir Edward Coke, Calvin’s Case in The Selected Writings and Speeches of Sir Edward Coke)

“…as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should, in all points, conform to his Maker's will. This will of his Maker is called the law of nature...This law of nature...dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority...from this original. "Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these." (William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Law 1723-1780)

“Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine…Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants.” (James Wilson “Of the General Principles of Law and Obligation”, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Signed U.S. Constitution)

The FFs didn't even think that ordinary citizens could be trusted to vote directly for the President so they invented the Electoral College.

Now even they can't be trusted.


the country has become an Idiocracy

 

[rightwinger]

The Baptist Church enforced slavery in the South telling slaves the bible says you must serve your master

Is that so?

If the Bible says it is so

I see. No slavery before the Bible?

The Bible was subverted by southern racists and was selectively read to slaves to tell them that slavery was their lot in life and that the Bible says they must be loyal to their masters. One of the reasons they made it illegal to teach slaves to read

As to the "Good Book"....it is proof that a loving God does not exist
Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and they endured endless suffering. But when Moses went up that mountain to receive the ten commandments, God could not find room to say....Slavery is a sin

I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about the Bible. Our God is a tough love kind of God.

Slavery is "tough love"?

 

[Mudda]

Slavery is "tough love"?

We saved them from Africa, taught them civilization and then set them free. That's gotta count for something.

 

[rightwinger]

Slavery is "tough love"?

We saved them from Africa, taught them civilization and then set them free. That's gotta count for something.

We gave them Obamaphones

 

[ding]

Is that so?

If the Bible says it is so

I see. No slavery before the Bible?

The Bible was subverted by southern racists and was selectively read to slaves to tell them that slavery was their lot in life and that the Bible says they must be loyal to their masters. One of the reasons they made it illegal to teach slaves to read

As to the "Good Book"....it is proof that a loving God does not exist
Moses led the Hebrews out of slavery and they endured endless suffering. But when Moses went up that mountain to receive the ten commandments, God could not find room to say....Slavery is a sin

I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about the Bible. Our God is a tough love kind of God.

Slavery is "tough love"?

Lol, no you moron, His pruning of you is.