Americans got screwed

[Annie]

Excuse me? You and Wade are both WAY off base.

France from 1973-1990 13%
USA from 1973-1990 1%

Jim, same graphic I was looking to link to, but can't read! Can you help?

 

[jimnyc]

Jim, same graphic I was looking to link to, but can't read! Can you help?

What do you mean you can't read it? What browser are you using? Try saving the picture to your machine and then open it. Some browsers will only open some pictures at a reduced percentage and you'll need to bring it back to 100%, it's just easier to save it if you are having trouble.

 

[Annie]

What do you mean you can't read it? What browser are you using? Try saving the picture to your machine and then open it. Some browsers will only open some pictures at a reduced percentage and you'll need to bring it back to 100%, it's just easier to save it if you are having trouble.

Thanks.

 

[wade]

Wade..et al...That spew, the "we gave him the weapons" crap.

Let's say your neighbor comes by one day and says...I hear noises outside my house
at night, I think I have prowler, I afraid they'll come in, what should I do?

Wade says..well don't you have a gun? No I don't, says the neighbor.
Well look says wade, I have a couple take this one for protection.
Sure thanks and the neighbor goes home.

A year later the neighbor goes nuts and starts shooting people from the house.

What should Wade do? After all Wade DID give the gun
to his neighbor. Should he sit and just watch?

Ummm no. Your example is flawed. Let me fix it for you...

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Let's say Mr. P has an aquaintance, Mr. Saddam, who lives across town, comes by one day and says... "my neighbor Mr. Iothola has a gun and I'm afraid?"

Mr. P knows that Mr. Saddam beats his family, and has killed more than a few of them, espeically his daughters. Furthermore he knows that Mr. Saddam has his eyes on his neighbors sheep pen which is just across the fence between their properties, because that neighbor started refusing to sell sheep to Mr. P a few years back.

But Mr P says..well don't you have a gun? Mr. Saddam says "sure I do, but it's the same type of gun my neighbor has, and he has more sons than I do.

So Mr. P says "How about I give you some grenades and a flame thrower?". Mr. Saddam says sure - I will pay you in sheep soon and winks. Mr. P winks back.

A few weeks later Mr. P reads that Mr. Saddams kids have thrown some grenades over the fence and used a flamethrower on Mr. Iothola's sons while trying to steal Mr. Saddams sheep pen, but Mr. Iothola's sons fought off Mr. P's sons who didn't get the sheep pen. Several sons on both sides died in the fight.

Mr. P sends Mr. Saddam another crate of grenades and another flame thrower.

A year later Mr. Saddam "goes nuts" and uses the flamethrower to kill three of his daughters.

Mr. P responds by sending Mr. Saddam another crate of grenades.

Two years later Mr. Saddam looks over the fence at his other neighbor, Mr. Sabah's land and notices a well he would like. Mr Sabah does not even have any guns and few sons - so Mr. Sadam decides to use some genades to take the well.

Mr. P, who is business partner with Mr. Sabah, now decides to get involved and using his grenades, mortars, and bazookas, drives Mr. Saddam off Mr. Sabah's land.

Mr. Saddam sends one of his sons to throw a grenade through Mr. P's window, but Mr. P survives.

Now Mr. P is up in arms, writes to the newspaper about what an evil person Mr. Saddam is. How he uses flame throwers against his neighbors and even his own children. How he is a threat to the community.

The community agrees and issues a demand to Mr. Saddam that he dispose of his Flame thowers. Mr. Saddam does so, but does not document it well enough for Mr. P. The community sends in inspectors to search Mr. Saddams property for flame throwers but they cannot find any.

This is not good enough for Mr. P. He insists that Mr. Saddam and his sons be thrown in jail and his daughters be given his property (Mr. P has lots of rich sons). Mr. P says that he "knows for a fact that Mr. Saddam has flame throwers". Most of the community will not listen, as they know full well who gave Mr. Saddam his flame throwers in the first place and they know that Mr. P's sons have their eyes on Mr. Saddams daughters, but a few, such as Mr. Blair, are willing to go along with Mr. P.

So Mr. P gets together with Mr. Blair and what few members of the community will go with him, drives down to Mr. Saddams, kills his sons and throws Mr. Saddam in his own jail, and chooses which of Saddams daughters (those that seem most likely to sleep with Mr. P's sons) will now own Mr. Saddams land.

The community is up in arms about the vigilante action. Furthermore, Mr. P cannot find any sign of any flame throwers on Mr. Saddams property. He now justifies his actions saying "It was never about flame throwers, Look at all the bad things he did to his own daughters. We did this for the good of Mr. Saddams daughters".

Now - what do you call Mr. P?

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Wade.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The soul of wit is brevity.

 

[wade]

The heart of ignorance is over-simplification.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The heart of ignorance is over-simplification.

IRan and Iraq were both world superpower pawns. I know you wanted soviet influence to dominate the region, right commie? Have I mentioned that socialism is a very flawed and destructive economic system?

 

[Mr. P]

Now - what do you call Mr. P?

Wade.

A wise man that thinks you're an IDIOT, or very young,
as you can't even follow the analogy. Funny how common that is with liberals and Idiots.

 

[wade]

A wise man that thinks you're an IDIOT, or very young,
as you can't even follow the analogy. Funny how common that is with liberals and Idiots.

I could follow the analogy, but it was horribly wrong, so I fixed it.

Your analogy implied that we had no idea what kind of a lunatic we were giving WMD's to. That is totally false, we have full knowlege well in advance.

Funny how common it is right-winger's to have medicore intelects and live in a constant state of self serving denial.

Wade.

 

[wade]

IRan and Iraq were both world superpower pawns. I know you wanted soviet influence to dominate the region, right commie? Have I mentioned that socialism is a very flawed and destructive economic system?

Don't be stupid RWA. I know it's hard for you but please try.


Yes, socialism is destructive if taken too far.

But the same is true for unregulated capitalism.

As I've pointed out before, the quality of life in the USA has generally declined over the past 25-35 years, not improved. When I was a kid, one income families were the middle-class norm. Today, they are a rarity. That is a compelling example of just what unregulated capitalism has done to the USA - it has effectively destroyed the fundimental social unit - the family.

 

[jimnyc]

I'm curious as to why neither Wade nor Padisha Emperor have replied about the proof provided in regards to arms sales to Iraq from 1973-1990. Maybe I missed the direct reply to my post, and if so I apologize, but it seems it went ignored a second time.

Bottom line - France was second only to Russia in supplying arms to Iraq. The USA was a distant 11th with an extremely small percentage.

I guess I wouldn't reply either if my comments were completely blown out of the water.

 

[wade]

I'm curious as to why neither Wade nor Padisha Emperor have replied about the proof provided in regards to arms sales to Iraq from 1973-1990. Maybe I missed the direct reply to my post, and if so I apologize, but it seems it went ignored a second time.

Bottom line - France was second only to Russia in supplying arms to Iraq. The USA was a distant 11th with an extremely small percentage.

I guess I wouldn't reply either if my comments were completely blown out of the water.

What does it matter? Everyone was selling Iraq arms during that period. Hell, the USA was even giving him nerve gas and biological agents and helping him setup labs so he could make his own!

Sorry if I missed your post (I did) but this thread got a lot of posts over a short time and I'm too busy to check it frequently enough to keep up.

Wade.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Don't be stupid RWA. I know it's hard for you but please try.


Yes, socialism is destructive if taken too far.

But the same is true for unregulated capitalism.



As I've pointed out before, the quality of life in the USA has generally declined over the past 25-35 years, not improved. When I was a kid, one income families were the middle-class norm. Today, they are a rarity. That is a compelling example of just what unregulated capitalism has done to the USA - it has effectively destroyed the fundimental social unit - the family.

we're far from unregulated capitalism. The economy is good, despite the sky is falling propaganda of the left. Quit it.
We're taxed to death, and libs try to destroy families. family values are mocked and maligned as right wing hate speech.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Hey wade. What do you mean by regulated capitalism exactly? Either you have the freedom to start a business, employ others, provide a good or service, advertise it and keep your profits or you don't. Are you talking about corporate tax rates, personal income tax rates, minimum wage laws, osha regulations?

 

[Mr. P]

I could follow the analogy, but it was horribly wrong, so I fixed it.

Your analogy implied that we had no idea what kind of a lunatic we were giving WMD's to. That is totally false, we have full knowlege well in advance.

Funny how common it is right-winger's to have medicore intelects and live in a constant state of self serving denial.

Wade.

Hey! I liked the part about being a Wal-mart greeter..why'd ya edit it?
Feelin like an Idiot, maybe?

 

[jimnyc]

What does it matter? Everyone was selling Iraq arms during that period. Hell, the USA was even giving him nerve gas and biological agents and helping him setup labs so he could make his own!

Sorry if I missed your post (I did) but this thread got a lot of posts over a short time and I'm too busy to check it frequently enough to keep up.

Wade.

Because Padisha stated:

Wade answer for me.
USA sold so much more weapons to Saddam than France.

And you stated:

That argument might hold up if it were not the USA who gave Saddam most of his WMD's and capabilities to build them.

The impartial findings on who sold the majority of arms to Iraq is a direct rebuttal to those remarks. More so to Padisha who I think truly believes France was an innocent observer throughout the years.

I just wanted this to be clear, especially in light of the news that came out a long while back about France's supposed deals for oil with Iraq. For France to act so innocent and badmouth the USA for fighting this war is hysterical, although they might have rethought their decision making process had someone bribed them.

 

[wade]

we're far from unregulated capitalism. The economy is good, despite the sky is falling propaganda of the left. Quit it.
We're taxed to death, and libs try to destroy families. family values are mocked and maligned as right wing hate speech.

"Far from unregulated capitalism" - you prove you don't know what your talking about with that statement. There is very limited weak regulation within the USA, and almost no regulation internationally.

Explain to me how the "libs" are trying to destroy families and how the policies of the right support "family values".

Wade.

 

[wade]

Jimny,

You play the game of deception through selective information. You choose only to look at a relatively small slice of time, rather than the whole. You wish only to look at the post-Gulf War period, and sure enough, doing so your argument is valid. But that is hardly the whole story. You also wish to deny the period prior to the Gulf War, when the USA gave/sold huge amounts of military equipment to Saddam, including WMD's and the technology to build WMD's.

BTW: I'm not in any way defending France. To me they are a dispicable bunch of hippocrits who pretented to be enlightened when in fact all the evidence disputes this contention.

Wade.

 

[dilloduck]

Jimny,

You play the game of deception through selective information. You choose only to look at a relatively small slice of time, rather than the whole. You wish only to look at the post-Gulf War period, and sure enough, doing so your argument is valid. But that is hardly the whole story. You also wish to deny the period prior to the Gulf War, when the USA gave/sold huge amounts of military equipment to Saddam, including WMD's and the technology to build WMD's.

BTW: I'm not in any way defending France. To me they are a dispicable bunch of hippocrits who pretented to be enlightened when in fact all the evidence disputes this contention.

Wade.

Wade--we're way past all that
The goal NOW is to help Iraq begin it's march toward democracy. Re-hash all the old "facts" you want but your gonna miss history in the making. The Iraqis' don't give a damn why we decided to oust Saddam. They are just glad we did!!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Jimny,

You play the game of deception through selective information. You choose only to look at a relatively small slice of time, rather than the whole. You wish only to look at the post-Gulf War period, and sure enough, doing so your argument is valid. But that is hardly the whole story. You also wish to deny the period prior to the Gulf War, when the USA gave/sold huge amounts of military equipment to Saddam, including WMD's and the technology to build WMD's.

BTW: I'm not in any way defending France. To me they are a dispicable bunch of hippocrits who pretented to be enlightened when in fact all the evidence disputes this contention.

Wade.

Wade, I dealt with that aspect. THe whole region was being armed by superpowers pursuing larger global goals. In context it makes sense; we did what was necessary to keep unfavorable influences out of the region. Context, wade, context.