Among other things, here is what a vote for the trump/Vance ticket represents.

[Billo_Really]

Even Dem idiots say you are an idiot.

Trump doesn't know the difference between Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi!

 

[Couchpotato]

There's no such thing as the popular vote. No popular vote election, campaign, campaign ads, strategy, nothing. Nobody knows who may have won a popular vote election if there had been one. It's like claiming the Chiefs would have beat the Steelers in a game that never took place.

No. No matter what the rules of the game are the participants will play it the same way no matter what.........

 

[Foolardi]

I give you the last Trump term as proof.

If someone came to you and said I have a plan to overthrow the power structure in the US and make myself a dictator and then told you

Im going to get elected President, Im going to foment unrest all over the country at the same time there is a global pandemic, BUT Im going to allow the election to proceed, one in which Im behind in all the polling the entire time, then Im going to lose that election, tell everyone that I didnt, then instigate an "insurrection" that will have no path to keeping me in power, when that "fails" I'll leave office, THEN after the person I lose to serves his term I'll get reelected and THEN, THEN I'll overthrow the Government and institute my authoritarian rule.

You'd look at that person and tell them they were an idiot. If you're intent is to become an authoritarian why not do it when the Pandemic is happening and everyone on the opposing side politically from you is begging you to be more authoritarian? Why wouldn't you use the pandemic, all the protests/civil unrest as a predicate to do this? You cant fear monger about what Trump will be like as President anymore, he's already been President. If his intent was to do all these things why would he wait? There's a much proof Biden plans to do all those things as there is that Trump is.

Not so fast.Biden like Schumer is a Career Pol.Like Schumer
never worked a week in the Private sector.
Biden has a history of being a very aggressive and snooty
Pol who enjoys mocking his rivals.Like SCOTUS Nominee
Judge Robert Bork and also Clarence Thomas.
Trump was entirely new to Politics in 2015.
He gave to candidates of Both Political Parties.
That includes Schumer.
Trump had no choice but to learn Politcs from the
ground up.But Trump enjoys a challenge.
Biden does not.Biden Lives to mock and deride challenges.
Therein lies the manifest difference.

 

[DStar777]

There are not two factual sides to the story.

This is your claim, correct?

A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

a) Was Trump plotting to steal a legitimate election?
or..
b) was he disputing the results because of election fraud by Democrats?

Where are your facts proving a) and disproving b) ???

You have none.

 

[Couchpotato]

Trump doesn't know the difference between Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi!

Is there much of a difference?

Biden doesnt know the name of the Sec of Def he appointed.... He's "the black man"....

 

[Foolardi]

No. No matter what the rules of the game are the participants will play it the same way no matter what.........

Voting is not Playing.One does not or should Not go
to the voting both in order to play.
Where did you drudge-up that inanity.

 

[berg80]

You go with obama's mandate to destroy the republic.

I'm going with Obama having won large majorities twice, two more times than trump.

 

[berg80]

This is your claim, correct?

a) Was Trump plotting to steal a legitimate election?
or..
b) was he disputing the results because of election fraud by Democrats?

Where are your facts proving a) and disproving b) ???

You have none.

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

Here's a link to the Eastman memo. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf

I'm hoping not to get bogged down by folks who will not accept this meeting actually did take place. If you can't accept that it did this would be a good jumping off point for you.

Moving on, we come to the matter of Jeffrey Clark. You may or may not recall trump wanted to name him acting AG in order to use the influence of the DoJ to pursue baseless claims of massive voter fraud, specifically in GA. When some of the top DoJ officials heard of trump's desire they threatened to quit en masse if he promoted Clark.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would affect the state’s election results.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials (Published 2022)​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would...

www.nytimes.com

Former DOJ officials detail threatening to resign en masse in meeting with Trump​

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107...ail-threatening-resign-en-masse-trump-meeting

Finally, we come to trump's participation in the fake elector scheme.

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

The most comprehensive factual record of former President Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme.

www.justsecurity.org

Overwhelming documentary and testimonial evidence proves beyond any doubt these things I've outlined happened. All of which with one goal in mind. To create a scenario leading to trump remaining in power.

 

[MagicMike]

Trump intends to steal the presidency by the nefarious plot of having people vote for him.

Everytime he tries that though a lot LESS people wind up voring fir him than for the other candidate.

The national vote is the enemy of democrats.

Actually not true. It gave us a win in 2018, 2020, and another one in 2022 when Republicans suffered the biggest rout for the party out of power in a midterm election in decades.

That's why they have to destroy the republic.

Projection.

 

[Couchpotato]

Voting is not Playing.One does not or should Not go
to the voting both in order to play.
Where did you drudge-up that inanity.

Are you really this dumb or just being obtuse?

 

[Clipper]

How does one Ride an escalator.?
The way Biden probably would have been much more
comfy using a walker as Potus.Considering his athleticism
riding a bicycle.!

When has Trump ever unloaded his lardass off a golf cart to walk a couple holes?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

​

Biden campaign: J.D. Vance would do what Pence wouldn't on Jan. 6​

Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), former President Trump's new running mate, told ABC News in February that he would not have certified the 2020 election on Jan. 6 had he been vice president instead of Mike Pence.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/15/jd-vance-january-6-pence-trump

The Eastman memo is universally recognized as an unconstitutional theory whereby the VP exceeds his authority, refusing to maintain the tradition of peacefully transferring power to the new prez.

Trump's 'Eastman Memo' Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President​

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January 6 scenario" under which Trump could seek to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, which he lost to Joe Biden.

Authored by conservative law professor John Eastman, the "Eastman Memo," as it has been dubbed in the press, argued that Vice President Mike Pence, while presiding over the joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021, possessed the sole power to count electoral votes and that Pence should use this power to reject pro-Biden votes and thus deliver the White House to Trump. "Howls, of course, from the Democrats," Eastman wrote. "The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission—either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court." According to Eastman, "the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the final arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."
In reality, the Constitution assigns no such power to the vice president.

Trump’s ‘Eastman Memo’ Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January…

reason.com

Meaning a vote for trump/Vance is a vote for ignoring the constitutional order when abiding by the Constitution is inconvenient. Or rulings by courts for that matter.

Vance has also gone further than nearly any other Republican official in arguing for expansive presidential authority over the executive branch, saying in 2021 that he would advise Trump to fire “every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people,” and ignore courts that got in the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/18/trump-second-term-agenda-project-2025/

I just thought you should know who you are voting for beforehand. Cuz voting for someone promising to be your retribution (even though what you're really doing is enabling his) may feel good, but is it worth turning your back on what the country stands for?

You people are creating the "monster" you fear. YOU are putting him in the White House, and for that, I thank you

 

[Billiejeens]

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/30/tucker-carlson-condemned-capitol-attack-liz-cheney
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

​

Biden campaign: J.D. Vance would do what Pence wouldn't on Jan. 6​

Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), former President Trump's new running mate, told ABC News in February that he would not have certified the 2020 election on Jan. 6 had he been vice president instead of Mike Pence.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/15/jd-vance-january-6-pence-trump

The Eastman memo is universally recognized as an unconstitutional theory whereby the VP exceeds his authority, refusing to maintain the tradition of peacefully transferring power to the new prez.

Trump's 'Eastman Memo' Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President​

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January 6 scenario" under which Trump could seek to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, which he lost to Joe Biden.

Authored by conservative law professor John Eastman, the "Eastman Memo," as it has been dubbed in the press, argued that Vice President Mike Pence, while presiding over the joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021, possessed the sole power to count electoral votes and that Pence should use this power to reject pro-Biden votes and thus deliver the White House to Trump. "Howls, of course, from the Democrats," Eastman wrote. "The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission—either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court." According to Eastman, "the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the final arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."
In reality, the Constitution assigns no such power to the vice president.

Trump’s ‘Eastman Memo’ Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January…

reason.com

Meaning a vote for trump/Vance is a vote for ignoring the constitutional order when abiding by the Constitution is inconvenient. Or rulings by courts for that matter.

Vance has also gone further than nearly any other Republican official in arguing for expansive presidential authority over the executive branch, saying in 2021 that he would advise Trump to fire “every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people,” and ignore courts that got in the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/18/trump-second-term-agenda-project-2025/

I just thought you should know who you are voting for beforehand. Cuz voting for someone promising to be your retribution (even though what you're really doing is enabling his) may feel good, but is it worth turning your back on what the country stands for?

So the question is, should we have continued Trump 2 or Obama/Biden 3.

The results show that Biden's term was a disaster following President Trump's 4 years.

I don't think that you are making the point that you think that you are making.

You are pointing out to moderate Democrats and independents how good the last 4 years could have been.

 

[Billiejeens]

It doesn't look like democrats will be able to use the same tactics that gave us the fraudulent 2020 election. Especially w8th the animated cadaver running.

He will drop out this week.

 

[Billiejeens]

Not necessarily. I'm stating it already happened. Can you vote for a ticket that stands by what trump orchestrated?

Absolutely
Most of the country would crawl over broken glass to do so.

 

[Billiejeens]

I live in the real world.

You don't

 

[EvilCat Breath]

So when Obama won two elections by winning the popular vote by large margins, something trump did not do, he didn't have a mandate?

You go with obama's mandate to destroy the republic.

 

[Billiejeens]

You keep pointing out how far President Trump will go to save the country.

Thanks
I guess.

 

[Foolardi]

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

Here's a link to the Eastman memo. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf

I'm hoping not to get bogged down by folks who will not accept this meeting actually did take place. If you can't accept that it did this would be a good jumping off point for you.

Moving on, we come to the matter of Jeffrey Clark. You may or may not recall trump wanted to name him acting AG in order to use the influence of the DoJ to pursue baseless claims of massive voter fraud, specifically in GA. When some of the top DoJ officials heard of trump's desire they threatened to quit en masse if he promoted Clark.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would affect the state’s election results.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials (Published 2022)​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would...

www.nytimes.com

Former DOJ officials detail threatening to resign en masse in meeting with Trump​

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107...ail-threatening-resign-en-masse-trump-meeting

Finally, we come to trump's participation in the fake elector scheme.

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

The most comprehensive factual record of former President Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme.

www.justsecurity.org

Overwhelming documentary and testimonial evidence proves beyond any doubt these things I've outlined happened. All of which with one goal in mind. To create a scenario leading to trump remaining in power.

How apropo.Ever notice that since Trump's asassination attempt
the Deep State is in total disarray.many Americans are now taking
Very seriously the Lies we were also told regardng the FBI undercover
Presence on January 6th.Then we find out that Yes there was a notable
Deep State { FBI } presence outside the Capitol on January 6th.
Dressed as if MAGA supporters and dilligently riling-up the crowd
outside the Capitol Bldg. after Trumps speech.
It took months to uncover one such Man who went out of his way
to publicize his presence.Named Ray Epps.Who like John Sullivan
never saw a day in jail.
Remarkable of this Deep State how casually they can assume
different caricatures.Now why do you think that is.
Was January 6th also a plot to destroy Trump and his movement
once and for all.
I say ....
You Bet yer bippy .... Baby.
It's all adding up now.History sometimes is a bit late to the
party.

 

[Billiejeens]

How apropo.Ever notice that since Trump's asassination attempt
the Deep State is in total disarray.many Americans are now taking
Very seriously the Lies we were also told regardng the FBI undercover
Presence on January 6th.Then we find out that Yes there was a notable
Deep State { FBI } presence outside the Capitol on January 6th.
Dressed as if MAGA supporters and dilligently riling-up the crowd
outside the Capitol Bldg. after Trumps speech.
It took months to uncover one such Man who went out of his way
to publicize his presence.Named Ray Epps.Who like John Sullivan
never saw a day in jail.
Remarkable of this Deep State how casually they can assume
different caricatures.Now why do you think that is.
Was January 6th also a plot to destroy Trump and his movement
once and for all.
I say ....
You Bet yer bippy .... Baby.
It's all adding up now.History sometimes is a bit late to the
party.

The majority of Americans are figuring it out and are looking to sweep Democrats completely out of power.

Their own complete disarray is helping.