Another blatant Constitutional violation

[Skull Pilot]

Huge difference. One is expressing his religious beliefs (and what happened to all of those right wingers insisting that he is a Muslim?) and the other is leading the recital of a prayer.

He recited the prayer he didn't "lead" anyone.[\quote]

When you recite the Lords Prayer in front of a crowd, it is an invitation to join in

if other people recited it along with him so what? That was their choice or do they not have the right?

And if you don't see the leader of the country invoking the deity while using taxpayer money for the equipment, th venues and all the assorted people needed for him to do so as state sanctioned religion then you are deliberately being obtuse..

And why do you feel the need to use bold oversize fonts?

My religion compels me to use bold fonts. You have something against religious freedom?????

It's an invitation you don't have to accept.

IMO religion is for the weak or the fearful.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So basically someone praying in front of you compel's you to join in?

I won't join in but others certainly do. Just recite the few opening words
to TLP in front of a crowd and I guarantee that many will join in.

So what?

 

[YWN666]

I won't join in but others certainly do. Just recite the few opening words
to TLP in front of a crowd and I guarantee that many will join in.

and are they compelled by the government to join in?

In the scenario at this graduation, yes.

 

[FA_Q2]

Excuse me but where, SPECIFICALLY, does the constitution declare that you, as a private citizen, are barred from publically speaking about your religion or displaying a religious practice?

I am just riveted to see the justification for removing religious freedom here.

 

[martybegan]

and are they compelled by the government to join in?

In the scenario at this graduation, yes.

Tell me how they are compelled by the government to join in the prayer. be specific. Brain control? Guns to thier heads? hypnotic suggestion?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Bwaahaaahaaa!!! Your logic circuit needs a tune up, kid.

So that I see the logic in letting authoritarian thugs end civil rights?

Son, the only logic you display is logical fallacy.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I won't join in but others certainly do. Just recite the few opening words
to TLP in front of a crowd and I guarantee that many will join in.

And you figure that with a few well placed rifle butts to faces, you can put an end to that?

 

[YWN666]

In the scenario at this graduation, yes.

Tell me how they are compelled by the government to join in the prayer. be specific. Brain control? Guns to thier heads? hypnotic suggestion?

For the 100th time, read the court decision I posted.

 

[YWN666]

I won't join in but others certainly do. Just recite the few opening words
to TLP in front of a crowd and I guarantee that many will join in.

And you figure that with a few well placed rifle butts to faces, you can put an end to that?

I guess the only way you can continue your rabid rant is to put words in my mouth? I'm not entertaining anymore of your juvenile bullshit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I guess the only way you can continue your rabid rant is to put words in my mouth? I'm not entertaining anymore of your juvenile bullshit.

Dude, you're an authoritarian thug advocating violence against those who dare express ideas you oppose - you can't expect to be well liked by rational people...

I'm just sayin.....

 

[YWN666]

Excuse me but where, SPECIFICALLY, does the constitution declare that you, as a private citizen, are barred from publically speaking about your religion or displaying a religious practice?

I am just riveted to see the justification for removing religious freedom here.

Do you think that everything governed by the Constitution is specifically mentioned in it?

 

[YWN666]

I guess the only way you can continue your rabid rant is to put words in my mouth? I'm not entertaining anymore of your juvenile bullshit.

Dude, you're an authoritarian thug advocating violence against those who dare express ideas you oppose - you can't expect to be well liked by rational people...

I'm just sayin.....

.....and you're an ignorant tool that can find a liberal conspiracy on the back of a box of cornflakes. Watch out for those black helicopters, Archie!! LOL!

 

[Uncensored2008]

.....and you're an ignorant tool that can find a liberal conspiracy on the back of a box of cornflakes. Watch out for those black helicopters, Archie!! LOL!

Oh yeah, that straw man will distract from your attacks on freedom of speech - no question.

 

[Ernie S.]

Excuse me but where, SPECIFICALLY, does the constitution declare that you, as a private citizen, are barred from publically speaking about your religion or displaying a religious practice?

I am just riveted to see the justification for removing religious freedom here.

Actually, the Constitution says exactly the opposite

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually, the Constitution says exactly the opposite

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Imagine that, leftists doing the opposite of what the Constitution mandates...

 

[martybegan]

Tell me how they are compelled by the government to join in the prayer. be specific. Brain control? Guns to thier heads? hypnotic suggestion?

For the 100th time, read the court decision I posted.

Fuck. The. Court. Tell me how YOU or anyone else would be compelled to join in the prayer if the person giving the comcencement speech said it.

 

[gallantwarrior]

So basically someone praying in front of you compel's you to join in?

I won't join in but others certainly do. Just recite the few opening words
to TLP in front of a crowd and I guarantee that many will join in.

And you would deny their right to freely express their religion? You are not forced to join in. No one else it either, it's optional. The Constitution does not guarantee freedom from religion. Suck it up buttercup. It's done, it's over...but it will happen many, many more times, especially when government coercion is brought to suppress such religious expression.

 

[Againsheila]

SC valedictorian recites Lord's Prayer at graduation - Atlanta News, Weather, Traffic, and Sports | FOX 5


SC valedictorian recites Lord's Prayer at graduation


Posted: Jun 06, 2013 11:22 PM EST Updated: Jun 13, 2013 11:22 PM EST
By MYFOXATLANTA STAFF


A valedictorian at a South Carolina high school ripped up a faculty-approved speech and opted instead to read the Lord's Prayer.

Liberty High School valedictorian Roy Costner hadn't been at the podium for more than 30 seconds when he tore up the speech he had gotten approved by the faculty and began reciting the Lord's Prayer to thunderous applause.

Patrick Elliott with the Freedom From Religion Foundation says they have received complaints about the district in South Carolina in the past for having student-led prayers at school board meetings, so they wrote to them and asked them to stop.

"Sometimes people think, 'majority rules' but that's not really the case with a constitutional right. So students do have the right to attend school without the school promoting or endorsing religion even if you know a large amount of people in the community would hope that the school would do so," Elliott said.

Jonathan Saenz with Texas Values is proud of Costner.

"It's very clear. If the student is allowed to speak, the government cannot pick and choose what words they like...specifically target them because they're religious," Saenz said.

Elliott says he doesn't feel what Costner did was illegal, just in poor taste.

"I think it's a symptom of the entitlement that has gone on in that district. They've been instituting prayers and religious practices for a very long time and so when the school is now coming into compliance with the law, I think there's bound to be some reaction to that. I also think if it were a non-Christian student, a Muslim or somebody who's non-religious, I think you would have heard "boos" there instead of you know, loud applause," Elliott said.

Saenz doesn't agree, saying those who complain usually target Christians expressing their faith.

"That's what we've seen in Texas, that's what we're seeing in South Carolina, and so all denominations have religious freedom rights but it seems like every time it becomes an issue and someone threatens with a lawsuit or some type of challenge, it's always a Christian student. And so that's unfortunate that you see this type of targeted discrimination. And we hope that's something that will end," Saenz said.

Link to video: LHS Valedictorian Address 2013 - YouTube

Seeing how Congress starts every session with a prayer, I don't see how a prayer in unconstitutional anywhere in the USA.

 

[gallantwarrior]

He recited the prayer he didn't "lead" anyone.[\quote]

When you recite the Lords Prayer in front of a crowd, it is an invitation to join in



My religion compels me to use bold fonts. You have something against religious freedom?????

It's an invitation you don't have to accept.

IMO religion is for the weak or the fearful.

Then there are those so weak and fearful that just hearing someone else intone a prayer sends them into paroxysms of mindless terror to the point where they demand that force be brought to halt those mutterings lest they too be compelled to join in.

 

[FA_Q2]

Excuse me but where, SPECIFICALLY, does the constitution declare that you, as a private citizen, are barred from publically speaking about your religion or displaying a religious practice?

I am just riveted to see the justification for removing religious freedom here.

Do you think that everything governed by the Constitution is specifically mentioned in it?

This instance however is specifically mentioned. Ernie pointed it out for you. Try and actually address it.