Another Waffle House shooting, but this time armed customer shoots robber, 1 of 2 armed robbers...

[August West]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Yep, sometimes the good guys win. Think the NRA will get credit?

For creating so many "armed" robbers? Yes, I`ll give the NRA credit.

 

[there4eyeM]

They weren't shooting people, just taking money. Jeopardizing everyone was a big risk. One has the right to be prudent.

 

[Ridgerunner]

For creating so many "armed" robbers? Yes, I`ll give the NRA credit

Your accolades are quite silly... Like giving Planned Parenthood credit for Ranch Dressing...

 

[WEATHER53]

Does anybody have stats on the number of times guns are used in legal defense versus illegal offense?
Thanks

 

[Leo123]

Let's see, no AR-15, no one died, probably 'white on white' = 'nothing to see here'

 

[Daryl Hunt]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Fact Check: It happened. That's one in a row where the "Good Guy" thwarted a robbery. Not a mass shooting. But what is left out is that it could have easily turned into a shoot fest where innocents were killed by cross fire. The "Good Guy" started firing as the "Bad Guys" were exiting. Very little money was taken. My question is, is the life of an innocent worth the chance? Let them go and let the NOLA PD pick them up like they ended up doing anyway.

 

[martybegan]

They weren't shooting people, just taking money. Jeopardizing everyone was a big risk. One has the right to be prudent.

Yes, because all robbers will just take the money and leave...

Wendy's massacre - Wikipedia

I was in the place 4 hours before it was robbed, I was getting dinner on my way home from work.

 

[2aguy]

Does anybody have stats on the number of times guns are used in legal defense versus illegal offense?
Thanks

Why yes....we do......

Here are the studies...notice that the CDC and the Department of Justice did studies to disprove Dr. Gary Kleck's study and were shown that Kleck was right...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Pop23]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Yep, sometimes the good guys win. Think the NRA will get credit?

For creating so many "armed" robbers? Yes, I`ll give the NRA credit.

Would be far more robbers and rapists without the good work of the NRA.

Hey, I’m not a member but maybe I’ll join!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Does anybody have stats on the number of times guns are used in legal defense versus illegal offense?
Thanks

Why yes....we do......

Here are the studies...notice that the CDC and the Department of Justice did studies to disprove Dr. Gary Kleck's study and were shown that Kleck was right...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

I took a look at your cites. At least the ones that actually lead somewhere. The CDC study doesn't exist. And the others were mostly put together by either pro gun nutcases or anti gun nutz. both were heavily slanted and Dr Katz brought that up. The last study that was doen was in 1980 and that really isn't applicable these days.

You keep bringing up the CDC study but you don't have any evidence that it ever existed. It's the same as just makng it up as you go.All of us are using the same link that has no link to it to bolster our claims. If you say a like enough times does it make it the truth? Nope, it's still a lie. And I am bejginning to think that there is one person posting with more than one account. Maybe the powers that be needs to look into that using their methods.

No one has done a neutral study recently.

 

[skookerasbil]

Hey 2aGuy..... hope his weapon of choice was a trusty 12-gauge

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Hey 2aGuy..... hope his weapon of choice was a trusty 12-gauge

I might try something not too bright against a single AR but NEVER against the trusty 12 gauge. Those things put the fear of God in anyone.

 

[Rustic]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Yep, sometimes the good guys win. Think the NRA will get credit?

For creating so many "armed" robbers? Yes, I`ll give the NRA credit.

Lol
More frivolous gun laws will not stop one single illegal gun sale… Are you really that stupid to think they would?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Yep, sometimes the good guys win. Think the NRA will get credit?

For creating so many "armed" robbers? Yes, I`ll give the NRA credit.

Lol
More frivolous gun laws will not stop one single illegal gun sale… Are you really that stupid to think they would?

No one every staid they would. But for the modern Mass Shootings, all were legal aquired ARs. We change what we have the power to change.

 

[Rustic]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Yep, sometimes the good guys win. Think the NRA will get credit?

For creating so many "armed" robbers? Yes, I`ll give the NRA credit.

Lol
More frivolous gun laws will not stop one single illegal gun sale… Are you really that stupid to think they would?

No one every staid they would. But for the modern Mass Shootings, all were legal aquired ARs. We change what we have the power to change.

Lol
You don’t understand reality whatsoever

 

[2aguy]

Hey 2aGuy..... hope his weapon of choice was a trusty 12-gauge

I might try something not too bright against a single AR but NEVER against the trusty 12 gauge. Those things put the fear of God in anyone.

You aren't too bright, are you?

 

[2aguy]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Yep, sometimes the good guys win. Think the NRA will get credit?

For creating so many "armed" robbers? Yes, I`ll give the NRA credit.

The NRA and other 2nd Amendment organizations have helped protect that Right so that, according to the CDC, 2.4 million Americans each year can stop armed robbers, and violent rapists and murderers...

Without the NRA, those victims would be robbed, raped or murdered at the whim of the violent criminals the democrats keep letting out of jail....which is the real problem...democrats letting violent criminals out of jail over and over again.

 

[2aguy]

Does anybody have stats on the number of times guns are used in legal defense versus illegal offense?
Thanks

Why yes....we do......

Here are the studies...notice that the CDC and the Department of Justice did studies to disprove Dr. Gary Kleck's study and were shown that Kleck was right...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

I took a look at your cites. At least the ones that actually lead somewhere. The CDC study doesn't exist. And the others were mostly put together by either pro gun nutcases or anti gun nutz. both were heavily slanted and Dr Katz brought that up. The last study that was doen was in 1980 and that really isn't applicable these days.

You keep bringing up the CDC study but you don't have any evidence that it ever existed. It's the same as just makng it up as you go.All of us are using the same link that has no link to it to bolster our claims. If you say a like enough times does it make it the truth? Nope, it's still a lie. And I am bejginning to think that there is one person posting with more than one account. Maybe the powers that be needs to look into that using their methods.

No one has done a neutral study recently.

Here you go....the CDC study as revealed by Dr. Kleck....the data was also included in the 2013 CDC study commissioned by obama....



SSRN Electronic Library

The timing of CDC’s addition of a DGU question to the BRFSS is of some interest. Prior to 1996, the BRFSS had never included a question about DGU. Kleck and Gertz (1995) conducted their survey in February through April 1993, presented their estimate that there were over 2 million DGUs in 1992 at the annual meetings of the American Society of Criminology in November 1994, and published it in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology in the Fall of 1995.


CDC added a DGU question to the BRFSS the very first year they could do so after that 1995 publication, in the 1996 edition.

CDC was not the only federal agency during the Clinton administration to field a survey addressing the prevalence of DGU at that particular time.

The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) financed a national survey devoting even more detailed attention to estimating DGU prevalence, which was fielded in November and December 1994, just months after preliminary results of the 1993 Kleck/Gertz survey became known.

Neither CDC nor NIJ had ever financed research into DGU before 1996.

Perhaps there was just “something in the air” that motivated the two agencies to suddenly decide in 1994 to address the topic. Another interpretation, however, is that fielding of the surveys was triggered by the Kleck/Gertz findings that DGU was common, and that these agencies hoped to obtain lower DGU prevalence estimates than those obtained by Kleck/Gertz. Low estimates would have implied fewer beneficial uses of firearms, results that would have been far more congenial to the strongly pro-control positions of the Clinton administration.

 

[Deno]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Yep, sometimes the good guys win. Think the NRA will get credit?

I don't know....were either of the armed robbers members?

Of course not, we all know the

vast majority of criminals are liberals.

 

[Correll]

This Waffle House shooting happened a few days ago........two men with guns attempted to rob a Waffle House...but this time a customer had a gun......one of the robbers ran away, the other tried to shoot the armed customer...and was shot several times.....

Notice how this one ended differently than the Waffle House shooting in Tennessee.....? Hmmmmm...I wonder what the difference is?

The Waffle House Shooting You DIDN'T Hear About From the Media: 'Good Guy With Gun' Thwarts Armed Robbery


Ernest Thomas was arrested on one count of armed robbery and one count of attempted armed robbery, but remains in the hospital as he recovers from gunshot wounds, NOPD said. Around 10:19 p.m. Thursday, Thomas and another man with semiautomatic handguns entered the Waffle House in the 2900 block of Elysian Fields Avenue, police said. The other man jumped the counter and demanded money from the cashier, while also taking $8 from a costumer, according to an NOPD release Friday afternoon. T


homas stood on the side by the counter and served as lookout for the other man. A customer armed with his personal firearm drew his weapon as the other robber approached him, causing the robber to flee. Thomas then pointed his own weapon at the armed customer, the police release said.


The customer fired several shots at Thomas, who then ran out of the Waffle House and fled in a white Chrysler with the other robber. The customer later told police that he believed he had struck Thomas. Later in the night, a white Chrysler pulled up at a local emergency room and dropped off a man with several gunshot wounds to the back, hip and arm. The man matched witness descriptions of the injured robber, according to the release.

This unnamed, law-abiding, armed customer thwarted an armed robbery in progress -- and possibly saved lives -- by exercising his rights. This incident will be recorded as one of the many annual instances (between 100,000 on the extreme low end, to 2.5 million on the higher end) of Americans defending themselves or their property with firearms.

And as extraordinary and special as Mr. Shaw's actions were, what are the chances the Louisiana crime, with two armed perpetrators, could have been stopped by a single unarmed man?

Who was that stupid lib that cited numbers that ONLY included dead attackers?


A common trick by vile, lying libs.


THIS defense, would/will not be country by lying libs, who use that common lib tactic.



To them, this did not happen and they want the rest of US to think it did not happen, too.