Antarctic ice shelf showing signs of breaking away

[Old Rocks]

The Earth is presently warming, but we do not know if that is a normal thing. I know in researching the history of Greenland for my book Newbeard the Great, I found out that there were reports of people being able to circumnavigate Greenland prior to the voyage of Columbus. Today that is impossible because of the ice sheet to the north of Greenland. Could it be that conditions in that area were warmer a thousand years ago???

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Ice Isotopes
Analyses of stable isotopes in glacial ice provide records of climate changes at high resolution over long time periods. In the low latitudes, this signal is a combination of temperature and hydrologic variables. In the polar ice sheets, the signal is primarily driven by temperature.

Isotope records from Tibet and the Andes show that the climate of the 20th century was unusual with respect to the preceding 2,000 years. Current understanding does not allow us to separate the temperature part of this signal rigorously, but all evidence indicates Tibet warmed over the last century. Andean climate changes have patterns over space and time that are not yet understood.

Greenland had a pronounced period of warmth around A.D. 1000, a cool period from 1600 through 1900, and a modest 20th century warming. Some coastal sites in Antarctica show 20th century warming but interior sites do not. No Antarctic sites show a warming during medieval times.

Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years

 

[DavidS]

The Earth is presently warming, but we do not know if that is a normal thing. I know in researching the history of Greenland for my book Newbeard the Great, I found out that there were reports of people being able to circumnavigate Greenland prior to the voyage of Columbus. Today that is impossible because of the ice sheet to the north of Greenland. Could it be that conditions in that area were warmer a thousand years ago???

1000 years ago was the medieval warm period. The polar caps were melted and you could grow wine grapes as far north as south Britain. Greenland was named Greenland because.... drumroll please... IT WAS GREEN! Obviously we know that Greenland is NOT Green today.

 

[DavidS]

We have ample data, from dendochronology to ice cores that go back further than 650,000 years. We also have proxy data from isotopes of oxygen and carbon that go back hundreds of millions of years.

And have you, personally studied and seen this technology? Have you learned dendochronology in ice cores? Have you learned all of this yourself and have you come up with the same conclusion the UN has?

The earth is warming, and warming with a rapidity only matched in periods that in prior geologic history led to a time of major extinction.

So you're saying that the Earth has, indeed warmed this rapidly before without human intervention?

The only other major source of CO2 in the atmosphere is volcanos,

This is where you ignorance shows.

CO2 is found in decay of dead plant and animal matter, evaporation from the oceans and respiration (breathing). The increase in CO2 levels could be due to the increase of human beings who emit CO2. Human physiology tells us that a person emits 450 liters of CO2 per day. Annually, that's 6,297,000,000,000 liters of CO2 emitted by 6.6 billion human beings. Are you going to tell us to stop breathing now?

and, at present, their contribution is less than 1/130th that of man. That is a USGS figure.

USGS - United States Geological Survey = United States government. Government is making billions of dollars off of the green industry, not to mention politicians and lobbyists are making billions as well.

Today, virtually all the alpine glaciers are in rapid retreat on all the inhabited contintents. The major ice caps, Greenland and Anarctica, are losing ice mass at the rate of tens of cubic miles per year. The Siberian and North American permafrost areas are melting and beginning to outgass CO2 and CH4. The physical evidence of the warming is undeniable.

Do you see this for yourself? Or are you trusting outside sources again?

As far as the scientific community is concerned, there is an overwhelming consensus that the earth is warming and that the burning of fossil fuel is the primary cause. Every single scientific society on earth states this in it's policy statement concerning global warming. As does every National Academy of Science, as does every major university.

31,000 scinetests have signed this petition to reject global warming.

Home - Global Warming Petition Project

Here is a list of scientests opposing global warming
List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is another website targetting global warming with hard facts instead of soft facts made up by people who stand to profit greatly in the next decade with the Green Indsutry.

JunkScience.com -- Steven Milloy, Publisher

As George Bush and Dick Cheney were to oil, Barack Obama will be to the Green Industry. People will make billions of dollars off of the biggest swindle in the history of the world.

 

[DavidS]

And you are flapping your yap without ever bothering to read the information in the article. Not something that speaks highly of your intellect.

Sorry, I don't read "scientific" data from 100+ years ago when there wasn't even electricity invented yet and a majority of people thought the Earth was flat and that the universe revolved around the Earth.

I'm not a scientist nor do I play one on TV, but I do have common sense knowledge that tells me that man-made global warming is about as real as last month's playmate's breasts.

 

[xsited1]

There is no question global warming is real. Scientists have been observing global warming for years. We are talking about Mars, right?

Global warming hits Mars too: study

 

[DavidS]

There is no question global warming is real. Scientists have been observing global warming for years. We are talking about Mars, right?

Global warming hits Mars too: study

Question: What do Mars and Earth have in common?
Answer: The sun!

Sunspot activity has dramatically decreased. Thus our Earth is cooler this year.

 

[Old Rocks]

Cooler than when?

Newswise — Global trend since Nov. 16, 1978: +0.13 C per decadehttp://www.newswise.com/articles/view/546585/


October temperatures (preliminary)

Global composite temp.: +0.17 C (about 0.31° Fahrenheit) above 20-year
average for October.

Northern Hemisphere: +0.26 C (about 0.47° Fahrenheit) above 20-year average
for October.

Southern Hemisphere: +0.07 C (about 0.13° Fahrenheit) above 20-year average
for October.

September temperatures (revised):

Global Composite: +0.16 C above 20-year average

Northern Hemisphere: +0.22 C above 20-year average

Southern Hemisphere: +0.11 C above 20-year average

(All temperature variations are based on a 20-year average (1979-1998) for
the month reported.)

Notes on data released Nov. 17, 2008:

As part of an ongoing joint project between The University of Alabama in
Huntsville, NOAA and NASA, Dr. John Christy, director of the Earth System
Science Center (ESSC) at The University of Alabama in Huntsville, and Dr.
Roy Spencer, a principal research scientist in the ESSC, use data gathered
by microwave sounding units on NOAA and NASA satellites to get accurate
temperature readings for almost all regions of the Earth.

This includes remote desert, ocean and rain forest areas for which reliable
climate data are not otherwise available. The satellite-based instruments
measure the temperature of the atmosphere from the surface up to an altitude
of about eight kilometers above sea level.

Once the monthly temperature data is collected and processed, it is placed
in a “public” computer file for immediate access by atmospheric scientists
in the U.S. and abroad.

Neither Spencer nor Christy receives any research support or funding from
oil, coal or industrial companies or organizations, or from any private or
special interest groups. All of their climate research funding comes from
state and federal grants or contracts.

 

[Old Rocks]

DavidS, you certainly are not a scientist. Cyclic CO2 is no problem. We breath out CO2, the plants process this and put out O2, which we breathe and exhale CO2. No net gain or loss in the amount of atmospheric CO2. However, by burning massive amounts of sequestered carbon, coal, and oil, we have increased the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere by almost 40%.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yes, I have seen the retreat of major glaciers in the Cascades, the Blues, and the Rockies. Up close and personal.

 

[Old Rocks]

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The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging." It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

The OISM is located on a farm about 7 miles from the town of Cave Junction, Oregon (population 1,126). Located slightly east of Siskiyou National Forest, Cave Junction is one of several small towns nestled in the Illinois Valley, whose total population is 15,000. Best known as a gateway to the Oregon Caves National Monument, it is described by its chamber of commerce as "the commercial, service, and cultural center for a rural community of small farms, woodlots, crafts people, and families just living apart from the crowds. ... It's a place where going into the market can take time because people talk in the aisles and at the checkstands. Life is slower, so you have to be patient. You'll be part of that slowness because it is enjoyable to be neighborly." The main visitors are tourists who come to hike, backpack and fish in the area's many rivers and streams. Cave Junction is the sort of out-of-the-way location you might seek out if you were hoping to survive a nuclear war, but it is not known as a center for scientific and medical research. The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.


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[dilloduck]

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine
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This article is part of the Climate change portal on SourceWatch.
This article is part of the Nuclear spin analysis project of SpinWatch (UK) and the Center for Media and Democracy.
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging." It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.

The OISM is located on a farm about 7 miles from the town of Cave Junction, Oregon (population 1,126). Located slightly east of Siskiyou National Forest, Cave Junction is one of several small towns nestled in the Illinois Valley, whose total population is 15,000. Best known as a gateway to the Oregon Caves National Monument, it is described by its chamber of commerce as "the commercial, service, and cultural center for a rural community of small farms, woodlots, crafts people, and families just living apart from the crowds. ... It's a place where going into the market can take time because people talk in the aisles and at the checkstands. Life is slower, so you have to be patient. You'll be part of that slowness because it is enjoyable to be neighborly." The main visitors are tourists who come to hike, backpack and fish in the area's many rivers and streams. Cave Junction is the sort of out-of-the-way location you might seek out if you were hoping to survive a nuclear war, but it is not known as a center for scientific and medical research. The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.


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Can you GUARANTEE that man can keep the climate in it's natural state ?

 

[Cecilie1200]

None at all. Just continued evidence of the accelerating effects of the warming caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

. . . Or just evidence that the earth is a dynamic and ever-changing place.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Screwing up currents ? Is that something that humans won't be able to adjust to ?

Well, if we can't, then we deserve to become extinct.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You're relying on scientific data from over a hundred years ago? Please tell me you're joking. There isn't one scientific community that relies on data from 20 years ago, some 10 and even further some 5 years ago because of the technological advancements we keep making.

Is it possible that the people advancing and promoting this idea of global warming are making hundreds of billions of dollars from the "Green Industry?"

Well, on the other hand, he probably also still thinks evolution is the cutting edge of modern science, despite being introduced over a hundred years ago, when people still thought that cells were mere globs of protoplasm.

For some people, "science" is defined as "anything that reinforces the beliefs I've already decided to hold".

 

[Cecilie1200]

OF COURSE it is. Besides being the new secularist dogma of course.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that, while he's pointing to a theory from a hundred years ago, FORTY years ago people thought the globe was in danger from COOLING.

Now, of course, it's just "climate change". That way, they can claim to be prescient and infallible no matter what happens. And, after all, they can rest assured that the climate WILL change.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The Earth is presently warming, but we do not know if that is a normal thing. I know in researching the history of Greenland for my book Newbeard the Great, I found out that there were reports of people being able to circumnavigate Greenland prior to the voyage of Columbus. Today that is impossible because of the ice sheet to the north of Greenland. Could it be that conditions in that area were warmer a thousand years ago???

Last I heard, there was evidence of people actually living and farming in Greenland. There IS a reason it's called "GREENland".

 

[Cecilie1200]

1000 years ago was the medieval warm period. The polar caps were melted and you could grow wine grapes as far north as south Britain. Greenland was named Greenland because.... drumroll please... IT WAS GREEN! Obviously we know that Greenland is NOT Green today.

Wanna know something else? Once upon a time, the Sahara Desert was green and fertile and had lots of rain. In fact, the erosion on the Sphinx comes from heavy rainfall and flooding, not from wind and sand, as with the erosion on the much-younger pyramids.

I swear, if the eco-nuts had been around at the time, they'd have been screaming in horror about having caused the continental drift that broke up Pangea.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes, I have seen the retreat of major glaciers in the Cascades, the Blues, and the Rockies. Up close and personal.

YOU can actually observe the movement of glaciers? Can you also watch continental drift? Is there anything else you can personally witness that no one else can see with the naked eye, Oh Mighty One?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Can you GUARANTEE that man can keep the climate in it's natural state ?

I want him to first guarantee me, with certification, exactly what the correct "natural state" of the Earth and its climate IS, and that it was intended to become that way and then stay there forever, and would have done so without man's intervention. THEN he can go about proving that mankind can accomplish what an entire planet couldn't.

 

[xsited1]

Question: What do Mars and Earth have in common?
Answer: The sun!

Sunspot activity has dramatically decreased. Thus our Earth is cooler this year.

Don't be silly. Global Warming on Mars is caused by SUVs. Every Martian has one.