Arab Treatment Of Syrian Palestinians

[georgephillip]

What a pathetic response. Its ok for Palestinians to be treated like that because of what happened in 1948?
Youre incredibly biased

What's truly pathetic are hypocrites shedding crocodile tears for Syrian Palestinians while supporting the Jewish homeland that produced the Palestinian refugee problem in the first place.

The thing is - the Palestinians are here now and need a homeland just as the Jews did after the devastation of WW2. We have to deal with the here and now, not what happened 60 years ago. That isn't going to change. Decisions were made, taken, broken and blame and venom slung back and forth. In the end it's irrelevant because it won't change a thing for the situation that they are in now which is desperate - they are landless, nationless, unwanted and unrecognized.

Currently, nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs live between the River and the sea.
Both sides have good reason to view the other with suspicion, and each nation has their fundamentalists who would rather die than share historical Palestine/Israel. IMHO, a two-state solution that deprives Palestinians of sovereignty over their airspace and coastal waters isn't practical; so we're left with a dilemma where every Jew living between the River and the sea has a vote to determine who writes the laws she lives under, while only about 25% to 30% of Arabs enjoy the same privilege. If a one-state solution that solves the democracy problem requires US/UN/NATO peace keepers in the Jordan valley for the next generation, is it worth it?

 

[MJB12741]

Now THATS funny! You see George, the Palestinian refugee problem was created in 1967 by the surrounding Arab countries convincing the Palestinians to leave until they annihilated Israel off the face of the earth.

"Most Palestinian refugees fled to Syria in 1948 and came from northern Palestine,
Safad, Haifa, Acre, Tiberias, and Nazareth.

"Some refugees arrived in Syria via
Lebanon, some came from Galilee and the Hula Valley onto the Golan Heights, and
others came directly from Palestine to Jordan to Syria (Mawed 1999: 19–25).

"By the
summer of 1948, there were about 70,000 Palestinian refugees in Syria, the majority
concentrated along the border area with Israel (Morris 1988: 262)."

When 650,000 Jews inflicted their nation upon twice as many Arabs in 1948 Palestine, hundreds of thousands of refugees were cleansed from the Jewish state.

Little that happens today in Lebanon or Syria or Jordan happens independently of that original Zionist crime.

http://www.forcedmigration.org/research-resources/expert-guides/palestinian-refugees-in-syria/fmo017.pdf

What a pathetic response. Its ok for Palestinians to be treated like that because of what happened in 1948?
Youre incredibly biased

What's truly pathetic are hypocrites shedding crocodile tears for Syrian Palestinians while supporting the Jewish homeland that produced the Palestinian refugee problem in the first place.

 

[MJB12741]

Here is an opportunity to help save the Palestinians from their Syrian Arab brothers.


Infographic: How the Syrian crisis created a disaster for Palestinian refugee children | Mondoweiss

 

[Coyote]

What's truly pathetic are hypocrites shedding crocodile tears for Syrian Palestinians while supporting the Jewish homeland that produced the Palestinian refugee problem in the first place.

The thing is - the Palestinians are here now and need a homeland just as the Jews did after the devastation of WW2. We have to deal with the here and now, not what happened 60 years ago. That isn't going to change. Decisions were made, taken, broken and blame and venom slung back and forth. In the end it's irrelevant because it won't change a thing for the situation that they are in now which is desperate - they are landless, nationless, unwanted and unrecognized.

Currently, nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs live between the River and the sea.
Both sides have good reason to view the other with suspicion, and each nation has their fundamentalists who would rather die than share historical Palestine/Israel.

Agree.

IMHO, a two-state solution that deprives Palestinians of sovereignty over their airspace and coastal waters isn't practical; so we're left with a dilemma where every Jew living between the River and the sea has a vote to determine who writes the laws she lives under, while only about 25% to 30% of Arabs enjoy the same privilege. If a one-state solution that solves the democracy problem requires US/UN/NATO peace keepers in the Jordan valley for the next generation, is it worth it?

Do you really think, given the level of animosity on both sides - that a one state solution would be possible?

I agree that you can not have a two-state solution where one state has no sovereignty over their own airspace and coastline - that would not create a viable state. I think that would have to be negotiated out of any agreement.

 

[GHook93]

It might not yet be ideal, but palestinians in gaza and the WB are living the good life compared to those in refugee camps.
Palestinian government is responsible for their services, rights and infrastructural. It is also responsible or trade and encouraging investment of business for job growth.
PLO is also supposed to be responsible for the refugees. They should have tried to bring refugees in to the WB/G to relieve the pressure of the camps and provide safety for their people.
Can you imagine if the refugee workforce was put to laying new pipes and sewage, digging wells, cleaning aquifers, laying roads, building housing, constructing terraces for farming, building hospitals and clinics, schools, encouraging investment with promises of peace, making compromises for peace and prosperity by their own hands instead of waiting for someone else to give them charity or "compensation" at some point in the future. They need to invest in themselves now.

They are living good compared to non-Palestinian Arabs in Egypt, Libya, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Oman, Yemen and ESPECIALLY Iran!

 

[georgephillip]

The thing is - the Palestinians are here now and need a homeland just as the Jews did after the devastation of WW2. We have to deal with the here and now, not what happened 60 years ago. That isn't going to change. Decisions were made, taken, broken and blame and venom slung back and forth. In the end it's irrelevant because it won't change a thing for the situation that they are in now which is desperate - they are landless, nationless, unwanted and unrecognized.

Currently, nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs live between the River and the sea.
Both sides have good reason to view the other with suspicion, and each nation has their fundamentalists who would rather die than share historical Palestine/Israel.

Agree.

IMHO, a two-state solution that deprives Palestinians of sovereignty over their airspace and coastal waters isn't practical; so we're left with a dilemma where every Jew living between the River and the sea has a vote to determine who writes the laws she lives under, while only about 25% to 30% of Arabs enjoy the same privilege. If a one-state solution that solves the democracy problem requires US/UN/NATO peace keepers in the Jordan valley for the next generation, is it worth it?

Do you really think, given the level of animosity on both sides - that a one state solution would be possible?

I agree that you can not have a two-state solution where one state has no sovereignty over their own airspace and coastline - that would not create a viable state. I think that would have to be negotiated out of any agreement.

I think any Israeli politician who presided over the creation of a Palestinian State that had the military resources to control its airspace and coastal waters would go the way of Rabin.

"Yitzhak Rabin (Hebrew: יִצְחָק רַבִּין; IPA: [jitsˈχak ʁaˈbin] ( listen); 1 March 1922 – 4 November 1995) was an Israeli politician, statesman and general. He was the fifth Prime Minister of Israel, serving two terms in office, 1974–77 and 1992 until his assassination in 1995.

"In 1994, Rabin won the Nobel Peace Prize together with Shimon Peres and Yasser Arafat.

"He was assassinated by right-wing Israeli radical Yigal Amir, who was opposed to Rabin's signing of the Oslo Accords.

"Rabin was the first native-born prime minister of Israel, the only prime minister to be assassinated and the second to die in office after Levi Eshkol."

For longer than the Jewish state has existed some Jews and Arabs have been calling for a Semitic Union that would cobble together a federation composed of Israel, Palestine, and Jordan.

I can't imagine how that would happen without UNSC Peacekeepers from the US and Russia (among others) on the ground in the Jordan Valley, at least.

Obviously, the US and Russia won't be cooperating anywhere anytime soon, and it isn't likely peace in Palestine would be nearly as profitable for defense contractors as the current arrangement.

 

[aris2chat]

Would they have been allowed to?

Edited to add: I don't see how it would have benefited Gaza, isn't Gaza already one of the most densly populated areas on earth?

I don't know the logistics but considering the emergency of camp in syria they could have made arrangement to truck refugees, with what would fit in bag and get those most in need (women, children, disabled, medical need, etc.) and drive them through Israel, with permission, to the west bank and set up housing for them. It would not have been easy or quick, but it could have been done. Air lift would need permission to land in Damascus and permission to fly across Israel air space, or jordanian.
If there was a will there could have been away. Refugees worked, drove or rode to get out of the country. Permission could have been requested for palestinians to leave the camps in Syria and travel to the WB. Now with fighting from all directions there are risks. Earlier some could have been removed.
Assad might have denied the request, but unless Abbas asks he would not know.

Admittedly - I am not sure of the logistics or politics here - but would Israel have allowed the influx of refugees into WB? I always assumed it was pretty restricted. I can't see how it could work in Gaza - there don't seem to be enough resources there and entry/exit is pretty restricted isn't it?

It's horrible that refugees out of Syria are further divided by ethnic origin and treated based on that - it is unbelievable and the countries willing to take them are overwelmed.

There are more syria refugees than palestinian refugees. UN set up a branch just for the palestinans. There are more afghan refugee right not. There was not UN for the Kurdish refugees, countries absorbed them.
Keeping palestinans are refugees is political. It is not about Israel not allowing refugees to go to the west bank. It has right after oslo. Those that be, don't want the refugees in the west bank because then their would be no reason for them to "return" to Israel.
If just the women and those more in need were transferred to the west bank for safety during the civil war then "if" there was a return of some palestinians to Israel they they could be reunited after them fact. There has been a standing offer of taking in 100,000 refugees to Israel, but the arab states would have to absorb the rest. No one wants them. Many in jordan were given citizenship but it was later revoked. Lebanon also gave some citizenship but it too was later revoked.
They belong to the UN.

Palestine's Peace Bomb
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/19/255972.html

 

[MJB12741]

So true that no Arab nation wants Palestinians. Who can blame them? And yet Israel still allows the Palestinians to remain in Israel for which Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

I don't know the logistics but considering the emergency of camp in syria they could have made arrangement to truck refugees, with what would fit in bag and get those most in need (women, children, disabled, medical need, etc.) and drive them through Israel, with permission, to the west bank and set up housing for them. It would not have been easy or quick, but it could have been done. Air lift would need permission to land in Damascus and permission to fly across Israel air space, or jordanian.
If there was a will there could have been away. Refugees worked, drove or rode to get out of the country. Permission could have been requested for palestinians to leave the camps in Syria and travel to the WB. Now with fighting from all directions there are risks. Earlier some could have been removed.
Assad might have denied the request, but unless Abbas asks he would not know.

Admittedly - I am not sure of the logistics or politics here - but would Israel have allowed the influx of refugees into WB? I always assumed it was pretty restricted. I can't see how it could work in Gaza - there don't seem to be enough resources there and entry/exit is pretty restricted isn't it?

It's horrible that refugees out of Syria are further divided by ethnic origin and treated based on that - it is unbelievable and the countries willing to take them are overwelmed.

There are more syria refugees than palestinian refugees. UN set up a branch just for the palestinans. There are more afghan refugee right not. There was not UN for the Kurdish refugees, countries absorbed them.
Keeping palestinans are refugees is political. It is not about Israel not allowing refugees to go to the west bank. It has right after oslo. Those that be, don't want the refugees in the west bank because then their would be no reason for them to "return" to Israel.
If just the women and those more in need were transferred to the west bank for safety during the civil war then "if" there was a return of some palestinians to Israel they they could be reunited after them fact. There has been a standing offer of taking in 100,000 refugees to Israel, but the arab states would have to absorb the rest. No one wants them. Many in jordan were given citizenship but it was later revoked. Lebanon also gave some citizenship but it too was later revoked.
They belong to the UN.

Palestine's Peace Bomb
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/19/255972.html

 

[aris2chat]

>>Based on the Official Gazette (No. 53 dated November 10, 2011), Decree 6690 revoked the Lebanese citizenship of Palestinians who were registered as refugees with UNRWA (The United Nations Relief and Works Agency) when they were naturalised. Granting Lebanese citizenship to such Palestinians would breach the Lebanese Constitution and a directive by the Arab League against the settlement of Palestinians outside their home country<<

So true that no Arab nation wants Palestinians. Who can blame them? And yet Israel still allows the Palestinians to remain in Israel for which Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

Admittedly - I am not sure of the logistics or politics here - but would Israel have allowed the influx of refugees into WB? I always assumed it was pretty restricted. I can't see how it could work in Gaza - there don't seem to be enough resources there and entry/exit is pretty restricted isn't it?

It's horrible that refugees out of Syria are further divided by ethnic origin and treated based on that - it is unbelievable and the countries willing to take them are overwelmed.

There are more syria refugees than palestinian refugees. UN set up a branch just for the palestinans. There are more afghan refugee right not. There was not UN for the Kurdish refugees, countries absorbed them.
Keeping palestinans are refugees is political. It is not about Israel not allowing refugees to go to the west bank. It has right after oslo. Those that be, don't want the refugees in the west bank because then their would be no reason for them to "return" to Israel.
If just the women and those more in need were transferred to the west bank for safety during the civil war then "if" there was a return of some palestinians to Israel they they could be reunited after them fact. There has been a standing offer of taking in 100,000 refugees to Israel, but the arab states would have to absorb the rest. No one wants them. Many in jordan were given citizenship but it was later revoked. Lebanon also gave some citizenship but it too was later revoked.
They belong to the UN.

Palestine's Peace Bomb
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/19/255972.html

 

[MJB12741]

Strange how we never hear any complaints from the Palestinians or their supporters about all the horrendous injustices inflicted upon the Palestinians by their own Arab brothers in Arab countries. I guess that's just part of Palestinian mentality.

>>Based on the Official Gazette (No. 53 dated November 10, 2011), Decree 6690 revoked the Lebanese citizenship of Palestinians who were registered as refugees with UNRWA (The United Nations Relief and Works Agency) when they were naturalised. Granting Lebanese citizenship to such Palestinians would breach the Lebanese Constitution and a directive by the Arab League against the settlement of Palestinians outside their home country<<

So true that no Arab nation wants Palestinians. Who can blame them? And yet Israel still allows the Palestinians to remain in Israel for which Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

There are more syria refugees than palestinian refugees. UN set up a branch just for the palestinans. There are more afghan refugee right not. There was not UN for the Kurdish refugees, countries absorbed them.
Keeping palestinans are refugees is political. It is not about Israel not allowing refugees to go to the west bank. It has right after oslo. Those that be, don't want the refugees in the west bank because then their would be no reason for them to "return" to Israel.
If just the women and those more in need were transferred to the west bank for safety during the civil war then "if" there was a return of some palestinians to Israel they they could be reunited after them fact. There has been a standing offer of taking in 100,000 refugees to Israel, but the arab states would have to absorb the rest. No one wants them. Many in jordan were given citizenship but it was later revoked. Lebanon also gave some citizenship but it too was later revoked.
They belong to the UN.

Palestine's Peace Bomb
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/19/255972.html

 

[toastman]

So true that no Arab nation wants Palestinians. Who can blame them? And yet Israel still allows the Palestinians to remain in Israel for which Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

Admittedly - I am not sure of the logistics or politics here - but would Israel have allowed the influx of refugees into WB? I always assumed it was pretty restricted. I can't see how it could work in Gaza - there don't seem to be enough resources there and entry/exit is pretty restricted isn't it?

It's horrible that refugees out of Syria are further divided by ethnic origin and treated based on that - it is unbelievable and the countries willing to take them are overwelmed.

There are more syria refugees than palestinian refugees. UN set up a branch just for the palestinans. There are more afghan refugee right not. There was not UN for the Kurdish refugees, countries absorbed them.
Keeping palestinans are refugees is political. It is not about Israel not allowing refugees to go to the west bank. It has right after oslo. Those that be, don't want the refugees in the west bank because then their would be no reason for them to "return" to Israel.
If just the women and those more in need were transferred to the west bank for safety during the civil war then "if" there was a return of some palestinians to Israel they they could be reunited after them fact. There has been a standing offer of taking in 100,000 refugees to Israel, but the arab states would have to absorb the rest. No one wants them. Many in jordan were given citizenship but it was later revoked. Lebanon also gave some citizenship but it too was later revoked.
They belong to the UN.

Palestine's Peace Bomb
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/19/255972.html

The truth is , that after the 6 day war, Israel could have expelled every Palestinian Arab out of Israel and the West Bank, but to the surprise of Israelis and even the Palestinians Arabs, Moshe Dayan allowed the remainder of the Arabs who werent expelled or who didnt flee, to remain.
If he were alive now, I'm sure he would regret that decision

 

[MJB12741]

So true. And let the truth be known to all.

So true that no Arab nation wants Palestinians. Who can blame them? And yet Israel still allows the Palestinians to remain in Israel for which Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

There are more syria refugees than palestinian refugees. UN set up a branch just for the palestinans. There are more afghan refugee right not. There was not UN for the Kurdish refugees, countries absorbed them.
Keeping palestinans are refugees is political. It is not about Israel not allowing refugees to go to the west bank. It has right after oslo. Those that be, don't want the refugees in the west bank because then their would be no reason for them to "return" to Israel.
If just the women and those more in need were transferred to the west bank for safety during the civil war then "if" there was a return of some palestinians to Israel they they could be reunited after them fact. There has been a standing offer of taking in 100,000 refugees to Israel, but the arab states would have to absorb the rest. No one wants them. Many in jordan were given citizenship but it was later revoked. Lebanon also gave some citizenship but it too was later revoked.
They belong to the UN.

Palestine's Peace Bomb
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/19/255972.html

The truth is , that after the 6 day war, Israel could have expelled every Palestinian Arab out of Israel and the West Bank, but to the surprise of Israelis and even the Palestinians Arabs, Moshe Dayan allowed the remainder of the Arabs who werent expelled or who didnt flee, to remain.
If he were alive now, I'm sure he would regret that decision

 

[MJB12741]

The only lasting peace ever established from Palestinians was king Hussein's Black September. When will Israel ever learn? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

So true. And let the truth be known to all.

So true that no Arab nation wants Palestinians. Who can blame them? And yet Israel still allows the Palestinians to remain in Israel for which Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

The truth is , that after the 6 day war, Israel could have expelled every Palestinian Arab out of Israel and the West Bank, but to the surprise of Israelis and even the Palestinians Arabs, Moshe Dayan allowed the remainder of the Arabs who werent expelled or who didnt flee, to remain.
If he were alive now, I'm sure he would regret that decision

 

[irosie91]

So true. And let the truth be known to all.

So true that no Arab nation wants Palestinians. Who can blame them? And yet Israel still allows the Palestinians to remain in Israel for which Israel is thanked with rocket missiles.

The truth is , that after the 6 day war, Israel could have expelled every Palestinian Arab out of Israel and the West Bank, but to the surprise of Israelis and even the Palestinians Arabs, Moshe Dayan allowed the remainder of the Arabs who werent expelled or who didnt flee, to remain.

If he were alive now, I'm sure he would regret that decision

MJB----think again----your memory is off-----Dayan URGED all those
who fled-----to return. Lots of kids and women shipped off
from east jerusalem and the west bank to jordan-----but they returned
at the URGING of that "genius" Dayan . A few months later
Leah Dayan was on USA TV----advertising arab crafts-----trying to
stimulate a livelihood for the beloved arabs of the west bank. I
was young and stupid----I thought "OH GOOD---Now there will be
peace" -------see? Moshe Dayan was not stupid alone----I was
just as much an idiot. It was the 60s THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

 

[Hossfly]

So true. And let the truth be known to all.

The truth is , that after the 6 day war, Israel could have expelled every Palestinian Arab out of Israel and the West Bank, but to the surprise of Israelis and even the Palestinians Arabs, Moshe Dayan allowed the remainder of the Arabs who werent expelled or who didnt flee, to remain.

If he were alive now, I'm sure he would regret that decision

MJB----think again----your memory is off-----Dayan URGED all those
who fled-----to return. Lots of kids and women shipped off
from east jerusalem and the west bank to jordan-----but they returned
at the URGING of that "genius" Dayan . A few months later
Leah Dayan was on USA TV----advertising arab crafts-----trying to
stimulate a livelihood for the beloved arabs of the west bank. I
was young and stupid----I thought "OH GOOD---Now there will be
peace" -------see? Moshe Dayan was not stupid alone----I was
just as much an idiot. It was the 60s THE AGE OF AQUARIUS

Good news! The carrot on a stick the Palestinians have always used has turned rotten. No more suckers to believe those lying heathens.

 

[irosie91]

Now that I think about it----I seem to remember that Mrs Dayan was RACHEL DAYAN ----not Leah Dayan----sorry----
I think I got it right this time------anyone interested ---can
google. In 1967---she appeared on the tonight show-----
I think Johnny Carson was the Emcee then----but ----I am not
sure. MJB is not the only player here with memory issues--
for that matter----it could have been the DICK CAVETT SHOW---anyone remember him?

 

[MJB12741]

The problem is those Zionists in Israel just can't seem to understand the unforgivable injustice they have dished out to Palestinians with peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel. Consider the facts. Just look what happened when Israel gave in to the Palestinian demand for a Jew free Gaza. Hamas & Fatah Palestinians massacred each other in record numbers. And somehow those Zionists expected the Palestinians to bless Israel for allowing them to live under their own self determination without being able to suck off of Israel any longer to provide for them. Want peace betwenn Israel & the Palestinians? This entire Zionist agenda has to go & Israel has to treat the Palestisnians with the same Arab country love the Palestinians are so well accustomed to & so well deserve. History has proven that king Hussein was right. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY.

Now that I think about it----I seem to remember that Mrs Dayan was RACHEL DAYAN ----not Leah Dayan----sorry----
I think I got it right this time------anyone interested ---can
google. In 1967---she appeared on the tonight show-----
I think Johnny Carson was the Emcee then----but ----I am not
sure. MJB is not the only player here with memory issues--
for that matter----it could have been the DICK CAVETT SHOW---anyone remember him?