Arctic Ice

[gipper]

It would be hard to find a more totally insane denier cult delusion than this one that SSoooDDumb so moronically expresses

Thunder, you don't have to look far to find someone who is crazy as a shithouse rat...seek the nearest mirror...just look at the quality and tone of your posts...just go back a single day and you will see the ravings of someone who is standing on, if not already fallen over the precipice of madness...you talk like a raving lunatic.

I would have thought the polar ice cap disappeared long ago (if one choose to believe crazy warmers)....you mean to tell me the ice cap still exists. WTF!

You mean that you are still playing the ignoramous? The Northwest Passage was predicted to open up in the latter half of this century. It opened in 2007, and last year, a very large luxury cruise liner transited the Passage. That you have to tell lies about what was predicted, and what has actually occurred is an indication of your basic dishonesty.

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

 

[Old Rocks]

It would be hard to find a more totally insane denier cult delusion than this one that SSoooDDumb so moronically expresses

Thunder, you don't have to look far to find someone who is crazy as a shithouse rat...seek the nearest mirror...just look at the quality and tone of your posts...just go back a single day and you will see the ravings of someone who is standing on, if not already fallen over the precipice of madness...you talk like a raving lunatic.

I would have thought the polar ice cap disappeared long ago (if one choose to believe crazy warmers)....you mean to tell me the ice cap still exists. WTF!

You mean that you are still playing the ignoramous? The Northwest Passage was predicted to open up in the latter half of this century. It opened in 2007, and last year, a very large luxury cruise liner transited the Passage. That you have to tell lies about what was predicted, and what has actually occurred is an indication of your basic dishonesty.

Still spewing the same old lies...I asked you before and you ran away...and since it is fun to see you run away, I will ask you again...Looking at this gold standard temperature reconstruction made from ice cores taken above the arctic circle, tell me rocks...what do you think the arctic ice has looked like for most of the past 10,000 years?

This is what it looked like according to someone who actually paid attention in class..

Supplement to: Stein, R et al. (2017): Holocene variability in sea ice cover, primary production, and Pacific-Water inflow and climate change in the Chukchi and East Siberian Seas (Arctic Ocean). Journal of Quaternary Science, doi:10.1002/jqs.2929

In this study, we present new detailed biomarker-based sea ice records from two sediment cores recovered in the Chukchi Sea and the East Siberian Sea. These new biomarker data may provide new insights on processes controlling recent and past sea ice changes. The biomarker proxy records show (i) minimum sea ice extent during the Early Holocene, (ii) a prominent Mid-Holocene short-term high-amplitude variability in sea ice, primary production and Pacific-Water inflow, and (iii) significantly increased sea ice extent during the last ca. 4.5k cal a BP. This Late Holocene trend in sea ice change in the Chukchi and East Siberian Seas seems to be contemporaneous with similar changes in sea ice extent recorded from other Arctic marginal seas. The main factors controlling the millennial variability in sea ice (and surface-water productivity) are probably changes in surface water and heat flow from the Pacific into the Arctic Ocean as well as the long-term decrease in summer insolation. The short-term centennial variability observed in the high-resolution Middle Holocene record is probably related to solar forcing. Our new data on Holocene sea ice variability may contribute to synoptic reconstructions of regional to global Holocene climate change based on terrestrial and marine archives.

So, we have been steadily increasing ice area for 4500 years in the Arctic. But now we are very rapidly melting that increase. In other words, something has changed the natural progression of the Milankovic Cycles.

 

[SSDD]

Again....since it is clear that you can't bear to tell the truth...how does the volume of arctic ice now compare with the volume of arctic ice for most of the past 10,000 years?

 

[mamooth]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

 

[mamooth]

Again....since it is clear that you can't bear to tell the truth...how does the volume of arctic ice now compare with the volume of arctic ice for most of the past 10,000 years?

What does that dishonest evasion have to do with the fact that M. cycles are driving the earth into a cooling phase? The current "natural" cycle is cooling, hence it is not possible for "warming" to be part of the natural cycle.

And can you make up your mind? You fliipflop helplessly between "there's no warming" and "the warming is a natural cycle!". It really kills your credibility, the way you can't settle on a consistent conspiracy theory.

 

[jc456]

It would be hard to find a more totally insane denier cult delusion than this one that SSoooDDumb so moronically expresses

Thunder, you don't have to look far to find someone who is crazy as a shithouse rat...seek the nearest mirror...just look at the quality and tone of your posts...just go back a single day and you will see the ravings of someone who is standing on, if not already fallen over the precipice of madness...you talk like a raving lunatic.

I would have thought the polar ice cap disappeared long ago (if one choose to believe crazy warmers)....you mean to tell me the ice cap still exists. WTF!

You mean that you are still playing the ignoramous? The Northwest Passage was predicted to open up in the latter half of this century. It opened in 2007, and last year, a very large luxury cruise liner transited the Passage. That you have to tell lies about what was predicted, and what has actually occurred is an indication of your basic dishonesty.

So fking what?

 

[RollingThunder]

And yet, thunder, the arctic is is at a greater extent now than it has been for most of the past 10,000 years.

Your propaganda memes are improving, SSoooDDumb, but they are still just denier cult bullshit. Clever of your puppetmaster propaganda pushers to pick "the past 10,000 years", since that is almost true, albeit irrelevant.....if you had claimed the 'past 5000 years', that would be dead wrong.

Scientists are well aware that at the end of the last period of heavy glaciation around ten or eleven thousand years ago, the Earth warmed up and that that very slow gentle warming continued for thousands of years until it culminated in a period in mid-Holocene, called the 'Holocene Thermal Maximum', which was almost as hot as it is now and Arctic sea ice was almost as low. After that, for the last 5000 years, natural orbital cycles were causing a long slow cooling and Arctic ice expanded to average extents for the last thousand years or so that were about what was considered normal Arctic ice in 1800 or so. The world has now warmed up in just a century by as much as it had cooled over the previous 5000 years.

In the real world....Arctic sea ice is at the lowest extent and volume it has been for the last four or five thousand years, at least......possibly as much as 125,000 years ago during the peak of the previous interglacial.

Kaufman et al. (2009) reconstructed past Arctic temperatures, and confirmed that the Arctic had been cooling for at least the past 2,000 years prior to the 20th Century, and found an Arctic temperature 'hockey stick' (Figure 1).

Figure 1: Arctic temperature change reconstructed by Kaufmann et al. (2009)including data updated for corrigendum and including instrumental measurements for the Arctic region (60 to 90° N) from NASA.

Perhaps the authoritative paper on Arctic sea ice extent over the past 1,450 years is Kinnard et al. (2011), which used a combination of Arctic ice core, tree ring, and lake sediment data to reconstruct past Arctic conditions. The results are shown in Figure 2.



Figure 2: Arctic sea ice extent over the past 1,450 years reconstructed from proxy data by Kinnard et al., with a 40-year low pass filter applied. Note that the modern observational data in this figure extend through 2008, and thus it is a close approximation of current conditions, even though the extent is not as low as current annual data due to the 40-year smoothing.

Based on the Kinnard results, Arctic sea ice extent is currently lower than at any time in at least the past 1,450 years.

Polyak et al. (2010) looked at Arctic sea ice changes throughout geologic history and noted that the current rate of loss appears to be more rapid than natural variability can account for in the historical record.

"The current reduction in Arctic ice cover started in the late 19th century, consistent with the rapidly warming climate, and became very pronounced over the last three decades. This ice loss appears to be unmatched over at least the last few thousand years and unexplainable by any of the known natural variabilities."

[QuoteStein et al]
Robust substantiation for the trends documented in this new Arctic sea ice record comes from a 2005 paper by Lassen and Thejll entitled “Multi-decadal variation of the East Greenland Sea- Ice Extent: AD 1500-2000.” Shown below is an annotated graph from the paper revealing Iceland’s sea ice cover during the last millennium. These scientists also link sea ice variations to solar activity, namely solar cycle length. Notice the direct correspondence between the Arctic trends as a whole (from Stein et al., 2017) and the trends for Iceland.

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Such desperate hokum and deceit, SSoooDDumb! LOLOLOLOL.

A partial quote from a scientific paper that leaves out the key part where thay say: "significantly increased sea ice extent during the last 4.5 thousand years".....

....And then two altered, meaningless graphs from a lying denier cult blog.

LOLOLOLOL

 

[gipper]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

 

[RollingThunder]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

Yup! You sure enough have "no need" to "learn the basics"', gimper, you are obviously too retarded to understand them anyway. You should know "bullshit", bozo, considering how full of it you are. Otherwise, you are totally clueless.

No, dumbass, climate scientists DID NOT predict that the "polar ice caps" would have melted by now, or that coastlines "the world over, would be underwater" by now. That's one of your deranged and fraudulent denier cult myths. The ice at both poles is, in fact, melting at accelerating rates, with the rate of melting higher around the North Pole.....but NO ONE claimed that they would be all melted by now, you silly liar. No climate scientists ever said that all the "coastlines, the world over", would be underwater by now. Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate and places like Miami are already experiencing experiencing periodic flooding, which will only get worse.

Why do you choose to believe the fraudulent, anti-science, self-serving propaganda produced by the fossil fuel industry in their criminal attempts to deceive the public about the scientifically confirmed reality and dangers of human caused global warming and its inevitable and consequent climate changes? Is it mostly just your severe retardation? Or is it more your braindead allegiance to your crackpot semi-fascist political and economic ideologies?

 

[gipper]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

Yup! You sure enough have "no need" to "learn the basics"', gimper, you are obviously too retarded to understand them anyway. You should know "bullshit", bozo, considering how full of it you are. Otherwise, you are totally clueless.

No, dumbass, climate scientists DID NOT predict that the "polar ice caps" would have melted by now, or that coastlines "the world over, would be underwater" by now. That's one of your deranged and fraudulent denier cult myths. The ice at both poles is, in fact, melting at accelerating rates, with the rate of melting higher around the North Pole.....but NO ONE claimed that they would be all melted by now, you silly liar. No climate scientists ever said that all the "coastlines, the world over", would be underwater by now. Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate and places like Miami are already experiencing experiencing periodic flooding, which will only get worse.

Why do you choose to believe the fraudulent, anti-science, self-serving propaganda produced by the fossil fuel industry in their criminal attempts to deceive the public about the scientifically confirmed reality and dangers of human caused global warming and its inevitable and consequent climate changes? Is it mostly just your severe retardation? Or is it more your braindead allegiance to your crackpot semi-fascist political and economic ideologies?

Al Gore, the high priest of your church, did. You will no doubt be excommunicated for that post. I hope you won't cry or have a mental break down. Maybe if you go warmer confession, they will grant you absolution.

Warmers really do make me LMFAO!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

Yup! You sure enough have "no need" to "learn the basics"', gimper, you are obviously too retarded to understand them anyway. You should know "bullshit", bozo, considering how full of it you are. Otherwise, you are totally clueless.

No, dumbass, climate scientists DID NOT predict that the "polar ice caps" would have melted by now, or that coastlines "the world over, would be underwater" by now. That's one of your deranged and fraudulent denier cult myths. The ice at both poles is, in fact, melting at accelerating rates, with the rate of melting higher around the North Pole.....but NO ONE claimed that they would be all melted by now, you silly liar. No climate scientists ever said that all the "coastlines, the world over", would be underwater by now. Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate and places like Miami are already experiencing experiencing periodic flooding, which will only get worse.

Why do you choose to believe the fraudulent, anti-science, self-serving propaganda produced by the fossil fuel industry in their criminal attempts to deceive the public about the scientifically confirmed reality and dangers of human caused global warming and its inevitable and consequent climate changes? Is it mostly just your severe retardation? Or is it more your braindead allegiance to your crackpot semi-fascist political and economic ideologies?

Al Gore, the high priest of your church, did.

Nope! He didn't say anything like that either, numbnuts, not that it would matter since he isn't a climate scientist but just a messenger. You really are quite insane!

 

[gipper]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

Yup! You sure enough have "no need" to "learn the basics"', gimper, you are obviously too retarded to understand them anyway. You should know "bullshit", bozo, considering how full of it you are. Otherwise, you are totally clueless.

No, dumbass, climate scientists DID NOT predict that the "polar ice caps" would have melted by now, or that coastlines "the world over, would be underwater" by now. That's one of your deranged and fraudulent denier cult myths. The ice at both poles is, in fact, melting at accelerating rates, with the rate of melting higher around the North Pole.....but NO ONE claimed that they would be all melted by now, you silly liar. No climate scientists ever said that all the "coastlines, the world over", would be underwater by now. Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate and places like Miami are already experiencing experiencing periodic flooding, which will only get worse.

Why do you choose to believe the fraudulent, anti-science, self-serving propaganda produced by the fossil fuel industry in their criminal attempts to deceive the public about the scientifically confirmed reality and dangers of human caused global warming and its inevitable and consequent climate changes? Is it mostly just your severe retardation? Or is it more your braindead allegiance to your crackpot semi-fascist political and economic ideologies?

Al Gore, the high priest of your church, did.

Nope! He didn't say anything like that either, numbnuts, not that it would matter since he isn't a climate scientist but just a messenger. You really are quite insane!

You really are a BELIEVER...good for you. Could you at least understand what your church espouses?

Watch as San Francisco and Florida MAGICALLY DISAPPEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There it goes....oh nnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!


Oh no....we are all going to DIE!!!

 

[RollingThunder]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

Yup! You sure enough have "no need" to "learn the basics"', gimper, you are obviously too retarded to understand them anyway. You should know "bullshit", bozo, considering how full of it you are. Otherwise, you are totally clueless.

No, dumbass, climate scientists DID NOT predict that the "polar ice caps" would have melted by now, or that coastlines "the world over, would be underwater" by now. That's one of your deranged and fraudulent denier cult myths. The ice at both poles is, in fact, melting at accelerating rates, with the rate of melting higher around the North Pole.....but NO ONE claimed that they would be all melted by now, you silly liar. No climate scientists ever said that all the "coastlines, the world over", would be underwater by now. Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate and places like Miami are already experiencing experiencing periodic flooding, which will only get worse.

Why do you choose to believe the fraudulent, anti-science, self-serving propaganda produced by the fossil fuel industry in their criminal attempts to deceive the public about the scientifically confirmed reality and dangers of human caused global warming and its inevitable and consequent climate changes? Is it mostly just your severe retardation? Or is it more your braindead allegiance to your crackpot semi-fascist political and economic ideologies?

Al Gore, the high priest of your church, did.

Nope! He didn't say anything like that either, numbnuts, not that it would matter since he isn't a climate scientist but just a messenger. You really are quite insane!

You really are a BELIEVER...

....Yup, in science, evidence, rationality and logic...yes, I confess, I am a "BELIEVER".....unfortunately those are all things you, like a good little denier cult nutjob, reject, deny or are too stupid to understand.

I already told that former Vice-President Gore never claimed that any large scale flooding would be happening by now, gimper, although he certainly says that that will eventually happen as the planet warms up, a fact that is affirmed by virtually all of the climate scientists on Earth....and I also told you that what Gore says doesn't matter as far as the scientific facts are concerned because he isn't a climate scientist, just a messenger trying to convey the science to the public. You are still really quite insane!

 

[gipper]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

Yup! You sure enough have "no need" to "learn the basics"', gimper, you are obviously too retarded to understand them anyway. You should know "bullshit", bozo, considering how full of it you are. Otherwise, you are totally clueless.

No, dumbass, climate scientists DID NOT predict that the "polar ice caps" would have melted by now, or that coastlines "the world over, would be underwater" by now. That's one of your deranged and fraudulent denier cult myths. The ice at both poles is, in fact, melting at accelerating rates, with the rate of melting higher around the North Pole.....but NO ONE claimed that they would be all melted by now, you silly liar. No climate scientists ever said that all the "coastlines, the world over", would be underwater by now. Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate and places like Miami are already experiencing experiencing periodic flooding, which will only get worse.

Why do you choose to believe the fraudulent, anti-science, self-serving propaganda produced by the fossil fuel industry in their criminal attempts to deceive the public about the scientifically confirmed reality and dangers of human caused global warming and its inevitable and consequent climate changes? Is it mostly just your severe retardation? Or is it more your braindead allegiance to your crackpot semi-fascist political and economic ideologies?

Al Gore, the high priest of your church, did.

Nope! He didn't say anything like that either, numbnuts, not that it would matter since he isn't a climate scientist but just a messenger. You really are quite insane!

You really are a BELIEVER...

....Yup, in science, evidence, rationality and logic...yes, I confess, I am a "BELIEVER".....unfortunately those are all things you, like a good little denier cult nutjob, reject, deny or are too stupid to understand.

I already told that former Vice-President Gore never claimed that any large scale flooding would be happening by now, gimper, although he certainly says that that will eventually happen as the planet warms up, a fact that is affirmed by virtually all of the climate scientists on Earth....and I also told you that what Gore says doesn't matter as far as the scientific facts are concerned because he isn't a climate scientist, just a messenger trying to convey the science to the public. You are still really quite insane!

You are very good at researching, but alas being a warmer means you are a dupe for the ruling class and don't know it.

 

[RollingThunder]

...and yet Manhattan, Fire Island, Florida , and the entire coastline of the USA is unchanged. You Warmers claimed it would be under water when the polar ice cap melted

The polar ice cap hasn't melted. It's still right there, in Antarctica.

WTF dummy...stop being a dupe for the criminal ruling class.

How about you learn the basics before jumping in? You'll look less brainwashed and clueless that way.

No need...I know bullshit when I see it and particularly when it comes from the criminal ruling class. Stop being a dupe for the ruling class.

The high priests of the Church of Warmers said many years ago, the polar ice caps will melt and coastlines the world over, would be underwater. Why did you choose to believe lies from the criminal ruling class?

Yup! You sure enough have "no need" to "learn the basics"', gimper, you are obviously too retarded to understand them anyway. You should know "bullshit", bozo, considering how full of it you are. Otherwise, you are totally clueless.

No, dumbass, climate scientists DID NOT predict that the "polar ice caps" would have melted by now, or that coastlines "the world over, would be underwater" by now. That's one of your deranged and fraudulent denier cult myths. The ice at both poles is, in fact, melting at accelerating rates, with the rate of melting higher around the North Pole.....but NO ONE claimed that they would be all melted by now, you silly liar. No climate scientists ever said that all the "coastlines, the world over", would be underwater by now. Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate and places like Miami are already experiencing experiencing periodic flooding, which will only get worse.

Why do you choose to believe the fraudulent, anti-science, self-serving propaganda produced by the fossil fuel industry in their criminal attempts to deceive the public about the scientifically confirmed reality and dangers of human caused global warming and its inevitable and consequent climate changes? Is it mostly just your severe retardation? Or is it more your braindead allegiance to your crackpot semi-fascist political and economic ideologies?

Al Gore, the high priest of your church, did.

Nope! He didn't say anything like that either, numbnuts, not that it would matter since he isn't a climate scientist but just a messenger. You really are quite insane!

You really are a BELIEVER...

....Yup, in science, evidence, rationality and logic...yes, I confess, I am a "BELIEVER".....unfortunately those are all things you, like a good little denier cult nutjob, reject, deny or are too stupid to understand.

I already told that former Vice-President Gore never claimed that any large scale flooding would be happening by now, gimper, although he certainly says that that will eventually happen as the planet warms up, a fact that is affirmed by virtually all of the climate scientists on Earth....and I also told you that what Gore says doesn't matter as far as the scientific facts are concerned because he isn't a climate scientist, just a messenger trying to convey the science to the public. You are still really quite insane!

You are very good at researching....

If, by that, you mean that I am good at understanding and explaining the scientific facts that debunk your anti-science denier cult myths, dogmas, and lies.....then, yes, I am pretty good at that, as our exchanges demonstrate very clearly.

but alas being a warmer means you are a dupe for the ruling class and don't know it.

....but alas, you being an ignorant and very delusional denier cult nutbagger means that you are a dupe of the billionaires and corporate executives at the top of the fossil fuel industry who are using you and the other denier cult cretins as 'useful idiot' foot soldiers in their propaganda war against the future of our world, as they try to protect their profit streams and their stock prices from the implementation of the very necessary legal limits on carbon emissions....and you are too stupid to be able to recognize that fact.

 

[SSDD]

Again....since it is clear that you can't bear to tell the truth...how does the volume of arctic ice now compare with the volume of arctic ice for most of the past 10,000 years?

What does that dishonest evasion have to do with the fact that M. cycles are driving the earth into a cooling phase? The current "natural" cycle is cooling, hence it is not possible for "warming" to be part of the natural cycle.

And can you make up your mind? You fliipflop helplessly between "there's no warming" and "the warming is a natural cycle!". It really kills your credibility, the way you can't settle on a consistent conspiracy theory.

Do you have the first piece of actual observed, measured, quantified, empirical evidence to support that claim?...of course you don't.

 

[SSDD]

And yet, thunder, the arctic is is at a greater extent now than it has been for most of the past 10,000 years.

Your propaganda memes are improving, SSoooDDumb, but they are still just denier cult bullshit. Clever of your puppetmaster propaganda pushers to pick "the past 10,000 years", since that is almost true, albeit irrelevant.....if you had claimed the 'past 5000 years', that would be dead wrong.

Shortening one's view...espeically where natural cycles are involved is not good science...shortening one's view in order to make claims that will be acted on politically is nothing more than replacing science with political propaganda. In actual science, where natural cycles are evolved, the longer the view the better...and when something happens that is outside of natural variability, then you know something unusual is going on...at present, nothing is happening that is even close to the boundaries of natural variability.

 

[Crick]

Picking views irrelevant to human history to get the result you're looking for is dishonest.

 

[mamooth]

When data contradicts denier religious beliefs, deniers madly try to deflect from the topic. And being data always contradicts deniers now, they're always deflecting.

Getting back on topic, the Arctic sea ice maximum for 2017 was reached, and set a new record low.

Lowest maximum on record (again)
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It's a new lowest maximum record, and the third time in a row that extent stayed below the 14 million km2 mark. The previous lowest max on record was reached in 2015 (13.942 million km2), almost beaten last year (13.959 million km2), but this year SIE went lower still and peaked at 13.878 million km2.
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[SSDD]

Picking views irrelevant to human history to get the result you're looking for is dishonest.

We are talking about natural cycles you idiot...shortening one's views of natural cycles in an effort to discount the larger view and attempt to focus on some minor change that can be blamed on humans is dishonest...you know as well as I that if one looks at the larger view, the claims that you wackos are making become truly comical...natural cycles are important without regard to human history and the more you know about them, the more you realize that our impact on them is non existent...I'm afraid that your thinking represents the sort of pseudoscientific dishonesty that climate science is guilty of.