Arctic Ice

[SSDD]

When data contradicts denier religious beliefs, deniers madly try to deflect from the topic. And being data always contradicts deniers now, they're always deflecting.

Getting back on topic, the Arctic sea ice maximum for 2017 was reached, and set a new record low.

Lowest maximum on record (again)
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It's a new lowest maximum record, and the third time in a row that extent stayed below the 14 million km2 mark. The previous lowest max on record was reached in 2015 (13.942 million km2), almost beaten last year (13.959 million km2), but this year SIE went lower still and peaked at 13.878 million km2.
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Again...taking the short view because you believe you can make political gain of it when in fact, even the lowest volume represented there is far greater than the volume of arctic ice has been for most of the past 10,000 years...

 

[RollingThunder]

Picking views irrelevant to human history to get the result you're looking for is dishonest.

We are talking about natural cycles you idiot.

Nope! We are not talking about "natural cycles", you lying retard, because you can not point to any that could be causing this abrupt rapid warming. Just saying "natural cycles" like it was a magic word means nothing. You have to be able to identify such supposed cycles....and you can't because, for one thing, you are an ignorant retard, and, most importantly, there aren't any that could possibly be responsible for the warming.

The only "natural cycles" affecting the climate for the last 5000 years have been causing a slow cooling. It is the un-natural addition to the atmosphere of massive amounts of previously deeply sequestered carbon dioxide, caused by human activities, that has caused the current rapid abrupt warming the world has experience over the last century or so.

Paleoclimate: The End of the Holocene
RealClimate
Dr. Stefan Rahmstorf
16 September 2013
(excerpts)
Recently a group of researchers from Harvard and Oregon State University has published the first global temperature reconstruction for the last 11,000 years – that’s the whole Holocene (Marcott et al. 2013).

Over the last decades, numerous researchers have painstakingly collected, analyzed, dated, and calibrated many data series that allow us to reconstruct climate before the age of direct measurements. Such data come e.g. from sediment drilling in the deep sea, from corals, ice cores and other sources. Shaun Marcott and colleagues for the first time assembled 73 such data sets from around the world into a global temperature reconstruction for the Holocene, published in Science. Or strictly speaking, many such reconstructions: they have tried about twenty different averaging methods and also carried out 1,000 Monte Carlo simulations with random errors added to the dating of the individual data series to demonstrate the robustness of their results.

To show the main result straight away, it looks like this:


Figure 1 Blue curve: Global temperature reconstruction from proxy data of Marcott et al, Science 2013. Shown here is the RegEM version – significant differences between the variants with different averaging methods arise only towards the end, where the number of proxy series decreases. This does not matter since the recent temperature evolution is well known from instrumental measurements, shown in red (global temperature from the instrumental HadCRU data). Graph: Klaus Bitterman.

The climate curve looks like a “hump”. At the beginning of the Holocene – after the end of the last Ice Age – global temperature increased, and subsequently it decreased again by 0.7 ° C over the past 5000 years. The well-known transition from the relatively warm Medieval into the “little ice age” turns out to be part of a much longer-term cooling, which ended abruptly with the rapid warming of the 20th Century. Within a hundred years, the cooling of the previous 5000 years was undone. (One result of this is, for example, that the famous iceman ‘Ötzi’, who disappeared under ice 5000 years ago, reappeared in 1991.)

 

[RollingThunder]

When data contradicts denier religious beliefs, deniers madly try to deflect from the topic. And being data always contradicts deniers now, they're always deflecting.

Getting back on topic, the Arctic sea ice maximum for 2017 was reached, and set a new record low.

Lowest maximum on record (again)
---
It's a new lowest maximum record, and the third time in a row that extent stayed below the 14 million km2 mark. The previous lowest max on record was reached in 2015 (13.942 million km2), almost beaten last year (13.959 million km2), but this year SIE went lower still and peaked at 13.878 million km2.
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Again...taking the short view because you believe you can make political gain of it when in fact, even the lowest volume represented there is far greater than the volume of arctic ice has been for most of the past 10,000 years...

You take whatever long or short view you imagine you can turn into your idiotic "political gain" bullshit, SSoooDDumb, but that has nothing to do with what science tells us is the reality of the current situation.

The current extent and volume of the Arctic sea ice is very definitely much lower than it has been for pretty much the entire last 5000 years, and that is what is relevant to human civilization and the un-natural human caused climate changes that threaten our civilization, our agricultural systems and the viability of the Earth's ecology and biosphere.

 

[westwall]

Wow, this thread was started in 2009. And the Arctic ice is STILL THERE! Holy crap batman! The claim was it was going to be gone by 2013! Here's the BBC report making that claim... I love these necro threads. They demonstrate just how divorced from reality you anti science nutjobs are.

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

 

[RollingThunder]

Wow, this thread was started in 2009. And the Arctic ice is STILL THERE!

Nope! Not all of it. Since 2009, approximately 10% of the sea ice that was there has melted.

Right now in the Arctic....

Arctic sea ice extent for February 2017 averaged 14.28 million square kilometers (5.51 million square miles), the lowest February extent in the 38-year satellite record. This is 40,000 square kilometers (15,400 square miles) below February 2016, the previous lowest extent for the month, and 1.18 million square kilometers (455,600 square miles) below the February 1981 to 2010 long term average.
(source - National Snow and Ice Data Center)

Monthly February ice extent for 1979 to 2017 shows a decline of 3 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

And, BTW, the graph above that shows a decline of only 3% per decade, that only is referring to the extent in February, in the deepest winter, close to the maximum extent for the year.

At the end of summer, when the Arctic sea ice is near its minimum, the rate of decline per decade is much higher, over 10% per decade.

Monthly August ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 10.4 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

The claim was it was going to be gone by 2013! Here's the BBC report making that claim...

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

Oooooh, one scientist out of thousands made a prediction that differed from those of his colleagues......and you denier cult nutbagger all get your panties in a twist.....

Of course, what he was actually saying was:

A paper by principal investigator Professor Wieslaw Maslowski in the Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences sets out some of the findings so far of the research project:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."



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[westwall]

Wow, this thread was started in 2009. And the Arctic ice is STILL THERE!

Nope! Not all of it. Since 2009, approximately 10% of the sea ice that was there has melted.

Right now in the Arctic....

Arctic sea ice extent for February 2017 averaged 14.28 million square kilometers (5.51 million square miles), the lowest February extent in the 38-year satellite record. This is 40,000 square kilometers (15,400 square miles) below February 2016, the previous lowest extent for the month, and 1.18 million square kilometers (455,600 square miles) below the February 1981 to 2010 long term average.
(source - National Snow and Ice Data Center)

Monthly February ice extent for 1979 to 2017 shows a decline of 3 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

And, BTW, the graph above that shows a decline of only 3% per decade, that only is referring to the extent in February, in the deepest winter, close to the maximum extent for the year.

At the end of summer, when the Arctic sea ice is near its minimum, the rate of decline per decade is much higher, over 10% per decade.

Monthly August ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 10.4 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

The claim was it was going to be gone by 2013! Here's the BBC report making that claim...

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

Oooooh, one scientist out of thousands made a prediction that differed from those of his colleagues......and you denier cult nutbagger all get your panties in a twist.....

Of course, what he was actually saying was:

A paper by principal investigator Professor Wieslaw Maslowski in the Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences sets out some of the findings so far of the research project:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."



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Thanks for the BIG pictures! Do they help you concentrate? I have heard that dumb people need big pictures because they can't understand the words. Seems to apply to you. But, for all of that my point stands. You all claimed that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013......and it's NOT!

That qualifies as an epic fail clown boy. We are FOUR long years beyond the "END OH MY GOD!", and still the ice is there.......laughing at you.

 

[RollingThunder]

You all claimed that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013......and it's NOT!

And there is the outright, bald-faced, denier cult LIE........

....As the evidence I just posted proves!

Most climate scientists are still saying that the Arctic might be ice free in summers by 2030 or maybe sooner. Given current trends, It could happen by 2020 (or 2019, which would verify Professor Makowski's prediction of 2016 plus or minus three years).

That is all the denier cultist have now....lies.....and outright denial of reality.

 

[westwall]

You all claimed that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013......and it's NOT!

And there is the outright, bald-faced, denier cult LIE........

....As the evidence I just posted proves!

Most climate scientists are still saying that the Arctic might be ice free in summers by 2030 or maybe sooner. Given current trends, It could happen by 2020 (or 2019, which would verify Professor Makowski's prediction of 2016 plus or minus three years).

That is all the denier cultist have now....lies.....and outright denial of reality.

Ummmm, I hate to break it to ya clown boy but the only liar in this thread is you and your fellow anti science religious nutjobs. You all have been bleating that the Arctic would be ice free on multiple dates throughout the 1990's and 2000's. That is an inconvenient fact that you blatherers can't dodge. That's the beauty of the internet. It exposes all of your lies and mistakes.

http://archive.350.org/sites/all/files/science-factsheet-updated2011.pdf

 

[Olde Europe]

Most climate scientists are still saying that the Arctic might be ice free in summers by 2030 or maybe sooner. Given current trends, It could happen by 2020 (or 2019, which would verify Professor Makowski's prediction of 2016 plus or minus three years).

Let the denialingdongs have their victory. The direst prediction didn't pan out. There's much to crow about, chest pounding and all. Makowski was WRONG! The Arctic ice is still there, laughing at all of us!

In the real world the trend is clear: The arctic summer ice will be gone, and fairly soon:

That's like crowing about hitting a massive boulder with their car some seconds later than predicted, in geological time scales. They're judging themselves.

 

[Old Rocks]

Wow, this thread was started in 2009. And the Arctic ice is STILL THERE!

Nope! Not all of it. Since 2009, approximately 10% of the sea ice that was there has melted.

Right now in the Arctic....

Arctic sea ice extent for February 2017 averaged 14.28 million square kilometers (5.51 million square miles), the lowest February extent in the 38-year satellite record. This is 40,000 square kilometers (15,400 square miles) below February 2016, the previous lowest extent for the month, and 1.18 million square kilometers (455,600 square miles) below the February 1981 to 2010 long term average.
(source - National Snow and Ice Data Center)

Monthly February ice extent for 1979 to 2017 shows a decline of 3 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

And, BTW, the graph above that shows a decline of only 3% per decade, that only is referring to the extent in February, in the deepest winter, close to the maximum extent for the year.

At the end of summer, when the Arctic sea ice is near its minimum, the rate of decline per decade is much higher, over 10% per decade.

Monthly August ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 10.4 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

The claim was it was going to be gone by 2013! Here's the BBC report making that claim...

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

Oooooh, one scientist out of thousands made a prediction that differed from those of his colleagues......and you denier cult nutbagger all get your panties in a twist.....

Of course, what he was actually saying was:

A paper by principal investigator Professor Wieslaw Maslowski in the Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences sets out some of the findings so far of the research project:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."



Please do NOT post full articles. Post a snip from the article, link, and your comment.

Thanks for the BIG pictures! Do they help you concentrate? I have heard that dumb people need big pictures because they can't understand the words. Seems to apply to you. But, for all of that my point stands. You all claimed that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013......and it's NOT!

That qualifies as an epic fail clown boy. We are FOUR long years beyond the "END OH MY GOD!", and still the ice is there.......laughing at you.

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Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

Mr. Westwall, ever since you have been on this board, you have been predicting cooling. So what has happened? See above, plus 3 years in a row of rising and record temperatures. You prognostications are as accurate as those of Silly Billy.

 

[westwall]

Wow, this thread was started in 2009. And the Arctic ice is STILL THERE!

Nope! Not all of it. Since 2009, approximately 10% of the sea ice that was there has melted.

Right now in the Arctic....

Arctic sea ice extent for February 2017 averaged 14.28 million square kilometers (5.51 million square miles), the lowest February extent in the 38-year satellite record. This is 40,000 square kilometers (15,400 square miles) below February 2016, the previous lowest extent for the month, and 1.18 million square kilometers (455,600 square miles) below the February 1981 to 2010 long term average.
(source - National Snow and Ice Data Center)

Monthly February ice extent for 1979 to 2017 shows a decline of 3 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

And, BTW, the graph above that shows a decline of only 3% per decade, that only is referring to the extent in February, in the deepest winter, close to the maximum extent for the year.

At the end of summer, when the Arctic sea ice is near its minimum, the rate of decline per decade is much higher, over 10% per decade.

Monthly August ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 10.4 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

The claim was it was going to be gone by 2013! Here's the BBC report making that claim...

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

Oooooh, one scientist out of thousands made a prediction that differed from those of his colleagues......and you denier cult nutbagger all get your panties in a twist.....

Of course, what he was actually saying was:

A paper by principal investigator Professor Wieslaw Maslowski in the Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences sets out some of the findings so far of the research project:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."



Please do NOT post full articles. Post a snip from the article, link, and your comment.

Thanks for the BIG pictures! Do they help you concentrate? I have heard that dumb people need big pictures because they can't understand the words. Seems to apply to you. But, for all of that my point stands. You all claimed that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013......and it's NOT!

That qualifies as an epic fail clown boy. We are FOUR long years beyond the "END OH MY GOD!", and still the ice is there.......laughing at you.

Image 2 of 4 (play slideshow) Download

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag











Thanks olfraud. Yet more BIG pictures that show the Arctic ice STILL THERE! How about showing the sea ice extent for 1970 when it was lower than it is today. How come you don't show that? Why did they choose to start their baseline as 1970 when sea ice was at its highest extent in decades? Why oh why would they do something so fraudulent as that?

 

[SSDD]

Wow, this thread was started in 2009. And the Arctic ice is STILL THERE!

Nope! Not all of it. Since 2009, approximately 10% of the sea ice that was there has melted.

Right now in the Arctic....

Arctic sea ice extent for February 2017 averaged 14.28 million square kilometers (5.51 million square miles), the lowest February extent in the 38-year satellite record. This is 40,000 square kilometers (15,400 square miles) below February 2016, the previous lowest extent for the month, and 1.18 million square kilometers (455,600 square miles) below the February 1981 to 2010 long term average.
(source - National Snow and Ice Data Center)

Monthly February ice extent for 1979 to 2017 shows a decline of 3 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

And, BTW, the graph above that shows a decline of only 3% per decade, that only is referring to the extent in February, in the deepest winter, close to the maximum extent for the year.

At the end of summer, when the Arctic sea ice is near its minimum, the rate of decline per decade is much higher, over 10% per decade.

Monthly August ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 10.4 percent per decade. - Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center

The claim was it was going to be gone by 2013! Here's the BBC report making that claim...

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'
Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

Oooooh, one scientist out of thousands made a prediction that differed from those of his colleagues......and you denier cult nutbagger all get your panties in a twist.....

Of course, what he was actually saying was:

A paper by principal investigator Professor Wieslaw Maslowski in the Annual Review of Earth and Planetary Sciences sets out some of the findings so far of the research project:

"Given the estimated trend and the volume estimate for October–November of 2007 at less than 9,000 km3, one can project that at this rate it would take only 9 more years or until 2016 ± 3 years to reach a nearly ice-free Arctic Ocean in summer. Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover."



Please do NOT post full articles. Post a snip from the article, link, and your comment.

Thanks for the BIG pictures! Do they help you concentrate? I have heard that dumb people need big pictures because they can't understand the words. Seems to apply to you. But, for all of that my point stands. You all claimed that the Arctic would be ice free by 2013......and it's NOT!

That qualifies as an epic fail clown boy. We are FOUR long years beyond the "END OH MY GOD!", and still the ice is there.......laughing at you.

Image 2 of 4 (play slideshow) Download

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

Mr. Westwall, ever since you have been on this board, you have been predicting cooling. So what has happened? See above, plus 3 years in a row of rising and record temperatures. You prognostications are as accurate as those of Silly Billy.

Thanks olfraud. Yet more BIG pictures that show the Arctic ice STILL THERE! How about showing the sea ice extent for 1970 when it was lower than it is today. How come you don't show that? Why did they choose to start their baseline as 1970 when sea ice was at its highest extent in decades? Why oh why would they do something so fraudulent as that?



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Still showing the short view for no other reason than to attempt to generate anxiety...when the fact is that in actual science, where cycles are involved, one needs to take as long a view as possible...not convenient for you, of course, because when one takes the long view, one sees that there is more ice now than there has been for most of the past 10,000 years...a great deal more ice...

Of course you aren't interested in science...you are interested in politics and generating anxiety where none is warranted...you are a political hack who ignores the long view because it is not convenient to your politics.

 

[westwall]

Thanks olfraud. Yet more BIG pictures that show the Arctic ice STILL THERE! How about showing the sea ice extent for 1979 when it was lower than it is today. How come you don't show that? Why did they choose to start their baseline as 1970 when sea ice was at its highest extent in decades? Why oh why would they do something so fraudulent as that?

 

[RollingThunder]

Thanks olfraud. Yet more BIG pictures that show the Arctic ice STILL THERE! How about showing the sea ice extent for 1970 when it was lower than it is today. How come you don't show that? Why did they choose to start their baseline as 1970 when sea ice was at its highest extent in decades? Why oh why would they do something so fraudulent as that?

Your denier cult myths are still just lies, walleyed. Your questions are insane because they are based on your fraudulent denier cult myth that Arctic sea ice was somehow at a lower extent "for 1970". Of course you offer no evidence! Historical records indicate that throughout the Twentieth Century, Arctic sea ice extents at their minimum extents at the end of summer, averaged about 7 million square kilometers, while over the last decade, extents have dropped to as little as 3.4 million square kilometers.

In the real world, Arctic sea ice has plunged to a lower extent and volume over the last decade than it has ever been for at least 5000 years.

In the real world....

Satellite data from the SMMR and SSM/I instruments have been combined with earlier observations from ice charts and other sources to yield a time series of Arctic ice extent from the early 1900s onward. While the pre-satellite records are not as reliable, their trends are in good general agreement with the satellite record and indicate that Arctic sea ice extent has been declining since at least the early 1950s.

Mean sea ice anomalies, 1953-2012: Sea ice extent departures from monthly means for the Northern Hemisphere. For January 1953 through December 1979, data have been obtained from the UK Hadley Centre and are based on operational ice charts and other sources. For January 1979 through December 2012, data are derived from passive microwave (SMMR / SSM/I). Image by Walt Meier and Julienne Stroeve, National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder.

In recent years, satellite data have indicated an even more dramatic reduction in regional ice cover.

The Arctic sea ice September minimum extent reached a new record low in 2012 of 3.41 million square kilometers, 44 percent below the 1981-2010 average, and 16 percent below the previous record in 2007. Over the last 13 years, a new record was set four times (2002, 2005, 2007, and 2012) and several other years saw near-record lows, particularly 2008 and 2011. On September 10, 2016, Arctic sea ice extent dipped to 4.14 million square kilometers, reaching a statistical tie with the 2007 minimum for second-lowest in the satellite record. As NSIDC reported in September 2016, the 10 lowest September ice extents over the satellite record have all occurred since 2007.
(source - National Snow and Ice Data Center)

 

[SSDD]

Ice increases...ice decreases...right now, there is far more ice in the arctic than there has been for most of the past 10,0000- years...and for most of earth's history, there has been no ice at all up there....what's your point?

 

[Old Rocks]

Thanks olfraud. Yet more BIG pictures that show the Arctic ice STILL THERE! How about showing the sea ice extent for 1970 when it was lower than it is today. How come you don't show that? Why did they choose to start their baseline as 1970 when sea ice was at its highest extent in decades? Why oh why would they do something so fraudulent as that?

Because, as you know very well, in 1979 we put up satellites that gave a daily picture of the polar ice extant. Why are you such a fraudulent liar? Is someone paying you to post half truths and outright lies here? Because that is what you constantly do.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ice increases...ice decreases...right now, there is far more ice in the arctic than there has been for most of the past 10,0000- years...and for most of earth's history, there has been no ice at all up there....what's your point?

For most of the Earth's history, there has been no worldwide human agriculture depending on a stable climate. And, for most of the last 10,000 years, there has not been 7+ billion people on this planet at once. And, during that past 10,000 years, we have never had the rapid warming that we are seeing today. In fact, the last time the climate changed very quickly, the Younger Dryas, we lost, in North America, 45 of 61 genera of large mammals.

Quaternary extinction event - Wikipedia

The Late Pleistocene extinction event saw the extinction of many mammals weighing more than 40 kg.

• In North America around 45 of 61 genera of large mammals became extinct.
• In South America 58 of 71
• In Australia 17 of 18
• In Europe 21 of 37
• In Asia 24 of 46
• In Subsaharan Africa only 8 of 50

 

[westwall]

Thanks olfraud. Yet more BIG pictures that show the Arctic ice STILL THERE! How about showing the sea ice extent for 1970 when it was lower than it is today. How come you don't show that? Why did they choose to start their baseline as 1970 when sea ice was at its highest extent in decades? Why oh why would they do something so fraudulent as that?

Because, as you know very well, in 1979 we put up satellites that gave a daily picture of the polar ice extant. Why are you such a fraudulent liar? Is someone paying you to post half truths and outright lies here? Because that is what you constantly do.

There were satellites up in 1970 that did the same.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ice increases...ice decreases...right now, there is far more ice in the arctic than there has been for most of the past 10,0000- years...and for most of earth's history, there has been no ice at all up there....what's your point?

For most of the Earth's history, there has been no worldwide human agriculture depending on a stable climate. And, for most of the last 10,000 years, there has not been 7+ billion people on this planet at once. And, during that past 10,000 years, we have never had the rapid warming that we are seeing today. In fact, the last time the climate changed very quickly, the Younger Dryas, we lost, in North America, 45 of 61 genera of large mammals.

Quaternary extinction event - Wikipedia

The Late Pleistocene extinction event saw the extinction of many mammals weighing more than 40 kg.

• In North America around 45 of 61 genera of large mammals became extinct.
• In South America 58 of 71
• In Australia 17 of 18
• In Europe 21 of 37
• In Asia 24 of 46
• In Subsaharan Africa only 8 of 50

....because manmade global warming, right?

 

[polarbear]

Thanks olfraud. Yet more BIG pictures that show the Arctic ice STILL THERE! How about showing the sea ice extent for 1970 when it was lower than it is today. How come you don't show that? Why did they choose to start their baseline as 1970 when sea ice was at its highest extent in decades? Why oh why would they do something so fraudulent as that?

Because, as you know very well, in 1979 we put up satellites that gave a daily picture of the polar ice extant. Why are you such a fraudulent liar? Is someone paying you to post half truths and outright lies here? Because that is what you constantly do.

There were satellites up in 1970 that did the same.

That`s right but the data these satellites collected did not fit the narrative.
There are publications that state that there was no clear trend, but they are all behind a paywall.
There was also a lot of data collected by submarines that mapped ice extent and thickness with upward looking sonar since 1958.
And then before that time there are all these whaling records that can give you pretty accurate information where the edges of the sea ice were.
So it`s not as if the Goracles had no data, the data contradicts the claim that there is a correlation between sea ice and CO2.
When it comes to temperature, the absence of direct measurements never stopped these scoundrels from producing data pretending to be accurate to a fraction of a degree using proxies.