Battle to establish Islamic state across Iraq and Syria

[georgephillip]

And the point of the above was to support your conspiracy theories?

There's nothing conspiratorial about the millions of innocent Muslims who have been murdered, maimed, incarcerated, and displaced by the US military over the last thirteen years.

It seems you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy involving the evil Westerners carving up Middle Eastern borders.

Is that the conclusion you've drawn from the US invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq?

 

[GHook93]

I will never forget my thoughts as the US invaded Iraq...

... I will finish your thought for you. At the moment say said, "dirty Jew dirty Jew dirty Jew, oh wait what was the question?"

 

[GHook93]

It's obvious that the OP cares not a whit for the lives of the millions of unfortunate people in Syria and Iraq: its entire point has been to magnify its own thoughts' *importance*......

Nothing has been said about the methods or goals of said ISIS group - or the suffering of millions due to its violence! - except a truly feeble attempt to cast blame on the US.

And of course to insinuate that the precious OP is prescient, and thus to enhance its own delusions about the importance of its own feelings.

I find myself wishing that the OP had the courage of its convictions and would take itself over to ISIS territory to tell them how wrong they are......... Don't you think so, too?

I am confused as to why you are attacking Sherri over her OP??

Nothing she said was incorrect or out of bounds. ..

Because she is a no good goat fucker like yourself!

 

[High_Gravity]

I will never forget my thoughts as the US invaded Iraq, I realized then we were setting into motion monumental events we would be unable to control. I knew it was wrong and no good would come of it.

And what is happening right now, as addressed in this article, is evidence all I expected and knew then is coming to pass.

But when you think things cannot get worse, as so many people and nations keep choosing violence and war, you are always proven wrong, over and over again.

Battle to establish Islamic state across Iraq and Syria

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant now controls vast stretch of land

"Islamic fundamentalists have opened new fronts in their battle to establish an Islamic state across Iraq and Syria as they launch attacks in cities which were previously under the control of the Baghdad government. A multi-pronged assault across central and northern Iraq in the past four days shows that the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) has taken over from the al-Qa’ida organisation founded by Osama bin Laden as the most powerful and effective extreme jihadi group in the world.

Isis now controls or can operate with impunity in a great stretch of territory in western Iraq and eastern Syria, making it militarily the most successful jihadi movement ever. Led since 2010 by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, also known as Abu Dua, it has proved itself even more violent and sectarian than what US officials call the “core” al-Qa’ida, led by Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is based in Pakistan. Isis is highly fanatical, killing Shia Muslims and Christians whenever possible, as well as militarily efficient and under tight direction by top leaders."

Battle to establish Islamic state across Iraq and Syria - Middle East - World - The Independent

Ain't no we, you are not American you fucking fraud.

 

[High_Gravity]

Maybe the divisions we see today in Iraq and Syria (with Iran on deck) are exactly what those looking for a New Middle East had in mind all along?

"The term 'New Middle East' was introduced to the world in June 2006 in Tel Aviv by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (who was credited by the Western media for coining the term) in replacement of the older and more imposing term, the 'Greater Middle East.'

"This shift in foreign policy phraseology coincided with the inauguration of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) Oil Terminal in the Eastern Mediterranean. The term and conceptualization of the 'New Middle East,' was subsequently heralded by the U.S. Secretary of State and the Israeli Prime Minister at the height of the Anglo-American sponsored Israeli siege of Lebanon. Prime Minister Olmert and Secretary Rice had informed the international media that a project for a 'New Middle East' was being launched from Lebanon.

"This announcement was a confirmation of an Anglo-American-Israeli 'military roadmap' in the Middle East.

"This project, which has been in the planning stages for several years, consists in creating an arc of instability, chaos, and violence extending from Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria to Iraq, the Persian Gulf, Iran, and the borders of NATO-garrisoned Afghanistan."

Plans for Redrawing the Middle East: The Project for a ?New Middle East? | Global Research

baluchistan has a long history till Islamic conquest in the 7th C. Now it is part of Pakistan.

I didn't know that, either.
Pakistan itself was formed by the British when they left India in 1947 (I think)Apparently, the powers that be in the West feel it's time to redraw middle eastern borders.

No it was not, Pakistan earned its own independence from India by itself.

 

[GHook93]

I think that map is a 'global research' conspiranutter's wet dream, not intended to represent any reality..........

Is that was Georgie is a conspiracynutz wet dream!

 

[georgephillip]

baluchistan has a long history till Islamic conquest in the 7th C. Now it is part of Pakistan.

I didn't know that, either.
Pakistan itself was formed by the British when they left India in 1947 (I think)Apparently, the powers that be in the West feel it's time to redraw middle eastern borders.

No it was not, Pakistan earned its own independence from India by itself.

What do you make of today's news from Baghdad?

"Clashes between Iraqi Security forces and hundreds of Sunni militants aligned with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, an offshoot of al Qaeda) resulted in the capture of Mosul and Tikrit by ISIL earlier today.

"Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city, was overrun -- Iraqi forces reportedly abandoning their posts, shedding their uniforms and dropping their weapons as they fled the ISIL attacks.

"Tikrit, about 135 miles closer to Baghdad, was attacked not long after, with little resistance -- and the AFP is reporting fighting now outside Samarra, only 70 miles north of the capital city.

"The attackers overran a military base, freed hundreds of prisoners, and have seized the Turkish consulate in Mosul, capturing and holding 50 Turkish citizens. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to put a halt to the advances, and called on citizens to take up arms as well..."

Iraqi Insurgents Capture Northern Cities, Move Toward Baghdad - In Focus - The Atlantic

 

[Roudy]

^^^^^^

I say the more busy Muslims are killing each other, the better off the rest of the world.

 

[georgephillip]

Juan Cole has covered the Middle East as an unembedded journalist since 911.
Here's a recent column that reveals where the money for ISIS comes from and why Washington can't stop it

"Mosul’s changed circumstances is also an indictment of the irresponsible use to which Sunni fundamentalists in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the Oil Gulf are putting their riches.

"The high petroleum prices, usually over $100 a barrel, of the past few years in a row, have injected trillions of dollars into the Gulf.

"Some of that money has sloshed into the hands of people who rather admired Usama B. Laden and who are perfectly willing to fund his clones to take over major cities like Aleppo and Mosul.

"The vaunted U.S. Treasury Department ability to stop money transfers by people whom Washington does not like has faltered in this case.

"Is it because Washington is de facto allied with the billionaire Salafis of Kuwait City in Syria, where both want to see the Bashar al-Assad government overthrown and Iran weakened?

"The descent of the U.S. into deep debt, and the emergence of Gulf states and sovereign wealth funds is a tremendous shift of geopolitical power to Riyadh, Kuwait City and Abu Dhabi, who can now simply buy Egyptian domestic and foreign policy away from Washington.

"They are also trying to buy a Salafi State of Syria and a Salafi state of northern and western Iraq."

Juan Cole: The Fall of Mosul and the False Promises of Modern History - Juan Cole - Truthdig

 

[High_Gravity]

I didn't know that, either.
Pakistan itself was formed by the British when they left India in 1947 (I think)Apparently, the powers that be in the West feel it's time to redraw middle eastern borders.

No it was not, Pakistan earned its own independence from India by itself.

What do you make of today's news from Baghdad?

"Clashes between Iraqi Security forces and hundreds of Sunni militants aligned with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, an offshoot of al Qaeda) resulted in the capture of Mosul and Tikrit by ISIL earlier today.

"Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city, was overrun -- Iraqi forces reportedly abandoning their posts, shedding their uniforms and dropping their weapons as they fled the ISIL attacks.

"Tikrit, about 135 miles closer to Baghdad, was attacked not long after, with little resistance -- and the AFP is reporting fighting now outside Samarra, only 70 miles north of the capital city.

"The attackers overran a military base, freed hundreds of prisoners, and have seized the Turkish consulate in Mosul, capturing and holding 50 Turkish citizens. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to put a halt to the advances, and called on citizens to take up arms as well..."

Iraqi Insurgents Capture Northern Cities, Move Toward Baghdad - In Focus - The Atlantic

What do I make of it? I was told when the Americans left Iraq was supposed to be peaches and cream. This sounds 10 times worse than when we were there.

 

[georgephillip]

No it was not, Pakistan earned its own independence from India by itself.

What do you make of today's news from Baghdad?

"Clashes between Iraqi Security forces and hundreds of Sunni militants aligned with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, an offshoot of al Qaeda) resulted in the capture of Mosul and Tikrit by ISIL earlier today.

"Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city, was overrun -- Iraqi forces reportedly abandoning their posts, shedding their uniforms and dropping their weapons as they fled the ISIL attacks.

"Tikrit, about 135 miles closer to Baghdad, was attacked not long after, with little resistance -- and the AFP is reporting fighting now outside Samarra, only 70 miles north of the capital city.

"The attackers overran a military base, freed hundreds of prisoners, and have seized the Turkish consulate in Mosul, capturing and holding 50 Turkish citizens. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to put a halt to the advances, and called on citizens to take up arms as well..."

Iraqi Insurgents Capture Northern Cities, Move Toward Baghdad - In Focus - The Atlantic

What do I make of it? I was told when the Americans left Iraq was supposed to be peaches and cream. This sounds 10 times worse than when we were there.

And it may be getting even worse:

"BAGHDAD — Sunni militants consolidated and extended their control over northern Iraq on Wednesday, seizing Tikrit, the hometown of Saddam Hussein, threatening the strategic oil refining town of Baiji and pushing south toward Baghdad, their ultimate target, Iraqi sources said.

"As the dimensions of the assault began to become clear, it was evident that a number of militant groups had joined forces, including Baathist military commanders from the Hussein era, whose goal is to rout the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

"One of the Baathists, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was a top military commander and a vice president in the Hussein government and one of the few prominent Baathists to evade capture by the Americans throughout the occupation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0

 

[High_Gravity]

What do you make of today's news from Baghdad?

"Clashes between Iraqi Security forces and hundreds of Sunni militants aligned with the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, an offshoot of al Qaeda) resulted in the capture of Mosul and Tikrit by ISIL earlier today.

"Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city, was overrun -- Iraqi forces reportedly abandoning their posts, shedding their uniforms and dropping their weapons as they fled the ISIL attacks.

"Tikrit, about 135 miles closer to Baghdad, was attacked not long after, with little resistance -- and the AFP is reporting fighting now outside Samarra, only 70 miles north of the capital city.

"The attackers overran a military base, freed hundreds of prisoners, and have seized the Turkish consulate in Mosul, capturing and holding 50 Turkish citizens. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised to put a halt to the advances, and called on citizens to take up arms as well..."

Iraqi Insurgents Capture Northern Cities, Move Toward Baghdad - In Focus - The Atlantic

What do I make of it? I was told when the Americans left Iraq was supposed to be peaches and cream. This sounds 10 times worse than when we were there.

And it may be getting even worse:

"BAGHDAD — Sunni militants consolidated and extended their control over northern Iraq on Wednesday, seizing Tikrit, the hometown of Saddam Hussein, threatening the strategic oil refining town of Baiji and pushing south toward Baghdad, their ultimate target, Iraqi sources said.

"As the dimensions of the assault began to become clear, it was evident that a number of militant groups had joined forces, including Baathist military commanders from the Hussein era, whose goal is to rout the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

"One of the Baathists, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was a top military commander and a vice president in the Hussein government and one of the few prominent Baathists to evade capture by the Americans throughout the occupation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0

I remember him that guy hid out for almost 10 years smgdh, well played.

 

[georgephillip]

What do I make of it? I was told when the Americans left Iraq was supposed to be peaches and cream. This sounds 10 times worse than when we were there.

And it may be getting even worse:

"BAGHDAD — Sunni militants consolidated and extended their control over northern Iraq on Wednesday, seizing Tikrit, the hometown of Saddam Hussein, threatening the strategic oil refining town of Baiji and pushing south toward Baghdad, their ultimate target, Iraqi sources said.

"As the dimensions of the assault began to become clear, it was evident that a number of militant groups had joined forces, including Baathist military commanders from the Hussein era, whose goal is to rout the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

"One of the Baathists, Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was a top military commander and a vice president in the Hussein government and one of the few prominent Baathists to evade capture by the Americans throughout the occupation."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq.html?_r=0

I remember him that guy hid out for almost 10 years smgdh, well played.

How would you feel if he moved into the Green Zone?

"The U.S. official told TheBlaze that the U.S. Embassy, United Nations and other foreign organizations with a presence in Iraq are 'preparing contingency plans to evacuate employees.'

"Mortar rounds and rockets have hit Baghdad International Airport and Mosul’s airport has been the target of militant assault. The State Department advisory warned U.S. citizens to avoid public gathering places because of the high risk of kidnapping and terrorist violence.

"A U.S. counterterrorism official said the violence has reached 'levels not seen since 2007.'

"Iraqi forces are conducting military operations in Nineveh and Anbar provinces against the insurgent and terrorist organizations that have occupied those territories, the State Department said."

U.S. Embassy Prepares for Possible Evacuation as Militants Take Control in Iraq | TheBlaze.com

 

[Hollie]

There's nothing conspiratorial about the millions of innocent Muslims who have been murdered, maimed, incarcerated, and displaced by the US military over the last thirteen years.

It seems you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy involving the evil Westerners carving up Middle Eastern borders.

Is that the conclusion you've drawn from the US invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq?

No borders changed. Your conspiracy theories need revision.

 

[georgephillip]

It seems you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy involving the evil Westerners carving up Middle Eastern borders.

Is that the conclusion you've drawn from the US invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq?

No borders changed. Your conspiracy theories need revision.

Syrian and Iraqi borders have changed.
Maybe you should pay more attention?

 

[Hollie]

Is that the conclusion you've drawn from the US invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq?

No borders changed. Your conspiracy theories need revision.

Syrian and Iraqi borders have changed.
Maybe you should pay more attention?

When did those borders change?

 

[High_Gravity]

Is that the conclusion you've drawn from the US invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq?

No borders changed. Your conspiracy theories need revision.

Syrian and Iraqi borders have changed.
Maybe you should pay more attention?

Not yet.

 

[georgephillip]

I think that map is a 'global research' conspiranutter's wet dream, not intended to represent any reality..........

Is that was Georgie is a conspiracynutz wet dream!

Hey, Aristotle You wanna try that one again?

 

[georgephillip]

No borders changed. Your conspiracy theories need revision.

Syrian and Iraqi borders have changed.
Maybe you should pay more attention?

Not yet.

ISIS controls an area larger than many states, stretching from Aleppo in the east of Syria to Fallujah in western Iran and Mosul in the north. Iraq is fracturing into two or three mini-states. Stay tuned for "Free" Kurdistan?

 

[Hollie]

Syrian and Iraqi borders have changed.
Maybe you should pay more attention?

Not yet.

ISIS controls an area larger than many states, stretching from Aleppo in the east of Syria to Fallujah in western Iran and Mosul in the north. Iraq is fracturing into two or three mini-states. Stay tuned for "Free" Kurdistan?

So, no borders have changed. Didn't think so.

Your comments above clash with your conspiracy theory in connection with Western powers looking to divide-up the Middle East.