Battle to establish Islamic state across Iraq and Syria

[Moonglow]

Battle to establish Islamic state across Iraq and Syria

All the Sunnis were kung-fu fighting....

 

[Hollie]

Battle to establish Islamic state across Iraq and Syria

All the Sunnis were kung-fu fighting....

Consistent with the 1,400 year old blood feud that separates the Sunni and Shia, it needs to be noted that ISIS is of the Sunni/salafi brand of Islamism. The Iraqi government is largely Shiite. These two brands of Medieval ideologies despise each other. The Shia are viewed as a heretical sect by the Sunni.

The Shia Iranian mullacrats have largely stepped aside and not interfered as the Sunni holy warriors have been splodin' the bejeezus out of the Shia population. But now, with the Sunni presence just next door, the mullacrats will need to protect their turf.

This is about to get real ugly, even my standards of medieval Islamism.

 

[georgephillip]

Not yet.

ISIS controls an area larger than many states, stretching from Aleppo in the east of Syria to Fallujah in western Iran and Mosul in the north. Iraq is fracturing into two or three mini-states. Stay tuned for "Free" Kurdistan?

So, no borders have changed. Didn't think so.

Your comments above clash with your conspiracy theory in connection with Western powers looking to divide-up the Middle East.

In fact, Iraq and Syrian borders have already changed and continue changing by the minute:

"The Islamic State of Iraq and greater Syria (ISIS) is shredding Iraq. After seizing the northern city of Mosul on Monday, on Tuesday ISIS stormed down Iraq’s route 1 highway to take Tikrit.

"This victory has left them emboldened and only 110 miles from Baghdad.

"The Iraqi military seemingly overrun, Nouri al-Maliki's government is greatly concerned.

"Unfortunately, the disaster isn’t confined to Iraq. After all, ISIS isn’t interested in Iraq per se.

"Instead, it seeks a caliphate that stretches from western Syria to Iraq’s eastern border with Iran.

"A dominion preserved under an iron fist of brutality (think Fallujah 2004 ) and a base from which to export global terrorism."

Iraq's borders are disappearing: this is a disaster ? Telegraph Blogs

 

[Hollie]

ISIS controls an area larger than many states, stretching from Aleppo in the east of Syria to Fallujah in western Iran and Mosul in the north. Iraq is fracturing into two or three mini-states. Stay tuned for "Free" Kurdistan?

So, no borders have changed. Didn't think so.

Your comments above clash with your conspiracy theory in connection with Western powers looking to divide-up the Middle East.

In fact, Iraq and Syrian borders have already changed and continue changing by the minute:

"The Islamic State of Iraq and greater Syria (ISIS) is shredding Iraq. After seizing the northern city of Mosul on Monday, on Tuesday ISIS stormed down Iraq’s route 1 highway to take Tikrit.

"This victory has left them emboldened and only 110 miles from Baghdad.

"The Iraqi military seemingly overrun, Nouri al-Maliki's government is greatly concerned.

"Unfortunately, the disaster isn’t confined to Iraq. After all, ISIS isn’t interested in Iraq per se.

"Instead, it seeks a caliphate that stretches from western Syria to Iraq’s eastern border with Iran.

"A dominion preserved under an iron fist of brutality (think Fallujah 2004 ) and a base from which to export global terrorism."

Iraq's borders are disappearing: this is a disaster ? Telegraph Blogs

So, even though no borders have changed, you continue to insist that borders have changed.

 

[georgephillip]

So, no borders have changed. Didn't think so.

Your comments above clash with your conspiracy theory in connection with Western powers looking to divide-up the Middle East.

In fact, Iraq and Syrian borders have already changed and continue changing by the minute:

"The Islamic State of Iraq and greater Syria (ISIS) is shredding Iraq. After seizing the northern city of Mosul on Monday, on Tuesday ISIS stormed down Iraq’s route 1 highway to take Tikrit.

"This victory has left them emboldened and only 110 miles from Baghdad.

"The Iraqi military seemingly overrun, Nouri al-Maliki's government is greatly concerned.

"Unfortunately, the disaster isn’t confined to Iraq. After all, ISIS isn’t interested in Iraq per se.

"Instead, it seeks a caliphate that stretches from western Syria to Iraq’s eastern border with Iran.

"A dominion preserved under an iron fist of brutality (think Fallujah 2004 ) and a base from which to export global terrorism."

Iraq's borders are disappearing: this is a disaster ? Telegraph Blogs

So, even though no borders have changed, you continue to insist that borders have changed.

Borders between Syria and Turkey have changed.

 

[Hollie]

In fact, Iraq and Syrian borders have already changed and continue changing by the minute:

"The Islamic State of Iraq and greater Syria (ISIS) is shredding Iraq. After seizing the northern city of Mosul on Monday, on Tuesday ISIS stormed down Iraq’s route 1 highway to take Tikrit.

"This victory has left them emboldened and only 110 miles from Baghdad.

"The Iraqi military seemingly overrun, Nouri al-Maliki's government is greatly concerned.

"Unfortunately, the disaster isn’t confined to Iraq. After all, ISIS isn’t interested in Iraq per se.

"Instead, it seeks a caliphate that stretches from western Syria to Iraq’s eastern border with Iran.

"A dominion preserved under an iron fist of brutality (think Fallujah 2004 ) and a base from which to export global terrorism."

Iraq's borders are disappearing: this is a disaster ? Telegraph Blogs

So, even though no borders have changed, you continue to insist that borders have changed.

Borders between Syria and Turkey have changed.

Did you email the Syrians and Turks to let them know?

 

[georgephillip]

So, even though no borders have changed, you continue to insist that borders have changed.

Borders between Syria and Turkey have changed.

Did you email the Syrians and Turks to let them know?

Did you notice Syrians no longer control the same border with Turkey they did five years ago?

 

[Hollie]

Borders between Syria and Turkey have changed.

Did you email the Syrians and Turks to let them know?

Did you notice Syrians no longer control the same border with Turkey they did five years ago?

So, the border hasn't changed, only control of the border.

 

[georgephillip]

Did you email the Syrians and Turks to let them know?

Did you notice Syrians no longer control the same border with Turkey they did five years ago?

So, the border hasn't changed, only control of the border.

No control?
No border.

 

[Hollie]

Did you notice Syrians no longer control the same border with Turkey they did five years ago?

So, the border hasn't changed, only control of the border.

No control?
No border.

Try and think this through. The border between Turkey and Syria has not changed. Please show me where Turkey and Syria have agreed to move their national borders.

I'm glad you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy theory wherein you claimed that the Western conspirators were looking to carve up the Middle East. I think you will find that spending as much time as you do lurking through global research and other web tabloids is a waste of time.

 

[georgephillip]

So, the border hasn't changed, only control of the border.

No control?
No border.

Try and think this through. The border between Turkey and Syria has not changed. Please show me where Turkey and Syria have agreed to move their national borders.

I'm glad you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy theory wherein you claimed that the Western conspirators were looking to carve up the Middle East. I think you will find that spending as much time as you do lurking through global research and other web tabloids is a waste of time.

You don't see any western conspiracy involved in fragmenting Iraq and Syria and their borders? Did you notice any change in control of Assad's northern border prior to the US invasion of Iraq or the regime change in Libya?

 

[Hollie]

No control?
No border.

Try and think this through. The border between Turkey and Syria has not changed. Please show me where Turkey and Syria have agreed to move their national borders.

I'm glad you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy theory wherein you claimed that the Western conspirators were looking to carve up the Middle East. I think you will find that spending as much time as you do lurking through global research and other web tabloids is a waste of time.

You don't see any western conspiracy involved in fragmenting Iraq and Syria and their borders? Did you notice any change in control of Assad's northern border prior to the US invasion of Iraq or the regime change in Libya?

You're now on to an entirely different conspiracy. Good god man, what would you do without conspiracies?

 

[Roudy]

No control?
No border.

Try and think this through. The border between Turkey and Syria has not changed. Please show me where Turkey and Syria have agreed to move their national borders.

I'm glad you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy theory wherein you claimed that the Western conspirators were looking to carve up the Middle East. I think you will find that spending as much time as you do lurking through global research and other web tabloids is a waste of time.

You don't see any western conspiracy involved in fragmenting Iraq and Syria and their borders? Did you notice any change in control of Assad's northern border prior to the US invasion of Iraq or the regime change in Libya?

If there is any fragmenting that is because the people want it. The only reason these countries with all the various ethnic groups and races hold together is because there is a brutal dictator or iron fisted regime imposing itself. The Kurds have been fighting for their independence for a long time, since before WWI, it's about time they got their autonomous state.

 

[georgephillip]

Try and think this through. The border between Turkey and Syria has not changed. Please show me where Turkey and Syria have agreed to move their national borders.

I'm glad you have abandoned your earlier conspiracy theory wherein you claimed that the Western conspirators were looking to carve up the Middle East. I think you will find that spending as much time as you do lurking through global research and other web tabloids is a waste of time.

You don't see any western conspiracy involved in fragmenting Iraq and Syria and their borders? Did you notice any change in control of Assad's northern border prior to the US invasion of Iraq or the regime change in Libya?

If there is any fragmenting that is because the people want it. The only reason these countries with all the various ethnic groups and races hold together is because there is a brutal dictator or iron fisted regime imposing itself. The Kurds have been fighting for their independence for a long time, since before WWI, it's about time they got their autonomous state.

Can Kurds expect an autonomous state if it's garrisoned by NATO troops protecting assorted pipelines? Your analysis of brutal dictators is accurate as far as it goes, but it leaves out western elites in London, Paris, and DC who drew the borders and divided up Arab oil and the role they played in picking the dictators. A hundred years later a new generation of western elites are busy redrawing the borders and redistributing the resources at the expense of millions of innocent Muslim refugees and tens of thousands of dead and maimed US vets.

 

[aris2chat]

Borders between Syria and Turkey have changed.

Did you email the Syrians and Turks to let them know?

Did you notice Syrians no longer control the same border with Turkey they did five years ago?

Borders have been contested and at time fluid.
Sunnis have been marginalized in government despite the fact they are the majority.
The refugee problem will be exploding and identity will mean nothing. This is not about a state but religion. This battle has been on going for more than 1500 years. There is not simple solution for any country.

 

[georgephillip]

Did you email the Syrians and Turks to let them know?

Did you notice Syrians no longer control the same border with Turkey they did five years ago?

Borders have been contested and at time fluid.
Sunnis have been marginalized in government despite the fact they are the majority.
The refugee problem will be exploding and identity will mean nothing. This is not about a state but religion. This battle has been on going for more than 1500 years. There is not simple solution for any country.

The feud between Sunni and Shia has been going on for 1500 years. Over the last 100 years rival imperial powers like France, the UK, and the US have deliberately used religion and ethnicity to advance their own colonial interests. Sunni and Shia are victims as much as they are perpetrators of violence in the Middle East. Most of the blame lies with bankers in New York and the City of London.

 

[Roudy]

You don't see any western conspiracy involved in fragmenting Iraq and Syria and their borders? Did you notice any change in control of Assad's northern border prior to the US invasion of Iraq or the regime change in Libya?

If there is any fragmenting that is because the people want it. The only reason these countries with all the various ethnic groups and races hold together is because there is a brutal dictator or iron fisted regime imposing itself. The Kurds have been fighting for their independence for a long time, since before WWI, it's about time they got their autonomous state.

Can Kurds expect an autonomous state if it's garrisoned by NATO troops protecting assorted pipelines? Your analysis of brutal dictators is accurate as far as it goes, but it leaves out western elites in London, Paris, and DC who drew the borders and divided up Arab oil and the role they played in picking the dictators. A hundred years later a new generation of western elites are busy redrawing the borders and redistributing the resources at the expense of millions of innocent Muslim refugees and tens of thousands of dead and maimed US vets.

Kurds already have their autonomous state and independent governing body and army, and are the most stable area in Iraq. They are also sitting on a ton of oil, so they have made out pretty well in this last decade.

 

[irosie91]

If there is any fragmenting that is because the people want it. The only reason these countries with all the various ethnic groups and races hold together is because there is a brutal dictator or iron fisted regime imposing itself. The Kurds have been fighting for their independence for a long time, since before WWI, it's about time they got their autonomous state.

Can Kurds expect an autonomous state if it's garrisoned by NATO troops protecting assorted pipelines? Your analysis of brutal dictators is accurate as far as it goes, but it leaves out western elites in London, Paris, and DC who drew the borders and divided up Arab oil and the role they played in picking the dictators. A hundred years later a new generation of western elites are busy redrawing the borders and redistributing the resources at the expense of millions of innocent Muslim refugees and tens of thousands of dead and maimed US vets.

Kurds already have their autonomous state and independent governing body and army, and are the most stable area in Iraq. They are also sitting on a ton of oil, so they have made out pretty well in this last decade.

this thread is fascinating........ IMAGINE!!!! -----there is a person posting here who actually
believes that the existence of KURDS as an ethnic group was recently created by the
Zionist controlled CIA ------all because of OIL

 

[georgephillip]

If there is any fragmenting that is because the people want it. The only reason these countries with all the various ethnic groups and races hold together is because there is a brutal dictator or iron fisted regime imposing itself. The Kurds have been fighting for their independence for a long time, since before WWI, it's about time they got their autonomous state.

Can Kurds expect an autonomous state if it's garrisoned by NATO troops protecting assorted pipelines? Your analysis of brutal dictators is accurate as far as it goes, but it leaves out western elites in London, Paris, and DC who drew the borders and divided up Arab oil and the role they played in picking the dictators. A hundred years later a new generation of western elites are busy redrawing the borders and redistributing the resources at the expense of millions of innocent Muslim refugees and tens of thousands of dead and maimed US vets.

Kurds already have their autonomous state and independent governing body and army, and are the most stable area in Iraq. They are also sitting on a ton of oil, so they have made out pretty well in this last decade.

I''ll bet Henry Kissinger's happy for them.

"Our movement and people are being destroyed in an unbelievable way, with silence from everyone. We feel, your Excellency, that the United States has a moral and political responsibility towards our people, who have committed themselves to your country’s policy.” Kurdish leader Mustafa Barzani’s message to Kissinger, 1975.

“Promise them anything, give them what they get, and f… them if they can’t take a joke.” Kissinger to a staff member regarding the Kurds, 1975."

Get it?

Henry Kissinger: Realpolitik and Kurdish Genocide - The Kurdistan Tribune

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Now, a most interesting aspect of recent developments in Iraq is that they may lead to joint US and Iranian operations against ISIS.

Now, I find the thought of such joint military operations rather humorous.