Bernie Sanders wants single payer healthcare for all, including illegal immigrants

[TheDude]

What a perfect world Sanders lives in. We're going to give free stuff to everyone on the tax-payers dime. You know, the 50% of us who actually pay taxes, and shrinking.

What a beautiful world Sanders lives in. Not only can we flip the healthcare bill for the world's population, but no doubt (cough) it will increase the quality of healthcare, there will be a stronger middle class, an improved standard of living, and the wealthy will be more inclined to remain in the USA.

Way to go Sanders. It's a beautiful world.

Illegal Immigrants Will Receive Free Health Care Under Bernie’s Single Payer Bill

 

[g5000]

It's news to you that Bernie Sanders wants universal health care?

So does Trump.

 

[TNHarley]

There wont be any illegals when trump gives them all amnesty

 

[TheDude]

It's news to you that Bernie Sanders wants universal health care?

So does Trump.

Congratulations on avoiding the obvious as you project.

 

[g5000]

It's news to you that Bernie Sanders wants universal health care?

So does Trump.

Congratulations on avoiding the obvious as you project.

What is obvious?

Oh, you mean the obviousness of Daily Caller lying to you once again? How many times does the Daily Caller have to lie to you tards before you stop parroting them?

 

[BluesLegend]

Is Bernie selling off his wealth and giving the money to the poor?

 

[g5000]

Here's the bill: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/down...4A11-BBE4-CE07984813C8&download=1&inline=file

Read it. Don't let some piss pouring propagandists tell you what it says.

"The Secretary shall promulgate a rule that provides criteria for determining residency for eligibility purposes under this Act."

And so the Daily Caller's bullshit claim is blown out of the water.


More:

"The Secretary may make eligible for benefits for health care services under this Act other individuals not described in subsection (a), and regulate the nature of eligibility of such individuals, while inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."

 

[shockedcanadian]

What a perfect world Sanders lives in. We're going to give free stuff to everyone on the tax-payers dime. You know, the 50% of us who actually pay taxes, and shrinking.

What a beautiful world Sanders lives in. Not only can we flip the healthcare bill for the world's population, but no doubt (cough) it will increase the quality of healthcare, there will be a stronger middle class, an improved standard of living, and the wealthy will be more inclined to remain in the USA.

Way to go Sanders. It's a beautiful world.

Illegal Immigrants Will Receive Free Health Care Under Bernie’s Single Payer Bill

Maybe Sanders would so graciously donate two of his homes to the cause so that many can have it.

I will state, I believe healthcare should be a right for all. What is in question is the method in which to administer and offer healthcare services. In Ontario my wife has been waiting almost a year on the MEETING with the knee replacement expert. If and when it is agreed to, she then has to wait God knows how long to have the surgery. In the meantime, she walks around with a cane and in pain.

I am sitting here with a bicep tear, untreated. Incorrectly NOT diagnosed, as the doctor I saw avoided the advise of the first doctor to have an MRI and instead I had an ultrasound done. This, on an ever painful health issue that is causing atrophy in my dominant arm and in which I met the full criteria and symptoms of a tear.

After making me get an inferior ultrasound, he tells me "you might have tear, or could be partial, I'm not totally sure." Then he wants to meet me again!? Wtf for?! To see if my tear is partial or not? In real systems I would have had surgery within the timeframe I have been bounced around. That is why the first doctor,who did a litany of tests with me decided I needed an MRI. So now you are still unsure. Comically, I am told he is one of the better surgeons just outside Toronto...that's scary.

Single Payer does a few things, one it does not do is provide quality healthcare. At the very least you need a two tier system. Sort of like you had before with Medicare. If not, you will have incompetent doctors and medical staff, excessive abuse and overuse by some and very poor healthcare for most.

 

[TheDude]

It's news to you that Bernie Sanders wants universal health care?

So does Trump.

Congratulations on avoiding the obvious as you project.

What is obvious?

Oh, you mean the obviousness of Daily Caller lying to you once again? How many times does the Daily Caller have to lie to you tards before you stop parroting them?

I like practical and direct, not twists and turns "parroted" by the left.

The obvious would be the fucking OP. You can read, I assume. Can you comprehend what you've read?

I'm not familiar with the Daily Caller, but apparently you are. Tell us all which part of the story in the OP is inaccurate. If you can't, reference "I like practical and direct, not twists and turns "parroted" by the left."

 

[Wry Catcher]

Anyone who uses public transportation (planes, trains and buses), eats in a restaurant, goes to the theater, takes an elevator or comes in close contact with a stranger, or someone they know who came in contact with a stranger, is at risk of contracting an infectious disease.

Preventative medicine and effective treatment of infectious disease is good for We the People, and treating every person with symptoms of TB or other serious medical disease which is transmitted by air, or bodily fluids transferred to door knobs, handles, etc. used by the public, ought to consider Sander's opinion on health care in America.

 

[TheDude]

Here's the bill: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/down...4A11-BBE4-CE07984813C8&download=1&inline=file

Read it. Don't let some piss pouring propagandists tell you what it says.

"The Secretary shall promulgate a rule that provides criteria for determining residency for eligibility purposes under this Act."

And so the Daily Caller's bullshit claim is blown out of the water.


More:

"The Secretary may make eligible for benefits for health care services under this Act other individuals not described in subsection (a), and regulate the nature of eligibility of such individuals, while inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."

I read it and you're full of shit. You cherry picked citations without providing the entire meaning. That and you're missing the obvious. NO WHERE does it state illegal immigrants would be uncovered under free healthcare. Additionally, somehow you missed the point of liberal and Democrat desire, which are open borders and "equal benefits" without regard to citizenship.

Are you telling me Sanders would disqualify an illegal from obtaining free healthcare? If true, seems you're out of touch with your own ideology, and your party of preference, and current events.

I like the point about "inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."...........I can see it now:
"You coming here for free stuff?"
"Heck no dude."
"Right answer, welcome to the USA."

 

[TheDude]

What a perfect world Sanders lives in. We're going to give free stuff to everyone on the tax-payers dime. You know, the 50% of us who actually pay taxes, and shrinking.

What a beautiful world Sanders lives in. Not only can we flip the healthcare bill for the world's population, but no doubt (cough) it will increase the quality of healthcare, there will be a stronger middle class, an improved standard of living, and the wealthy will be more inclined to remain in the USA.

Way to go Sanders. It's a beautiful world.

Illegal Immigrants Will Receive Free Health Care Under Bernie’s Single Payer Bill

Maybe Sanders would so graciously donate two of his homes to the cause so that many can have it.

I will state, I believe healthcare should be a right for all. What is in question is the method in which to administer and offer healthcare services. In Ontario my wife has been waiting almost a year on the MEETING with the knee replacement expert. If and when it is agreed to, she then has to wait God knows how long to have the surgery. In the meantime, she walks around with a cane and in pain.

I am sitting here with a bicep tear, untreated. Incorrectly NOT diagnosed, as the doctor I saw avoided the advise of the first doctor to have an MRI and instead I had an ultrasound done. This, on an ever painful health issue that is causing atrophy in my dominant arm and in which I met the full criteria and symptoms of a tear.

After making me get an inferior ultrasound, he tells me "you might have tear, or could be partial, I'm not totally sure." Then he wants to meet me again!? Wtf for?! To see if my tear is partial or not? In real systems I would have had surgery within the timeframe I have been bounced around. That is why the first doctor,who did a litany of tests with me decided I needed an MRI. So now you are still unsure. Comically, I am told he is one of the better surgeons just outside Toronto...that's scary.

Single Payer does a few things, one it does not do is provide quality healthcare. At the very least you need a two tier system. Sort of like you had before with Medicare. If not, you will have incompetent doctors and medical staff, excessive abuse and overuse by some and very poor healthcare for most.

Healthcare is a right? How about food, sex, shelter and clothing, those rights too?

 

[Wry Catcher]

What a perfect world Sanders lives in. We're going to give free stuff to everyone on the tax-payers dime. You know, the 50% of us who actually pay taxes, and shrinking.

What a beautiful world Sanders lives in. Not only can we flip the healthcare bill for the world's population, but no doubt (cough) it will increase the quality of healthcare, there will be a stronger middle class, an improved standard of living, and the wealthy will be more inclined to remain in the USA.

Way to go Sanders. It's a beautiful world.

Illegal Immigrants Will Receive Free Health Care Under Bernie’s Single Payer Bill

Maybe Sanders would so graciously donate two of his homes to the cause so that many can have it.

I will state, I believe healthcare should be a right for all. What is in question is the method in which to administer and offer healthcare services. In Ontario my wife has been waiting almost a year on the MEETING with the knee replacement expert. If and when it is agreed to, she then has to wait God knows how long to have the surgery. In the meantime, she walks around with a cane and in pain.

I am sitting here with a bicep tear, untreated. Incorrectly NOT diagnosed, as the doctor I saw avoided the advise of the first doctor to have an MRI and instead I had an ultrasound done. This, on an ever painful health issue that is causing atrophy in my dominant arm and in which I met the full criteria and symptoms of a tear.

After making me get an inferior ultrasound, he tells me "you might have tear, or could be partial, I'm not totally sure." Then he wants to meet me again!? Wtf for?! To see if my tear is partial or not? In real systems I would have had surgery within the timeframe I have been bounced around. That is why the first doctor,who did a litany of tests with me decided I needed an MRI. So now you are still unsure. Comically, I am told he is one of the better surgeons just outside Toronto...that's scary.

Single Payer does a few things, one it does not do is provide quality healthcare. At the very least you need a two tier system. Sort of like you had before with Medicare. If not, you will have incompetent doctors and medical staff, excessive abuse and overuse by some and very poor healthcare for most.

Healthcare is a right? How about food, sex, shelter and clothing, those rights too?

Sagacious thinking ^^^ NOT! Read post #10 and respond, and leave these ^^^ ridiculous comments out of your response, if you can.

 

[shockedcanadian]

What a perfect world Sanders lives in. We're going to give free stuff to everyone on the tax-payers dime. You know, the 50% of us who actually pay taxes, and shrinking.

What a beautiful world Sanders lives in. Not only can we flip the healthcare bill for the world's population, but no doubt (cough) it will increase the quality of healthcare, there will be a stronger middle class, an improved standard of living, and the wealthy will be more inclined to remain in the USA.

Way to go Sanders. It's a beautiful world.

Illegal Immigrants Will Receive Free Health Care Under Bernie’s Single Payer Bill

Maybe Sanders would so graciously donate two of his homes to the cause so that many can have it.

I will state, I believe healthcare should be a right for all. What is in question is the method in which to administer and offer healthcare services. In Ontario my wife has been waiting almost a year on the MEETING with the knee replacement expert. If and when it is agreed to, she then has to wait God knows how long to have the surgery. In the meantime, she walks around with a cane and in pain.

I am sitting here with a bicep tear, untreated. Incorrectly NOT diagnosed, as the doctor I saw avoided the advise of the first doctor to have an MRI and instead I had an ultrasound done. This, on an ever painful health issue that is causing atrophy in my dominant arm and in which I met the full criteria and symptoms of a tear.

After making me get an inferior ultrasound, he tells me "you might have tear, or could be partial, I'm not totally sure." Then he wants to meet me again!? Wtf for?! To see if my tear is partial or not? In real systems I would have had surgery within the timeframe I have been bounced around. That is why the first doctor,who did a litany of tests with me decided I needed an MRI. So now you are still unsure. Comically, I am told he is one of the better surgeons just outside Toronto...that's scary.

Single Payer does a few things, one it does not do is provide quality healthcare. At the very least you need a two tier system. Sort of like you had before with Medicare. If not, you will have incompetent doctors and medical staff, excessive abuse and overuse by some and very poor healthcare for most.

Healthcare is a right? How about food, sex, shelter and clothing, those rights too?

The right to food and shelter? Yes of course. This is based on maximum freedoms. You are allowed to be free to pursue your dreams, to have opportunity to apply your talents without prejudice. Would you prefer that the state deny you food and shelter? There are many means to deny you this if this is what you want. You don't have a right to a mansion or to eat caviar, but certainly subsidized housing isn't out of the question for some or food banks via donations and such.

As to healthcare, there are multiple ways to deliver healthcare. Including missions like St. Jude hospital, medical students and the like. You have to choose the proper balance between extreme free market and multiple avenues of healthcare delivery. Single payer is not sustainable and I have personal experiences that suggest it's not the best approach. At the same time, complete "sink or swim", isn't fair either, especially where children are concerned and impacted.

It's a fine line. For instance, I have been blessed with good health. I have also contributed to these blessings by exercising alot, eating well, not smoking or drinking. My current bicep tear is by far my worst injury. When someone is smoking like a chimney, or eating poorly, living a docile life and wonder why they are in the doctors office every week. Well, I may not feel resentment, but I certainly feel it is unfair that I am denied proper treatment in my one visit every three years to a medical practitioner.

However, there are those who simply have bad luck or bad genes. Or kids who are afflicted at an early age. There has to be a balance somewhere, and it will never be perfect.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

Bernie is a commie ho that will ho out other peoples money for his political gain. Anyone physically in the country (reside) would be eligible - legally residing or not.

 

[g5000]

NO WHERE does it state illegal immigrants would be uncovered under free healthcare.

Nowhere does it state they will, and yet you and Daily Caller stated it as a fact.

You rubes deserve to be lied to. You keep going back to the same piss pouring propagandists.

 

[TheDude]

What a perfect world Sanders lives in. We're going to give free stuff to everyone on the tax-payers dime. You know, the 50% of us who actually pay taxes, and shrinking.

What a beautiful world Sanders lives in. Not only can we flip the healthcare bill for the world's population, but no doubt (cough) it will increase the quality of healthcare, there will be a stronger middle class, an improved standard of living, and the wealthy will be more inclined to remain in the USA.

Way to go Sanders. It's a beautiful world.

Illegal Immigrants Will Receive Free Health Care Under Bernie’s Single Payer Bill

Maybe Sanders would so graciously donate two of his homes to the cause so that many can have it.

I will state, I believe healthcare should be a right for all. What is in question is the method in which to administer and offer healthcare services. In Ontario my wife has been waiting almost a year on the MEETING with the knee replacement expert. If and when it is agreed to, she then has to wait God knows how long to have the surgery. In the meantime, she walks around with a cane and in pain.

I am sitting here with a bicep tear, untreated. Incorrectly NOT diagnosed, as the doctor I saw avoided the advise of the first doctor to have an MRI and instead I had an ultrasound done. This, on an ever painful health issue that is causing atrophy in my dominant arm and in which I met the full criteria and symptoms of a tear.

After making me get an inferior ultrasound, he tells me "you might have tear, or could be partial, I'm not totally sure." Then he wants to meet me again!? Wtf for?! To see if my tear is partial or not? In real systems I would have had surgery within the timeframe I have been bounced around. That is why the first doctor,who did a litany of tests with me decided I needed an MRI. So now you are still unsure. Comically, I am told he is one of the better surgeons just outside Toronto...that's scary.

Single Payer does a few things, one it does not do is provide quality healthcare. At the very least you need a two tier system. Sort of like you had before with Medicare. If not, you will have incompetent doctors and medical staff, excessive abuse and overuse by some and very poor healthcare for most.

Healthcare is a right? How about food, sex, shelter and clothing, those rights too?

Sagacious thinking ^^^ NOT! Read post #10 and respond, and leave these ^^^ ridiculous comments out of your response, if you can.

First, don't tell me what to do. Second, my point has full fucking merit. He made a statement and I clearly addressed it.

The problem with post 10 is it's short on the picture. Including the entertainment of weakness, responsibility displacement, the desire for open borders, benefits on someone else's dime, poor quality, a passing middle class and the wealthy telling the USA to get fucked. Cause and effect, cause and effect, and cause and effect. Sorry, I don't entertain socialism.

 

[forkup]

Here's the bill: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/down...4A11-BBE4-CE07984813C8&download=1&inline=file

Read it. Don't let some piss pouring propagandists tell you what it says.

"The Secretary shall promulgate a rule that provides criteria for determining residency for eligibility purposes under this Act."

And so the Daily Caller's bullshit claim is blown out of the water.


More:

"The Secretary may make eligible for benefits for health care services under this Act other individuals not described in subsection (a), and regulate the nature of eligibility of such individuals, while inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."

I read it and you're full of shit. You cherry picked citations without providing the entire meaning. That and you're missing the obvious. NO WHERE does it state illegal immigrants would be uncovered under free healthcare. Additionally, somehow you missed the point of liberal and Democrat desire, which are open borders and "equal benefits" without regard to citizenship.

Are you telling me Sanders would disqualify an illegal from obtaining free healthcare? If true, seems you're out of touch with your own ideology, and your party of preference, and current events.

I like the point about "inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."...........I can see it now:
"You coming here for free stuff?"
"Heck no dude."
"Right answer, welcome to the USA."

No, it says the definition of resident is determined by the secretary. Meaning that your OP is wrong because it's still to be determined. As to your reading of the Democratic desire this shows no real difference between Obama's policies and those of Bush, so please give me something verifiable that shows democrats wants open borders.Were More People Deported Under the Obama Administration Than Any Other?

 

[TheDude]

Here's the bill: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/down...4A11-BBE4-CE07984813C8&download=1&inline=file

Read it. Don't let some piss pouring propagandists tell you what it says.

"The Secretary shall promulgate a rule that provides criteria for determining residency for eligibility purposes under this Act."

And so the Daily Caller's bullshit claim is blown out of the water.


More:

"The Secretary may make eligible for benefits for health care services under this Act other individuals not described in subsection (a), and regulate the nature of eligibility of such individuals, while inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."

I read it and you're full of shit. You cherry picked citations without providing the entire meaning. That and you're missing the obvious. NO WHERE does it state illegal immigrants would be uncovered under free healthcare. Additionally, somehow you missed the point of liberal and Democrat desire, which are open borders and "equal benefits" without regard to citizenship.

Are you telling me Sanders would disqualify an illegal from obtaining free healthcare? If true, seems you're out of touch with your own ideology, and your party of preference, and current events.

I like the point about "inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."...........I can see it now:
"You coming here for free stuff?"
"Heck no dude."
"Right answer, welcome to the USA."

No, it says the definition of resident is determined by the secretary. Meaning that your OP is wrong because it's still to be determined. As to your reading of the Democratic desire this shows no real difference between Obama's policies and those of Bush, so please give me something verifiable that shows democrats wants open borders.Were More People Deported Under the Obama Administration Than Any Other?

It mother fucking requires critical thought, reading comprehension and at least some idea of current events. Here's a clue, if they intended the benefit to be for citizens, and not non-citizens, then wouldn't it be simple enough to say so? As it's written, bet your ass it's intended for non-citizens. That's why it's vague, and really, it's just plain dishonest.

Since when is a definition for who is entitled a subjective "as determined by the secretary"? Let's not play dumb, it's intended for non-citizens, read between the lines.

 

[forkup]

Here's the bill: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/down...4A11-BBE4-CE07984813C8&download=1&inline=file

Read it. Don't let some piss pouring propagandists tell you what it says.

"The Secretary shall promulgate a rule that provides criteria for determining residency for eligibility purposes under this Act."

And so the Daily Caller's bullshit claim is blown out of the water.


More:

"The Secretary may make eligible for benefits for health care services under this Act other individuals not described in subsection (a), and regulate the nature of eligibility of such individuals, while inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."

I read it and you're full of shit. You cherry picked citations without providing the entire meaning. That and you're missing the obvious. NO WHERE does it state illegal immigrants would be uncovered under free healthcare. Additionally, somehow you missed the point of liberal and Democrat desire, which are open borders and "equal benefits" without regard to citizenship.

Are you telling me Sanders would disqualify an illegal from obtaining free healthcare? If true, seems you're out of touch with your own ideology, and your party of preference, and current events.

I like the point about "inhibiting travel and immigration to the United States for the sole purpose of obtaining health care services."...........I can see it now:
"You coming here for free stuff?"
"Heck no dude."
"Right answer, welcome to the USA."

No, it says the definition of resident is determined by the secretary. Meaning that your OP is wrong because it's still to be determined. As to your reading of the Democratic desire this shows no real difference between Obama's policies and those of Bush, so please give me something verifiable that shows democrats wants open borders.Were More People Deported Under the Obama Administration Than Any Other?

It mother fucking requires critical thought, reading comprehension and at least some idea of current events. Here's a clue, if they intended the benefit to be for citizens, and not non-citizens, then wouldn't it be simple enough to say so? As it's written, bet your ass it's intended for non-citizens. That's why it's vague, and really, it's just plain dishonest.

Since when is a definition for who is entitled a subjective "as determined by the secretary"? Let's not play dumb, it's intended for non-citizens, read between the lines.

So you content now that it is alright to say that's something is decided, when something says it's to be determined? When you said you asked for reading comprehension you sure you weren't trying to be ironic?