Best quotes from the Heller case that make Gun Grabbers go total Levithan on you

[daveman]

That is what people who have deep psychosis do. No reality, just black helicopters and paranoia.

Speaking of mental illness, did you know that pretending this post isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist?

 

[Bfgrn]

That is what people who have deep psychosis do. No reality, just black helicopters and paranoia.

Speaking of mental illness, did you know that pretending this post isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist?

Says the Koch mouthpiece? REALLY??

From your fairy tale:
Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the FBI before completing the sale.

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WHAT REAL human beings operating undercover at gun shows ACTUALLY found:

Private Sellers Exploited the Gun Show Loophole

Even though private unlicensed sellers are not required to run background checks using the FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check system, it is a federal felony for them to sell guns to people they have reason to believe are prohibited purchasers (such as felons or the mentally ill). In purchases attempted on 30 private sellers, the undercover investigator showed interest in buying a gun by asking about stopping power or by dry-firing the weapon. After agreeing on a price, the undercover would indicate that he probably couldn't pass a background check. At that point, the seller is required by law to refuse the sale — but only 11 out of 30 sellers did so. Investigators found private dealers who failed these integrity tests at every show, including two sellers who failed at multiple shows. In total, 19 of the 30 private sellers approached failed the integrity test.

The 11 sellers who terminated the sale confirmed that private sellers know the law. As one seller in Columbus, Ohio, explained "I mean even as a private citizen, I'm kind of allowed a certain latitude, but once you say that [you can't pass the background check], I'm kind of obligated not sell to you. I think that's what the rules are."

The investigation also revealed that some private sellers are in fact apparently "engaged in the business" of selling firearms without a federal license, in violation of the law. For example, one seller sold to investigators at three different gun shows and acknowledged selling 348 assault rifles in less than one year.

 

[The Rabbi]

That is what people who have deep psychosis do. No reality, just black helicopters and paranoia.

Speaking of mental illness, did you know that pretending this post isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist?

Says the Koch mouthpiece? REALLY??

From your fairy tale:
Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the FBI before completing the sale.

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WHAT REAL human beings operating undercover at gun shows ACTUALLY found:

Private Sellers Exploited the Gun Show Loophole

Even though private unlicensed sellers are not required to run background checks using the FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check system, it is a federal felony for them to sell guns to people they have reason to believe are prohibited purchasers (such as felons or the mentally ill). In purchases attempted on 30 private sellers, the undercover investigator showed interest in buying a gun by asking about stopping power or by dry-firing the weapon. After agreeing on a price, the undercover would indicate that he probably couldn't pass a background check. At that point, the seller is required by law to refuse the sale — but only 11 out of 30 sellers did so. Investigators found private dealers who failed these integrity tests at every show, including two sellers who failed at multiple shows. In total, 19 of the 30 private sellers approached failed the integrity test.

The 11 sellers who terminated the sale confirmed that private sellers know the law. As one seller in Columbus, Ohio, explained "I mean even as a private citizen, I'm kind of allowed a certain latitude, but once you say that [you can't pass the background check], I'm kind of obligated not sell to you. I think that's what the rules are."

The investigation also revealed that some private sellers are in fact apparently "engaged in the business" of selling firearms without a federal license, in violation of the law. For example, one seller sold to investigators at three different gun shows and acknowledged selling 348 assault rifles in less than one year.

And you'll notice 1) it is already illegal, and 2) it makes no difference in crime rates.

Foiled again, BigFurryGreenStool.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Bfgrn still hasn't addressed any of the quotes in the OP.

 

[Bfgrn]

Speaking of mental illness, did you know that pretending this post isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist?

Says the Koch mouthpiece? REALLY??

From your fairy tale:
Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the FBI before completing the sale.

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WHAT REAL human beings operating undercover at gun shows ACTUALLY found:

Private Sellers Exploited the Gun Show Loophole

Even though private unlicensed sellers are not required to run background checks using the FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check system, it is a federal felony for them to sell guns to people they have reason to believe are prohibited purchasers (such as felons or the mentally ill). In purchases attempted on 30 private sellers, the undercover investigator showed interest in buying a gun by asking about stopping power or by dry-firing the weapon. After agreeing on a price, the undercover would indicate that he probably couldn't pass a background check. At that point, the seller is required by law to refuse the sale — but only 11 out of 30 sellers did so. Investigators found private dealers who failed these integrity tests at every show, including two sellers who failed at multiple shows. In total, 19 of the 30 private sellers approached failed the integrity test.

The 11 sellers who terminated the sale confirmed that private sellers know the law. As one seller in Columbus, Ohio, explained "I mean even as a private citizen, I'm kind of allowed a certain latitude, but once you say that [you can't pass the background check], I'm kind of obligated not sell to you. I think that's what the rules are."

The investigation also revealed that some private sellers are in fact apparently "engaged in the business" of selling firearms without a federal license, in violation of the law. For example, one seller sold to investigators at three different gun shows and acknowledged selling 348 assault rifles in less than one year.

And you'll notice 1) it is already illegal, and 2) it makes no difference in crime rates.

Foiled again, BigFurryGreenStool.

Bullshit pea brain...

What is the Gun Show Loophole?

Gun shows, typically organized by gun owners' associations or professional promoters, are marketplaces where new and used guns, accessories, and historical curios are offered for sale.

The majority of gun shows are family-friendly events attended by law-abiding citizens who legally buy and sell guns and other merchandise. Unfortunately, because gun shows are home to the secondary market of unregulated gun sales by private sellers, gun shows have been found to be major sources of guns used in crimes. According to ATF, 30 percent of guns involved in federal illegal gun trafficking investigations are connected in some way to gun shows. Because no records are kept, guns sold by private sellers at gun shows become virtually untraceable.

Under federal law, all federally licensed gun dealers — including all gun stores and anyone who sells guns professionally — must conduct background checks on all prospective firearms purchasers. However the law does not apply to private dealers who make what the law calls "occasional sales" from their "personal collection." This gap in the law is called the gun show loophole because gun shows form a central marketplace for prohibited purchasers to connect with private sellers who make anonymous gun sales with no checks.

About the Investigation

A team of 40 private investigators supervised by the firm Kroll, a global leader in business intelligence and investigations, worked for four months to capture video of gun shows. Licensed as private investigators in 17 different states, the investigative team has more than 460 years of combined law enforcement experience, including retired federal agents and police officers. Every investigator who participated in the integrity tests was required to complete an intensive training program designed and administered by Kroll.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Bfgrn still hasn't addressed any of the quotes in the OP.

 

[daveman]

That is what people who have deep psychosis do. No reality, just black helicopters and paranoia.

Speaking of mental illness, did you know that pretending this post isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist?

Says the Koch mouthpiece? REALLY??

From your fairy tale:
Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the FBI before completing the sale.

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WHAT REAL human beings operating undercover at gun shows ACTUALLY found:

New York City? The city government that believes people can't be responsible with 32-oz sodas?

Yeah. THAT'S not at all tainted by agenda.

Dismissed.

 

[The Rabbi]

Says the Koch mouthpiece? REALLY??

From your fairy tale:
Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the FBI before completing the sale.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WHAT REAL human beings operating undercover at gun shows ACTUALLY found:

Private Sellers Exploited the Gun Show Loophole

Even though private unlicensed sellers are not required to run background checks using the FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check system, it is a federal felony for them to sell guns to people they have reason to believe are prohibited purchasers (such as felons or the mentally ill). In purchases attempted on 30 private sellers, the undercover investigator showed interest in buying a gun by asking about stopping power or by dry-firing the weapon. After agreeing on a price, the undercover would indicate that he probably couldn't pass a background check. At that point, the seller is required by law to refuse the sale — but only 11 out of 30 sellers did so. Investigators found private dealers who failed these integrity tests at every show, including two sellers who failed at multiple shows. In total, 19 of the 30 private sellers approached failed the integrity test.

The 11 sellers who terminated the sale confirmed that private sellers know the law. As one seller in Columbus, Ohio, explained "I mean even as a private citizen, I'm kind of allowed a certain latitude, but once you say that [you can't pass the background check], I'm kind of obligated not sell to you. I think that's what the rules are."

The investigation also revealed that some private sellers are in fact apparently "engaged in the business" of selling firearms without a federal license, in violation of the law. For example, one seller sold to investigators at three different gun shows and acknowledged selling 348 assault rifles in less than one year.

And you'll notice 1) it is already illegal, and 2) it makes no difference in crime rates.

Foiled again, BigFurryGreenStool.

Bullshit pea brain...

What is the Gun Show Loophole?

Gun shows, typically organized by gun owners' associations or professional promoters, are marketplaces where new and used guns, accessories, and historical curios are offered for sale.

The majority of gun shows are family-friendly events attended by law-abiding citizens who legally buy and sell guns and other merchandise. Unfortunately, because gun shows are home to the secondary market of unregulated gun sales by private sellers, gun shows have been found to be major sources of guns used in crimes. According to ATF, 30 percent of guns involved in federal illegal gun trafficking investigations are connected in some way to gun shows. Because no records are kept, guns sold by private sellers at gun shows become virtually untraceable.

Under federal law, all federally licensed gun dealers — including all gun stores and anyone who sells guns professionally — must conduct background checks on all prospective firearms purchasers. However the law does not apply to private dealers who make what the law calls "occasional sales" from their "personal collection." This gap in the law is called the gun show loophole because gun shows form a central marketplace for prohibited purchasers to connect with private sellers who make anonymous gun sales with no checks.

About the Investigation

A team of 40 private investigators supervised by the firm Kroll, a global leader in business intelligence and investigations, worked for four months to capture video of gun shows. Licensed as private investigators in 17 different states, the investigative team has more than 460 years of combined law enforcement experience, including retired federal agents and police officers. Every investigator who participated in the integrity tests was required to complete an intensive training program designed and administered by Kroll.

Yeah I realize your powers of critical thinking are nil. BUt "connected in some way" is meaningless. What does that mean? That the gun was sold to a felon at a gun show? That the gun was sold to a legal buyer and then stolen by a felon? That the gun was sold by a dealer who also sold a gun used in a crime later on?
It is meaningless. The truth is that the crime rate around gun shows is the same before and after.

You understand, retard, that I am a licensed firearms dealer and so am pretty well acquainted with all the laws and stats in thisarea, right?
You are getting your ass handed to you left and right. Time to quit while you're still behind.

 

[Moonglow]

You do know what Leviathan means? Don't you? You did not spell it correctly either.

Leviathan (/lɨˈvaɪ.əθən/; Hebrew: לִוְיָתָן, Modern ‹See Tfd›Livyatan Tiberian ‹See Tfd›Liwyāṯān ; "twisted, coiled") is a sea monster referenced in the Tanakh, or the Old Testament.

 

[Moonglow]

2nd amendment needs to spend more time on education and less time on anarchy.

 

[Abatis]

These radicals can only see the 2nd amendment as an absolute.

The 2nd Amendment is absolute.

It does absolutely nothing but redundantly forbid the federal government to exercise powers never granted to it. There is no equivocation or vacillation possible from that principle (while remaining constitutional).

What we have here is the manifestation of mental illness. It is called conservatism.

I SUPPORT the right of every LAW ABIDING citizen to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their family and their property. But the 2nd amendment is NOT an absolute.

Heller: 2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

What you are seeing is constitutionalism which tends to be politically conservative but no claims of exclusivity can be made.

What part of the fact that the 2nd Amendment is not the source of the right of the people to keep and bear arms don't you understand? The 2nd Amendment has only one action, to redundantly forbid the federal government to exercise powers it was never granted.

How can that not be absolute?

Your habit of quoting the syllabus is troublesome. It is not the opinion of the Court and it has zero legal impact. The actually passage your selection is paraphrasing is worded differently:

"Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. See, e.g., Sheldon, in 5 Blume 346; Rawle 123; Pomeroy 152–153; Abbott333. For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. See, e.g., State v. Chandler, 5 La. Ann., at 489–490; Nunn v. State, 1 Ga., at 251; see generally 2 Kent *340, n. 2; The American Students’ Blackstone 84, n. 11 (G. Chase ed. 1884). Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment , nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.26"​

Much less convenient for those who want to argue that the right depends upon the 2nd Amendment for its existence.

I DON'T support allowing laws that have holes that are being exploited by unscrupulous gun dealers not being changed.

In law the descriptor "gun dealer" means something specific. It doesn't include what you are haranguing about anymore than a hysterical rant about unscrupulous pharmacists supplying Molly at raves would be, both makes one sound like a goofball.

The government's FIRST duty is to protect it's citizens from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. A felon being able to buy any weapon he chooses in the safety of a gun show is NOT protecting the citizenry.

The government repeatedly letting armed offenders go free without a conviction is not protecting the citizenry.

St. Louis Police Chief Dan Isom (2.3MB pdf):

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"One thing we have to be aware of to give context to this whole problem is that we are looking at an urban problem. It’s much less a suburban or rural problem. It really affects young minorities— Hispanic and black males. I think that the suspects devalue life, the victims devalue life, and the system also devalues life. When you look at the shooting victims and suspects in these neighborhoods, you see 20 or 30 felony arrests, with eight convictions.

Often the convictions don’t result in any jail time at all; they’re getting probation on top of probation. This has caused a lot of us in cities to move toward federal prosecution, because we know on the state level it’s a hit-and-miss prospect: they’re arrested, they’re convicted, and they come out multiple times.

In Missouri, there’s a type of probation people can receive, and it has made it very difficult for us to establish a person as a convicted felon. I’ve heard other chiefs talking about the fact that a weapons charge in their state is only a misdemeanor offense. But in St. Louis, a weapons violation can turn out to be no offense at all. An individual will get arrested for a weapons charge, which is a felony, and often they plead to that case and get an SIS—a suspended imposition of sentence. It means that if you serve out your probation, which everybody does, that conviction is erased.

So if you’re arrested again with another weapon, you don’t have a conviction on your record, so you’re not a felon in possession of a weapon. If you continue to get multiple SISs, you never become a convicted felon. These offenders will often show up for other crimes, and if they never have a conviction, then you’re never able to put stiffer charges on them."​

I shouldn't need to but I will point out that these armed offenders that receive expungement on top of expungement are able to pass any background check you can think up.

These are such common sense measures that one can only conclude that I am dealing with mentally ill human beings or people with the mind of a small child.

And if assurances were made that expanded / universal background checks were not going to metamorphose into a gun / gun owner registry then there would be more support.

Problem for "reasonable" supporters of "common sense" gun control is that you had the statist authoritarian wackos of the Democrat party writing the bills and they were more interested in releasing their 20 year case of legislative blue-balls and poking a stick in the eye of gun owners and their evil overlord the NRA, than crafting a law that would actually stop prohibited people from getting guns.



Maybe the third time asking is the charm:

I would like an answer to my question from post 45; do you fundamentally disagree with JoeB131 that the Heller decision on the constitutionality of the DC statutes is the result of a "bizarre interpretation" of the 2nd Amendment?

 

[Bfgrn]

And you'll notice 1) it is already illegal, and 2) it makes no difference in crime rates.

Foiled again, BigFurryGreenStool.

Bullshit pea brain...

What is the Gun Show Loophole?

Gun shows, typically organized by gun owners' associations or professional promoters, are marketplaces where new and used guns, accessories, and historical curios are offered for sale.

The majority of gun shows are family-friendly events attended by law-abiding citizens who legally buy and sell guns and other merchandise. Unfortunately, because gun shows are home to the secondary market of unregulated gun sales by private sellers, gun shows have been found to be major sources of guns used in crimes. According to ATF, 30 percent of guns involved in federal illegal gun trafficking investigations are connected in some way to gun shows. Because no records are kept, guns sold by private sellers at gun shows become virtually untraceable.

Under federal law, all federally licensed gun dealers — including all gun stores and anyone who sells guns professionally — must conduct background checks on all prospective firearms purchasers. However the law does not apply to private dealers who make what the law calls "occasional sales" from their "personal collection." This gap in the law is called the gun show loophole because gun shows form a central marketplace for prohibited purchasers to connect with private sellers who make anonymous gun sales with no checks.

About the Investigation

A team of 40 private investigators supervised by the firm Kroll, a global leader in business intelligence and investigations, worked for four months to capture video of gun shows. Licensed as private investigators in 17 different states, the investigative team has more than 460 years of combined law enforcement experience, including retired federal agents and police officers. Every investigator who participated in the integrity tests was required to complete an intensive training program designed and administered by Kroll.

Yeah I realize your powers of critical thinking are nil. BUt "connected in some way" is meaningless. What does that mean? That the gun was sold to a felon at a gun show? That the gun was sold to a legal buyer and then stolen by a felon? That the gun was sold by a dealer who also sold a gun used in a crime later on?
It is meaningless. The truth is that the crime rate around gun shows is the same before and after.

You understand, retard, that I am a licensed firearms dealer and so am pretty well acquainted with all the laws and stats in thisarea, right?
You are getting your ass handed to you left and right. Time to quit while you're still behind.

Critical thinking? From YOU??

"People are not on unemployment for 2 years because there are no jobs. There are no jobs because people are on unemployment for 2 years."
The Rabbi

Here is some REAL critical thinking:

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

If there is loophole in the law that provides an easy and safe avenue for felons and executioners to buy guns that can be closed, you close it. It goes way beyond common sense. To know about it, and deny it matters is immoral. You have NEVER shown anything that could be mistaken for morality, honesty or character. You are a right wing scum bag.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bullshit pea brain...

What is the Gun Show Loophole?

Gun shows, typically organized by gun owners' associations or professional promoters, are marketplaces where new and used guns, accessories, and historical curios are offered for sale.

The majority of gun shows are family-friendly events attended by law-abiding citizens who legally buy and sell guns and other merchandise. Unfortunately, because gun shows are home to the secondary market of unregulated gun sales by private sellers, gun shows have been found to be major sources of guns used in crimes. According to ATF, 30 percent of guns involved in federal illegal gun trafficking investigations are connected in some way to gun shows. Because no records are kept, guns sold by private sellers at gun shows become virtually untraceable.

Under federal law, all federally licensed gun dealers — including all gun stores and anyone who sells guns professionally — must conduct background checks on all prospective firearms purchasers. However the law does not apply to private dealers who make what the law calls "occasional sales" from their "personal collection." This gap in the law is called the gun show loophole because gun shows form a central marketplace for prohibited purchasers to connect with private sellers who make anonymous gun sales with no checks.

About the Investigation

A team of 40 private investigators supervised by the firm Kroll, a global leader in business intelligence and investigations, worked for four months to capture video of gun shows. Licensed as private investigators in 17 different states, the investigative team has more than 460 years of combined law enforcement experience, including retired federal agents and police officers. Every investigator who participated in the integrity tests was required to complete an intensive training program designed and administered by Kroll.

Yeah I realize your powers of critical thinking are nil. BUt "connected in some way" is meaningless. What does that mean? That the gun was sold to a felon at a gun show? That the gun was sold to a legal buyer and then stolen by a felon? That the gun was sold by a dealer who also sold a gun used in a crime later on?
It is meaningless. The truth is that the crime rate around gun shows is the same before and after.

You understand, retard, that I am a licensed firearms dealer and so am pretty well acquainted with all the laws and stats in thisarea, right?
You are getting your ass handed to you left and right. Time to quit while you're still behind.

Critical thinking? From YOU??

"People are not on unemployment for 2 years because there are no jobs. There are no jobs because people are on unemployment for 2 years."
The Rabbi

Here is some REAL critical thinking:

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

If there is loophole in the law that provides an easy and safe avenue for felons and executioners to buy guns that can be closed, you close it. It goes way beyond common sense. To know about it, and deny it matters is immoral. You have NEVER shown anything that could be mistaken for morality, honesty or character. You are a right wing scum bag.

You prove your stupidity with every post. Even after I showed you an article that supported the quotation you insist it is nonsense. You insist because you are ignorant of economics and government policy. As you are here too.

There is already a safe and easy avenue for felons to get guns. They steal them. Or buy them from people who steal them. Since all of that is already illegal it makes no sense hampering lawful commerce to achieve a goal which is unachievable.

Again, you cannot show that gun shows spur crimes. You cannot because there is no evidence of it.

 

[JoeB131]

Heller is a 5-4 "Opinion".

Which means half the court didn't agree with this bizare intrpretation.

What "bizarre interpretation" would that be?

That the discussion of the protection sphere of the 2nd Amendment is no longer a question of whether the Second Amendment protects a “collective right” or an “individual right”; that it surely protects a right that is separately possessed and can be enforced by individuals?

Even Heller admits that there is still a need to restrict certain kinds of weapons and restrict certain people from having them.

Which is why Joker Holmes couldn't go out and buy a howitzer...

In fact, the logic twisting Scalia had to go through to keep really heavy weapons from being an "individual right" was kind of amusing if not sad to watch.

 

[The Rabbi]

Heller is a 5-4 "Opinion".

Which means half the court didn't agree with this bizare intrpretation.

What "bizarre interpretation" would that be?

That the discussion of the protection sphere of the 2nd Amendment is no longer a question of whether the Second Amendment protects a “collective right” or an “individual right”; that it surely protects a right that is separately possessed and can be enforced by individuals?

Even Heller admits that there is still a need to restrict certain kinds of weapons and restrict certain people from having them.

Which is why Joker Holmes couldn't go out and buy a howitzer...

In fact, the logic twisting Scalia had to go through to keep really heavy weapons from being an "individual right" was kind of amusing if not sad to watch.

Gee Joe, that 5th grade educaiton hampering you again?

Heller does not state there is a need to restrict weapons. Heller states that certain restrictions are within constitutional grounds.
Scalia went through no twisting whatsoever. He demonstrated what the original intent was: that "arms" referred to personal weapons a single individual would carry. As opposed to crew served weapons.

As usual you didnt read the opinion so have no first hand knowledge of it. What you did read you misunderstood because, let's face it Joe, you're stupid.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Actually, this entire Case of full of win.

Why do Libtards ever quote or refer to it for Gun Grabbing purposes?

Actually not.

Many ‘gun rights’ extremists were opposed to bringing a Second Amendment case to the High Court for fear of what indeed happened: codification of reasonable restrictions on firearms.

In fact, it can be argued Heller was just as much a win for gun control advocates, in that virtually all regulatory measures are now considered Constitutional save that of an outright ban.

‘Gun rights’ extremists fantasized about ‘onerous’ gun control measures in states such as California, New York, and New Jersey being invalidated as lawsuits steamrolled across the Nation.

None of that has come to pass, and likely never will, as post-Heller/McDonald case law becomes accepted and settled.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Heller is a 5-4 "Opinion".

Which means half the court didn't agree with this bizare intrpretation.

And Scalia can't live forever.

So was Obamacare and DOMA, as well as Prop 8. Yet you hail these "opinions" as resounding edicts from the Supreme Court.

Just as Scalia can't live forever, I think Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have an even harder time doing so.

Sucks for you, Joe.

What makes you believe the 45th President, Hillary Clinton will replace Bader Ginsburg with a conservative?

What makes you think Hillary Clinton will become the 45th President of The United States? You idiot. Replace that hole in your head with a brain.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Actually, this entire Case of full of win.

Why do Libtards ever quote or refer to it for Gun Grabbing purposes?

Actually not.

Many ‘gun rights’ extremists were opposed to bringing a Second Amendment case to the High Court for fear of what indeed happened: codification of reasonable restrictions on firearms.

In fact, it can be argued Heller was just as much a win for gun control advocates, in that virtually all regulatory measures are now considered Constitutional save that of an outright ban.

‘Gun rights’ extremists fantasized about ‘onerous’ gun control measures in states such as California, New York, and New Jersey being invalidated as lawsuits steamrolled across the Nation.

None of that has come to pass, and likely never will, as post-Heller/McDonald case law becomes accepted and settled.

Notice that Clayton hasn't responded into any of the quotes in the OP.

He has gone totally Leviathan.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Actually, this entire Case of full of win.

Why do Libtards ever quote or refer to it for Gun Grabbing purposes?

Actually not.

Many ‘gun rights’ extremists were opposed to bringing a Second Amendment case to the High Court for fear of what indeed happened: codification of reasonable restrictions on firearms.

In fact, it can be argued Heller was just as much a win for gun control advocates, in that virtually all regulatory measures are now considered Constitutional save that of an outright ban.

‘Gun rights’ extremists fantasized about ‘onerous’ gun control measures in states such as California, New York, and New Jersey being invalidated as lawsuits steamrolled across the Nation.

None of that has come to pass, and likely never will, as post-Heller/McDonald case law becomes accepted and settled.

Notice that Clayton hasn't responded into any of the quotes in the OP.

He has gone totally Leviathan.

As it is said: "In every Liberal, there is a totalitarian screaming to get out."

 

[The Rabbi]

Actually, this entire Case of full of win.

Why do Libtards ever quote or refer to it for Gun Grabbing purposes?

Actually not.

Many ‘gun rights’ extremists were opposed to bringing a Second Amendment case to the High Court for fear of what indeed happened: codification of reasonable restrictions on firearms.

In fact, it can be argued Heller was just as much a win for gun control advocates, in that virtually all regulatory measures are now considered Constitutional save that of an outright ban.

‘Gun rights’ extremists fantasized about ‘onerous’ gun control measures in states such as California, New York, and New Jersey being invalidated as lawsuits steamrolled across the Nation.

None of that has come to pass, and likely never will, as post-Heller/McDonald case law becomes accepted and settled.

The Court left open what constitutes a "reasonable restriction." We will see that defined later. So far we have:
The 2A is an individual right.
The 2A applies to states as well as the Federal government.
The 2A applies to personal weapons commonly used by the militia

Coming up we will discover that the 2A guarantees the right to keep AND bear arms,meaning that there can be no ban on carrying guns either.
Coming up will be decisions that show that something tantamount to a ban on weapons is also unconstitutional.
Coming up will be a decision that restrictions must pass "strict scruitiny" tests for reasonableness.

No, the landscape looks bad for 2A opponents and their absurd "reasonable and commonsense measures."