dilloduck
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- May 8, 2004
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dilloduck said:take care of yourself !!!!
un-fucking amazing-----the US tries to defend itself from terrorists around the world and they are pissed because it scares them.
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dilloduck said:take care of yourself !!!!
Redz said:nation states do abide by international law. or else they face U.N sanctions.
either way why reduce yourself to their level
America is a great nation and there is zero evidence that the situation in iraq has prevented a single terrorist attack
Iraq never attacked you EVER
Redz said:look i think you are better informed in this than me, but he stimulated the economy by running up a big defict and by weaking the value of the dollar. middleclass are over taxed so tax the rich even more as they have too much. i propose a cribs tax. A $10000000 special tax if you appear on the show
yes for example the millions who died in iraq because of american supported un sanctions, the economic ruin visited on iraq and cuba. sanctions can and are effective because they cost nations money and sadly thats all that countsZhukov said:Yes, and we've all witnessed just how frighteningly effective those are.
I don't believe we have. If you believe what we are doing today around the world is in any way equivalent to what the Islamofascists would like to do to us, as you are implying it is, then it probably isn't worth arguing the point with you.
The fact that there is one fewer madman who hates this country, has ties to international terrorists, has the capability to manufacture sophisticated chemical and biological weapons, and has the power of a state behind him is good enough for me.
They attacked us constantly between the two wars.
Redz said:when? did they ever actually attack american soil?
that you have to get technical shows how weak your arguments are!!!!!!dilloduck said:An American vessel is legally American soil
Redz said:that you have to get technical shows how weak your arguments are!!!!!!
did they ever attack the mainland or any civilians???
good economic points bonnie, but its not simple its really complex.Bonnie said:9/11 it created a resession which we are now coming out of quite healthily.
Redz said:yes for example the millions who died in iraq because of american supported un sanctions, the economic ruin visited on iraq and cuba. sanctions can and are effective because they cost nations money and sadly thats all that counts
i am not impling that, i'm just impling that the notion of preemptive strike is flawed and will lead to political chaos if other nations start doing it.
good that saddams gone,but now there is just a lawless mess of country perfect for loads of terrorists to go to. its terrorist disney land!
when? did they ever actually attack american soil?
i never said they had no reason to attack iraq, just that when they did they established the notion of a preemptive attack. this principal when its logically applied to other countries leads to chaos, as any nation can just attack another nation whom it suspects may attack it as some stage. this is crazy and you know itdilloduck said:Hold up a sec here----You are the one saying that the US technically had no reason to invade Iraq. Pick your poison!
Redz said:good economic points bonnie, but its not simple its really complex.
everybody wants to pay less tax. thats just human nature. your earlier point about small business was good. i just think the rich can afford to pay more. i believe that the state should provide certain things for its citizens, like welfare.
i think you would appreciate it more if you lost your job.
9/11 didn't create that recession, sure it cost the economy a lot of money and more importantly lives,but the recession was happening already and had started in summer 2001, politicans just like to blame it on 9/11, once again abusing the memory of those who died
Redz said:i never said they had no reason to attack iraq, just that when they did they established the notion of a preemptive attack. this principal when its logically applied to other countries leads to chaos, as any nation can just attack another nation whom it suspects may attack it as some stage. this is crazy and you know it
Redz said:good economic points bonnie, but its not simple its really complex.
everybody wants to pay less tax. thats just human nature. your earlier point about small business was good. i just think the rich can afford to pay more. i believe that the state should provide certain things for its citizens, like welfare.
i think you would appreciate it more if you lost your job.
9/11 didn't create that recession, sure it cost the economy a lot of money and more importantly lives,but the recession was happening already and had started in summer 2001, politicans just like to blame it on 9/11, once again abusing the memory of those who died
where to start??Zhukov said:American supported UN sanctions. Guess what event lifted those sanctions?
If it is justified they have our support. If not, then they most likely will not, and they'd better be prepared for that. No, this notion will not lead to chaos, what leads to chaos is when evil is alowed to spread while the world does nothing.
During this war Saddam Hussein invaded and occupied a sovereign nation with the intent of absorbing it into his own country.
By the power of the United States of America and our allies his forces were pushed from Kuwait and largely destroyed.
As a consequence of this defeat Saddam Hussein signed a treaty that required his acceptance of no fly zones over portions of Iraq and the unimpeded enforcement of those no fly zones by coalition aircraft.
On a near daily basis he engaged in intimidation by radar lock, and on numerous occasions actually launched missiles at American and English fighter jets.
This, by any definition, is a violation of international law and an act of war.
Redz said:where to start??
lifted the sanctions once they occupied the country how generious
who decides whats justified?? now that the idea of attacking a soverign nation is acceptable, anyone can do anything to another country. who decides whats evil??
rummy?? get real. there is no good and there is no evil, just a bunch of people on a spinning rock in space
whoever wins tommorrow iraq will be a grave for poor young americans for years.
Radar Lock!!!
you should have nuked them all Eh?
i mean an actual iraqi goverment attack on U.S soil which never ever happened!
Shattered said:Sure, the rich CAN afford to pay more, but give me a single good reason why they should be penalized just to cover your ass, when they're the ones busting their ass to EARN more money.
The State ISN'T providing "things" for its citizens, like welfare. I'M providing it, and every OTHER person who crawls their ass out of bed on a daily basis to go to work to EARN the money that's being handed to welfare recipients.
Therefore, since it's partially MY money, I say welfare should be cut completely off after a period of not more than 6 months. If you're on welfare, and you're spitting out children, you get cut off immediately. If you're sucking up ,y money, I say you can't afford to have more children.
Redz said:good economic points bonnie, but its not simple its really complex.
everybody wants to pay less tax. thats just human nature. your earlier point about small business was good. i just think the rich can afford to pay more. i believe that the state should provide certain things for its citizens, like welfare.
i think you would appreciate it more if you lost your job.
9/11 didn't create that recession, sure it cost the economy a lot of money and more importantly lives,but the recession was happening already and had started in summer 2001, politicans just like to blame it on 9/11, once again abusing the memory of those who died
how about a real effort to solve israel-palestinedilloduck said:OK i'll bite--what should the US done to make Ireland feel safer?