BREAKING: Trump team said to tell Israelis: Western Wall is not your territory

[teddyearp]

The Jewish "people" ... that were indigenous to Palestine, converted to Christianity almost 2,000 years ago. Those Christians, for the most part, then converted to Islam.

Fine. Sure. No one is really arguing against this in its broadest terms.

What we are discussing is how these events influence your understanding of the Israel/Arab conflict and how you use it to formulate an argument (or a set of rules, guidelines and policies) to make your case.

The Jewish people that were indigenous to the territory, were overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances negated the indigenous Jewish peoples rights to the territory.

The Roman Christian rulers of the territory were then overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly or voluntarily converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances negated the rights of the previous rulers.

The Arab Muslim rulers of the territory were then overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly or voluntarily converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances, if your argument is consistent, negated the rights of the previous rulers.

The Jewish Israeli rulers of the territory are now the ones who hold the rights to that territory. At least, it would be, if your argument was consistent.

Still purposely conflating Europeans with biblical Jews, I see.

Still clueless, I see.

 

[Shusha]

Expecting monti to be consistent is like expecting the sun to not set.

Clearly. But I'm not holding out hope for Monte. Its for those reading and not posting. Or for those who don't understand the foundation of the conflict for whom I hold out hope.

 

[Shusha]

Still purposely conflating Europeans with biblical Jews, I see.

Again, I didn't even mention Europeans. But I'll clarify since my meaning escaped you:

The current Israeli rulers of the territory are now the ones who hold the rights to that territory. At least, it would be, if your argument was consistent.

 

[louie888]

Still purposely conflating Europeans with biblical Jews, I see.

Again, I didn't even mention Europeans. But I'll clarify since my meaning escaped you:

The current Israeli rulers of the territory are now the ones who hold the rights to that territory. At least, it would be, if your argument was consistent.

Nope.

Again, that's your argument and I find it idiotic to be honest.

 

[Roudy]

The Jewish "people" ... that were indigenous to Palestine, converted to Christianity almost 2,000 years ago. Those Christians, for the most part, then converted to Islam.

Fine. Sure. No one is really arguing against this in its broadest terms.

What we are discussing is how these events influence your understanding of the Israel/Arab conflict and how you use it to formulate an argument (or a set of rules, guidelines and policies) to make your case.

The Jewish people that were indigenous to the territory, were overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances negated the indigenous Jewish peoples rights to the territory.

The Roman Christian rulers of the territory were then overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly or voluntarily converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances negated the rights of the previous rulers.

The Arab Muslim rulers of the territory were then overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly or voluntarily converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances, if your argument is consistent, negated the rights of the previous rulers.

The Jewish Israeli rulers of the territory are now the ones who hold the rights to that territory. At least, it would be, if your argument was consistent.

Still purposely conflating Europeans with biblical Jews, I see.

Still clueless, I see.

Funny thing is the retard actually thinks he's making a "point".

 

[teddyearp]

Still purposely conflating Europeans with biblical Jews, I see.

Again, I didn't even mention Europeans. But I'll clarify since my meaning escaped you:

The current Israeli rulers of the territory are now the ones who hold the rights to that territory. At least, it would be, if your argument was consistent.

Nope.

Again, that's your argument and I find it idiotic to be honest.

Only because you are too idiotic to think logically.

 

[teddyearp]

The Jewish "people" ... that were indigenous to Palestine, converted to Christianity almost 2,000 years ago. Those Christians, for the most part, then converted to Islam.

Fine. Sure. No one is really arguing against this in its broadest terms.

What we are discussing is how these events influence your understanding of the Israel/Arab conflict and how you use it to formulate an argument (or a set of rules, guidelines and policies) to make your case.

The Jewish people that were indigenous to the territory, were overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances negated the indigenous Jewish peoples rights to the territory.

The Roman Christian rulers of the territory were then overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly or voluntarily converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances negated the rights of the previous rulers.

The Arab Muslim rulers of the territory were then overtaken (expelled, murdered, forcibly or voluntarily converted, colonized) by an external force. These circumstances, if your argument is consistent, negated the rights of the previous rulers.

The Jewish Israeli rulers of the territory are now the ones who hold the rights to that territory. At least, it would be, if your argument was consistent.

Still purposely conflating Europeans with biblical Jews, I see.

Still clueless, I see.

Funny thing is the retard actually thinks he's making a "point".

I know, right?

 

[Shusha]

Still purposely conflating Europeans with biblical Jews, I see.

Again, I didn't even mention Europeans. But I'll clarify since my meaning escaped you:

The current Israeli rulers of the territory are now the ones who hold the rights to that territory. At least, it would be, if your argument was consistent.

Nope.

Again, that's your argument and I find it idiotic to be honest.

Nope. My argument is that the indigenous peoples and the long term tenants BOTH have rights. Try to keep up.

 

[montelatici]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity after the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire around 380 AD. Conversion was required for residency. These Christians began to convert to Islam after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Most, if not all, converted back to Christianity after the establishment of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which reestablished the law that required adherence to Christianity (Muslims could only reside within the Kingdom as slaves). After Saladin defeated the Latin Kingdom about a century later, the Christians that remained in the Territory began converting to Islam until by 1920 only about 15% of the population was still Christian.

Any other reading of history is fantasy and science fiction.

 

[Hollie]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity after the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire around 380 AD. Conversion was required for residency. These Christians began to convert to Islam after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Most, if not all, converted back to Christianity after the establishment of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which reestablished the law that required adherence to Christianity (Muslims could only reside within the Kingdom as slaves). After Saladin defeated the Latin Kingdom about a century later, the Christians that remained in the Territory began converting to Islam until by 1920 only about 15% of the population was still Christian.

Any other reading of history is fantasy and science fiction.

Could you cut and paste that a few more times?

You have only cut and pasted that several dozen times and per your usual cutting and pasting, we will expect the above to be dumped into various threads several dozen times again.

 

[louie888]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity after the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire around 380 AD. Conversion was required for residency. These Christians began to convert to Islam after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Most, if not all, converted back to Christianity after the establishment of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which reestablished the law that required adherence to Christianity (Muslims could only reside within the Kingdom as slaves). After Saladin defeated the Latin Kingdom about a century later, the Christians that remained in the Territory began converting to Islam until by 1920 only about 15% of the population was still Christian.

Any other reading of history is fantasy and science fiction.

Could you cut and paste that a few more times?

You have only cut and pasted that several dozen times and per your usual cutting and pasting, we will expect the above to be dumped into various threads several dozen times again.

But it has never been refuted and although you people must be aware of this by now, you continue to preach ignorance on this matter.

 

[Hollie]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity after the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire around 380 AD. Conversion was required for residency. These Christians began to convert to Islam after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Most, if not all, converted back to Christianity after the establishment of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which reestablished the law that required adherence to Christianity (Muslims could only reside within the Kingdom as slaves). After Saladin defeated the Latin Kingdom about a century later, the Christians that remained in the Territory began converting to Islam until by 1920 only about 15% of the population was still Christian.

Any other reading of history is fantasy and science fiction.

Could you cut and paste that a few more times?

You have only cut and pasted that several dozen times and per your usual cutting and pasting, we will expect the above to be dumped into various threads several dozen times again.

But it has never been refuted and although you people must be aware of this by now, you continue to preach ignorance on this matter.

Actually, Mo', it self-refutes. You people aren't aware of that because you people aren't real bright.

 

[louie888]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity after the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire around 380 AD. Conversion was required for residency. These Christians began to convert to Islam after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Most, if not all, converted back to Christianity after the establishment of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which reestablished the law that required adherence to Christianity (Muslims could only reside within the Kingdom as slaves). After Saladin defeated the Latin Kingdom about a century later, the Christians that remained in the Territory began converting to Islam until by 1920 only about 15% of the population was still Christian.

Any other reading of history is fantasy and science fiction.

Could you cut and paste that a few more times?

You have only cut and pasted that several dozen times and per your usual cutting and pasting, we will expect the above to be dumped into various threads several dozen times again.

But it has never been refuted and although you people must be aware of this by now, you continue to preach ignorance on this matter.

Actually, Mo', it self-refutes. You people aren't aware of that because you people aren't real bright.

How doe it self-refute?

 

[Roudy]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity after the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire around 380 AD. Conversion was required for residency. These Christians began to convert to Islam after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Most, if not all, converted back to Christianity after the establishment of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which reestablished the law that required adherence to Christianity (Muslims could only reside within the Kingdom as slaves). After Saladin defeated the Latin Kingdom about a century later, the Christians that remained in the Territory began converting to Islam until by 1920 only about 15% of the population was still Christian.

Any other reading of history is fantasy and science fiction.

Bullshit!

Jews in Safed Petition for Protection | CIE

February 18, 1577

Jews in Safed deliver a petition to the Ottoman Sultan seeking protection from persecution by local officials. Jews wanted protection against extortion, robberies and violence. Local officials also required Jews to violate the Sabbath by performing menial tasks.

The request states, “The Sanjak-Beg (a local Ottoman official) troubles us at present saying, ‘Most certainly you shall work (on Shabbat).’ He also demands excessive amounts of money. As we are not in a position to pay the money he makes us transport dung on that day (Shabbat).” (Source: Heyd, Uriel, Ottoman Documents on Palestine 1552-1615: A Study of the Firman according to the Muhimme Defteri, London: Oxford University Press, 1960, p. 166-167).

The document reveals the precarious nature of Jewish life under Ottoman rule as well as a continuing presence in the land of Israel before the establishment of the Zionist movement. In the 16th century, Safed (Tzfat) was the largest Jewish community in Ottoman Palestine. This petition came during a time of growth of that community. Evidence of the growth would come in September 1577 when the Sultan would ask for an investigation into the taxes being paid by the Jewish community in light of the fact that “their additional population comprises a considerable number of people.” (Heyd, p. 121).

Safed was also an important religious center. In 1565, Joseph Karo published the Shulkhan Arukh (the Set Table), an authoritative and comprehensive work on Jewish law. He wrote and taught in Safed at the same time as Isaac Luria, the founder of modern Jewish Mysticism. (The photo shows the Sephardi quarter of Safed in 1895)

Under Ottoman rule, Jews and other non-Muslims were protected people, or dhimmis, in Arabic. As such, Judaism and Christianity were tolerated religions. Their followers were allowed to practice their faith openly and organize in autonomous [self‐ruled] communities, as long as they followed a set of specific rules. The level of autonomy as well as other rights given to them would vary from ruler to ruler.

 

[teddyearp]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity<snip>

Why not get this straight, monti? NOT ALL converted, as you have admitted in several other threads when cornered. Sure the Jews were driven out of Jerusalem by the Romans, but they moved north to Tivira and Tzfat and created thriving Jewish communities there for the duration including up to now.

 

[teddyearp]

Ok, folks. This thread has run its course. Sure the early claims of this being fake news are false, but as I said in post # 12, it will be sorted out. And now days ago it has:

Official who said Jews’ holiest prayer site is not part of Israel does ‘not represent the position of US and certainly not of president’

Link: White House: Western Wall comments ‘unauthorized,’ do not represent Trump’s stance

Another thing of note is that the 'official' who first made this statement was not and still remains un named.

/end thread

 

[Hollie]

Let's get something straight. The vast majority, if not all, of the indigenous people of the territory called Palestine converted to Christianity after the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire around 380 AD. Conversion was required for residency. These Christians began to convert to Islam after the 7th century Muslim conquest. Most, if not all, converted back to Christianity after the establishment of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem which reestablished the law that required adherence to Christianity (Muslims could only reside within the Kingdom as slaves). After Saladin defeated the Latin Kingdom about a century later, the Christians that remained in the Territory began converting to Islam until by 1920 only about 15% of the population was still Christian.

Any other reading of history is fantasy and science fiction.

Could you cut and paste that a few more times?

You have only cut and pasted that several dozen times and per your usual cutting and pasting, we will expect the above to be dumped into various threads several dozen times again.

But it has never been refuted and although you people must be aware of this by now, you continue to preach ignorance on this matter.

Actually, Mo', it self-refutes. You people aren't aware of that because you people aren't real bright.

How doe it self-refute?

Think, Habib. Think!

The geographic area of Pal'istan was the subject of various invasions by various cultures. The Monty references the Islamist conquest and conversions at different times in history brought about by the churn of the conquering culture.

 

[louie888]

Ok, folks. This thread has run its course. Sure the early claims of this being fake news are false, but as I said in post # 12, it will be sorted out. And now days ago it has:

Official who said Jews’ holiest prayer site is not part of Israel does ‘not represent the position of US and certainly not of president’

Link: White House: Western Wall comments ‘unauthorized,’ do not represent Trump’s stance

Another thing of note is that the 'official' who first made this statement was not and still remains un named.

/end thread

You ended the thread with an Israeli Jewish fake news link?

 

[teddyearp]

Ok, folks. This thread has run its course. Sure the early claims of this being fake news are false, but as I said in post # 12, it will be sorted out. And now days ago it has:

Official who said Jews’ holiest prayer site is not part of Israel does ‘not represent the position of US and certainly not of president’

Link: White House: Western Wall comments ‘unauthorized,’ do not represent Trump’s stance

Another thing of note is that the 'official' who first made this statement was not and still remains un named.

/end thread

You ended the thread with an Israeli Jewish fake news link?

The same information was posted on a few other news sites days ago. Try to keep up. That link was the first one I found.

 

[louie888]

Ok, folks. This thread has run its course. Sure the early claims of this being fake news are false, but as I said in post # 12, it will be sorted out. And now days ago it has:

Official who said Jews’ holiest prayer site is not part of Israel does ‘not represent the position of US and certainly not of president’

Link: White House: Western Wall comments ‘unauthorized,’ do not represent Trump’s stance

Another thing of note is that the 'official' who first made this statement was not and still remains un named.

/end thread

You ended the thread with an Israeli Jewish fake news link?

The same information was posted on a few other news sites days ago. Try to keep up. That link was the first one I found.

So? Your only point is that you swallow up fake news/Jewish lies faster than they can vomit it up.