But....Japan has gun control? So how was the Prime Minister shot? Breaking news.....

[Captain Caveman]

Nope......suicides do not count....as Japan shows...

The majority of murder in the U.S. is criminals murdering criminals, and of the rest, most of the victims are the friends and family of the criminals caught in the crossfire.......

You have to include suicides to push up your numbers......otherwise you can't stampede uninformed people into giving you more power.

37% of your yearly thirty plus thousand killings are homicides.

 

[JoeB131]

How?

The police and prosecutors have almost absolute power......you hate our cops....imagine if you had Japanese cops....cops who could stop you in the street, enter your home, and search you whenever they wanted, for whatever reason they wanted.......and if they arrest you? You are going to jail and prison....you are not going to get released on bail for years.......

How is it that the Japanese only need to lock up 69,000 people when the US locks up 2MM people.

If prisons were the answer, the Japanese would have a lot more people in prison, if their cops were as bad as you say they are.

 

[2aguy]

37% of your yearly thirty plus thousand killings are homicides.

Yep, criminals murdering criminals……

Then we have 1.1 million times a year that Americans use their guns to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, and mass public shootings…..

That number dwarfs the criminals murdered by other criminals…..

Then you have to address the fact that 246 years of gun murder in the U.S. doesn’t come close to the six years where you Europeans murdered 15 million innocent men, women, and children….

 

[2aguy]

How is it that the Japanese only need to lock up 69,000 people when the US locks up 2MM people.

If prisons were the answer, the Japanese would have a lot more people in prison, if their cops were as bad as you say they are.

They have a police state…..if they arrest you you are going to prison.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Yep, criminals murdering criminals……

Then we have 1.1 million times a year that Americans use their guns to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, and mass public shootings…..

That number dwarfs the criminals murdered by other criminals…..

Then you have to address the fact that 246 years of gun murder in the U.S. doesn’t come close to the six years where you Europeans murdered 15 million innocent men, women, and children….

Nope, your post is riddled with fallacies. Straight away, when I was doing that thread on the self protection fallacy and replying to the usual numpties, a link/article pointed out that most US women don't carry a gun, they're not used against rape.

Rather than blurt out opinion, you need to back your claims with studies, we don't want to sound bite articles from Right Wing gun nut sites.

 

[woodwork201]

Could you do us a favour, could you provide us a list of gun incidents in Japan.

In 2014 Japan had 6 gun deaths.

In the same year, America had 33,599.

Oh boy, your list is gonna be fantastic, can't wait for it

In 2014, Japan had over 25,000 suicides. The lack of guns didn't save any one; it simply meant a different tool was used.

Reducing gun deaths does not equal reducing deaths any more than banning all red shirts would reduce the number of people wearing shirts. But wearing red shirts would go way down.

 

[woodwork201]

most US women don't carry a gun, they're not used against rape.

We need to fix that. We definitely need more guns in the hands of American women. Glad to hear you're on board.

 

[Smokin' OP]

In 2014, Japan had over 25,000 suicides. The lack of guns didn't save any one; it simply meant a different tool was used.

Reducing gun deaths does not equal reducing deaths any more than banning all red shirts would reduce the number of people wearing shirts. But wearing red shirts would go way down.

So, lets ban traffic laws, after all, they obviously don't work.
People are still getting injured and killed, so, traffic laws are a huge failure.

No experience, no age limit, no license, no problem.

 

[Captain Caveman]

In 2014, Japan had over 25,000 suicides. The lack of guns didn't save any one; it simply meant a different tool was used.

Reducing gun deaths does not equal reducing deaths any more than banning all red shirts would reduce the number of people wearing shirts. But wearing red shirts would go way down.

Oh heavens, another clown. I'll shall ask the question again, but in a simple way, "Could you provide us a list of gun incidents in Japan."

 

[zaangalewa]

But....Japan has gun control? So how was the Prime Minister shot? Breaking news.....​

I feel pain, dear honorable Mr. Shinzo Abe, that your death was caused from a bloodthirsty barbar and that this barbaric US-American weapon fetishists here feel always the need to tell everyone in the world how unbelieveable stupid they are.

I hope you are now in the very best hands you are able to be - in the hands of god, who loves all of his children.

 

[woodwork201]

Nope, your post is riddled with fallacies. Straight away, when I was doing that thread on the self protection fallacy and replying to the usual numpties, a link/article pointed out that most US women don't carry a gun, they're not used against rape.

Rather than blurt out opinion, you need to back your claims with studies, we don't want to sound bite articles from Right Wing gun nut sites.

London recently had a murder rate greater than NYC's. Banning guns doesn't stop deaths; it just changes gun deaths to beating deaths and knife deaths.

 

[Smokin' OP]

London recently had a murder rate greater than NYC's. Banning guns doesn't stop deaths; it just changes gun deaths to beating deaths and knife deaths.

Sure they did, for TWO months................FOUR years ago.

April 3rd 2018
A surge of stabbings in London was blamed Monday for the city overtaking New York's monthly murder tally for the first time in modern history. Fifteen people were murdered in London during February, compared to 14 in New York, according to police figures.

The British capital also suffered 22 fatal stabbings and shootings in March, higher than the 21 in New York. There have been 10 fatal stabbings in London in the last 19 days.

 

[JoeB131]

Then you have to address the fact that 246 years of gun murder in the U.S. doesn’t come close to the six years where you Europeans murdered 15 million innocent men, women, and children….

No, we just genocided the shit out of Native Americans in that time. But they don't count because they weren't white people.

 

[JoeB131]

In 2014, Japan had over 25,000 suicides. The lack of guns didn't save any one; it simply meant a different tool was used.

Reducing gun deaths does not equal reducing deaths any more than banning all red shirts would reduce the number of people wearing shirts. But wearing red shirts would go way down.

The Japanese have a completely different attitude about suicide than Americans do. They consider it honorable before disgrace in the eyes of their families.

 

[woodwork201]

The Japanese have a completely different attitude about suicide than Americans do. They consider it honorable before disgrace in the eyes of their families.

That's right. Japanese culture is different than American culture. But if the Japanese had guns at the rates Americans have guns then their gun death rate would actually be higher than Americans - because it's the culture and not the gun. They don't have guns so they use a different tool. But they commit suicide at a much higher rate.

 

[JoeB131]

That's right. Japanese culture is different than American culture. But if the Japanese had guns at the rates Americans have guns then their gun death rate would actually be higher than Americans - because it's the culture and not the gun. They don't have guns so they use a different tool. But they commit suicide at a much higher rate.

but they don't commit murder at a particularly high rate because they can't get guns, that's kind of the point.

Americans have a culture where suicide is considered a sin, but we have a high suicide rate because guns are available.

 

[Captain Caveman]

London recently had a murder rate greater than NYC's. Banning guns doesn't stop deaths; it just changes gun deaths to beating deaths and knife deaths.

That is fantastic, so much so, bloody fantastic.

Ok, back to the thread of all the horrendous gun shootings in Japan. Any chance you could supply a list of the Japanese gun incidents, or are you just gonna continue with a pile of shite irrelevant to the topic?

If anyone wants to discuss suicides, set a thread up. Anyone want to discuss violence in cities, set a thread up.

This thread is 2aguy's retarded thought that a gun incidents can not happen in Japan because of gun control, so this paves the way for the stupid gun beliefs in America.

 

[2aguy]

Nope, your post is riddled with fallacies. Straight away, when I was doing that thread on the self protection fallacy and replying to the usual numpties, a link/article pointed out that most US women don't carry a gun, they're not used against rape.

Rather than blurt out opinion, you need to back your claims with studies, we don't want to sound bite articles from Right Wing gun nut sites.

And yet when they do have guns, guns are the most effective tool to stop rape.......and, dipshit.....women are one of the biggest growth areas for concealed carry....you dumb ass....they are learning...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and less likely to be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

 

[2aguy]

So, lets ban traffic laws, after all, they obviously don't work.
People are still getting injured and killed, so, traffic laws are a huge failure.

No experience, no age limit, no license, no problem.

No....you are the idiot with the stupid logic.....

Some people use guns illegally....ban guns....

Therefore, twit.....according to your logic, some people kill people in cars...ban cars.....

You are the one who doesn't understand logic.....you are an irrational dumb ass...

 

[2aguy]

The Japanese have a completely different attitude about suicide than Americans do. They consider it honorable before disgrace in the eyes of their families.

Doesn't matter......they have extreme gun control, and higher suicide rates than we do...then you have to explain all the European countries with higher suicide rates than we do.....

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jea/14/6/14_6_187/_pdf







And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



Suicide facts and figures



Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



South Korea 24.7

Hungary 21

Japan 19.4

Belgium 18.4

Finland 16.5

France 14.6

Austria 13.8

Poland 13.8

Czec Republic 12.7

New Zealand 11.9

Denmark 11.3

Sweden 11.1

Norway 10.9

Slovac Republic 10.9

Iceland 10.3

Germany 10.3

Canada 10.2

United States 10.1