But....Japan has gun control? So how was the Prime Minister shot? Breaking news.....

[PoliticalChic]

Yep...the majority of those are suicides....but Faun won't let the truth get in the way of a good lie...

Meanwhile, Japan murdered 3 million innocent civilians during the war....unarmed civilians...

Also, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings.........and mass public shootings....as well as keeping the government from murdering millions of civilians...

And....

"In fact, what the media isn’t saying is that many of the fatalities in the Mass Shooting Tracker are actually gang-related – not acts of terrorism or irrational mayhem.



According to the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 12,272 deaths from gunfire in the US so far in 2015. But of these 12,272 deaths, 4,038 stemmed from an officer-involved shooting, 2,085 from a home invasion robbery, 1,755 from accidents, and 1,133 from self-defense.



The number of people killed in “mass shootings” to date in 2015 is 309 – but even these “mass shootings” include gang violence, robberies, and family murder-suicide incidents. As Mark Follman points out in the New York Times, “including them in the same breath suggests that a 1 am gang fight in a Sacramento restaurant, in which two were killed and two injured, is the same kind of event as a deranged man walking into a community college classroom and massacring nine and injuring nine others.”

When you eliminate incidents like gang shootouts, robberies and family murder-suicides, it turns out the number of “mass shootings” are actually far less than the media is claiming.

Mother Jones, that bastion of gun rights fanaticism, counts 73 incidents of mass shootings over the past three decades – roughly two a year."

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[Faun]

But it was completely out of context and irrelevant to whatever point you were trying to make.

When you include suicide numbers with homicide numbers, you are lying.

Except I didn't do that.

I compared total gun deaths with total gun deaths.

 

[martybegan]

Except I didn't do that.

I compared total gun deaths with total gun deaths.

Which is a useless comparison.

 

[Faun]

Which is a useless comparison.

LOLOLOLOL

 

[2aguy]

You are truly an uninformed moron.

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And?

Are improvised guns allowed in Japan now?

What kept him from taking a gun from a gun club.....murdering the staff?

 

[2aguy]

You picked on Japan because of 1 death to bolster your retarded notion that that should have never happened, and thus, America is right to go crazy with guns. You are a grade A idiot with honours.

We don't go crazy with guns.....the democrats just refuse to keep gun criminals locked up....why do you think that is?

 

[2aguy]

37% of American gun deaths are homicides. If people commit suicide, they hurt themselves.

No....that isn't true....suicide is more than that ........

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

37% of American gun deaths are homicides. If people commit suicide, they hurt themselves.

Yeah, so your 33,000 number you touted earlier is some serious BULLSHIT!!!

Of the 37% homicides, where do you think a MAJORITY of those are happening?

You don't know shit about our situation. You just want us to share in your misery of being a helpless, naked subject with no protection.

PASS

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You picked on Japan because of 1 death to bolster your retarded notion that that should have never happened, and thus, America is right to go crazy with guns. You are a grade A idiot with honours.

 

[Faun]

Yep...the majority of those are suicides....but Faun won't let the truth get in the way of a good lie...

Meanwhile, Japan murdered 3 million innocent civilians during the war....unarmed civilians...

Also, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings.........and mass public shootings....as well as keeping the government from murdering millions of civilians...

It's not a lie. You just don't like reality.

 

[2aguy]

It's not a lie. You just don't like reality.

Nope......suicides do not count....as Japan shows...

The majority of murder in the U.S. is criminals murdering criminals, and of the rest, most of the victims are the friends and family of the criminals caught in the crossfire.......

You have to include suicides to push up your numbers......otherwise you can't stampede uninformed people into giving you more power.

 

[Faun]

And....

"In fact, what the media isn’t saying is that many of the fatalities in the Mass Shooting Tracker are actually gang-related – not acts of terrorism or irrational mayhem.



According to the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 12,272 deaths from gunfire in the US so far in 2015. But of these 12,272 deaths, 4,038 stemmed from an officer-involved shooting, 2,085 from a home invasion robbery, 1,755 from accidents, and 1,133 from self-defense.



The number of people killed in “mass shootings” to date in 2015 is 309 – but even these “mass shootings” include gang violence, robberies, and family murder-suicide incidents. As Mark Follman points out in the New York Times, “including them in the same breath suggests that a 1 am gang fight in a Sacramento restaurant, in which two were killed and two injured, is the same kind of event as a deranged man walking into a community college classroom and massacring nine and injuring nine others.”

When you eliminate incidents like gang shootouts, robberies and family murder-suicides, it turns out the number of “mass shootings” are actually far less than the media is claiming.

Mother Jones, that bastion of gun rights fanaticism, counts 73 incidents of mass shootings over the past three decades – roughly two a year."

Are these horrific mass killings really happening 'daily'? | MercatorNet

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www.mercatornet.com

- See more at: Are these horrific mass killings really happening 'daily'? | MercatorNet

LOL

So we shouldn't count home invasions or accidents?

 

[Faun]

Nope......suicides do not count....as Japan shows...

The majority of murder in the U.S. is criminals murdering criminals, and of the rest, most of the victims are the friends and family of the criminals caught in the crossfire.......

You have to include suicides to push up your numbers......otherwise you can't stampede uninformed people into giving you more power.

I'm counting suicides because they're still gun deaths.

But even if you ignore suicides and police shootings...

In 2020 there were 45,222 gun deaths. 43% were not suicide or police related. That's still 19,445 people killed with a gun.

Japan had 10 that year.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I'm counting suicides because they're still gun deaths.

So, you're being dishonest?

 

[Faun]

So, you're being dishonest?

Nope, not dishonest. Japanese commit suicide too.

 

[JoeB131]

The cops and prosecutors in Japan have police powers that make you nuts….when you are arrested you are going to prison., you have no Rights….that is how they keep all crime low……

Then how is it that the Japanese only have to lock up 69,000 people and we lock up 2 million?

They stopped gun violence in Japan by locking up gun criminals for decades….here in the U.S. the democrat party judges and prosecutors release gun criminals no matter how often they are caught with or use illegal guns……….

Again, then how is it the Japanese only lock up 69K and we lock up 2MM?

This is how they control crime in Japan....you hate our police, you would really hate the Japanese police....

The Japanese police can stop you on the street at any time, for any reason....and if you even look at them sideways you are going to jail...and you will be held.

Then how is it that the Japanese only lock up 69K and we lock up 2MM?

 

[2aguy]

I'm counting suicides because they're still gun deaths.

But even if you ignore suicides and police shootings...

In 2020 there were 45,222 gun deaths. 43% were not suicide or police related. That's still 19,445 people killed with a gun.

Japan had 10 that year.

Yep.......criminals in this country murdered by other criminals....

Meanwhile, Americans used their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, mass public shootings, and kept the government from comitting mass murder.......

And the only reason that number is over 19,000 is a direct result of the democrat party policies that went into over drive in 2015....when the democrat party decided to destroy the police and release violent criminals over and over again....

Do you understand that up to 2015, our gun crime rate was going down? Our gun murder rate was going down?

Then the democrats decided attacking the police was a strategy, and releasing violent criminals was a strategy....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, forcing massive numbers of officers to retire or quit, and let the criminals know they didn't have to fear capture or prison....

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, no matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes......or they simply refused to charge criminals no matter how much evidence they had to their gun crimes....

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

 

[2aguy]

Then how is it that the Japanese only have to lock up 69,000 people and we lock up 2 million?

Again, then how is it the Japanese only lock up 69K and we lock up 2MM?

Then how is it that the Japanese only lock up 69K and we lock up 2MM?

How?

The police and prosecutors have almost absolute power......you hate our cops....imagine if you had Japanese cops....cops who could stop you in the street, enter your home, and search you whenever they wanted, for whatever reason they wanted.......and if they arrest you? You are going to jail and prison....you are not going to get released on bail for years.......

Not only that....they enter your home for yearly inspections......

Tell me this is what you want out of U.S. cops........

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.

 

[Faun]

Which is a useless comparison.

Yeah, if you don't want to avoid comparing total gun deaths to total gun deaths.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah, if you don't want to avoid comparing total gun deaths to total gun deaths.

The guy used a homemade shotgun that looked like a brick with two tubes on it. it just shows that if someone wants a gun, they will get a gun, even in Japan where most people don't want guns.

Now go to the US where many people want guns, and you would have underground machine shops spring up the second guns were made illegal, which is the only thing you can attempt to do if you want to supposedly eliminate the chances of crimes like this.

Until those machine shops start pumping out guns, of course.